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myLot reputation of 87/100. tzvetelina (405)   ranked 654 out of 3,703 in had children 5 years ago

I'm starting this discussion because of recent events - in our textbooks of Etics there is an explanation that only heterosexual relationships can exist.There's nothing mentioned for homosexuals.Do you think children should learn respect to them as normal human beigns? It's not that I'm against them, but what example do they give to the little ones?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 90/100. mistissa (1196)   ranked 870 out of 3,703 in had children   5 years ago

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myLot reputation of 87/100. Ravenladyj (19028)   ranked 40 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

Absolutely! I agree with everythign you said and as i mentioned in my response, I dont care for the whole "tolerate" thing either....


myLot reputation of 87/100. tzvetelina (405)   ranked 654 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

My opinion isn't important in this discussion,I just started it,I'm asking the question. By normal people I meant that I can accept them the way I accept everyone else,I didn't say they are mad or sick.Many people wondered what I mean by tolerance.Well in my country we're not tolerant that's the main problem.I knew it wouldn't be the same in yours but at least I tried to show what's the 'weather' like here.Do we tolerate their behaviour in public places and the effect they have on others - this is the idea.


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myLot reputation of 90/100. mistissa (1196)   ranked 870 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

there is no meaning to blue or purple just that no matter how people look or what s3x preference they have, people always deserve respect. And that is what we should teach our children

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2. myLot reputation of 95/100. rhinoboy (1353)   ranked 1,034 out of 3,703 in had children   5 years ago

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3. myLot reputation of 63/100. Latrivia (1976)   5 years ago

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4. myLot reputation of 84/100. bluewaves (2167)   5 years ago

well i dont know exactly what you mean by tolerate. i think we should accept gays as people too. but tolerate well i think it depends upon the person. if he wants to . even children make decision on their own. we cant actually see them who their friends are. so i dont think we should say its wrong to associate with them. but make friends withthem its okay. but thats it. especially they are children.

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5. myLot reputation of 87/100. Ravenladyj (19028)   ranked 40 out of 3,703 in had children   5 years ago

I think that children should be taught and raised to accept the g/l/b/t people just as they do anyone else...We are NO DIFFERENT to any hetero's OTHER THAN the fact that we have a different sort of relationship than the standard...but we arent aliens or less than or unworthy of kindness, respect, understanding, compassion, love etc etc..."Tolerating" IMO ISN'T enough.....I "tolerate" a lot of things but cant stand them at the same time...so to me to say the kids shoudl be taught to "tolerate" gays etc is more or less saying they should be taught to "put up with them" but not necessarily like them or be nice to them etc....Thats not right IMO..

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6. myLot reputation of 87/100. loolets (1332)   5 years ago

Ummmmm...tolerate? Sorry but there's nothing to tolerate? I don't understand the question at all. But okay...
There's nothing that needs to be 'tolerated' as they are just like us...

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7. myLot reputation of 92/100. melissaruth1 (3520)   ranked 617 out of 3,703 in had children   5 years ago

I believe and i teach my children, that even though we may not agree with someone elses life choices we have no right to judge or disrespect them. We all make choices in our lives that could make people look upon us in a negative way, do unto others as you would have done to you, that is what i teach my children

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8. myLot reputation of 93/100. pillusch (843)   ranked 861 out of 3,703 in had children   5 years ago

With all respect to homosexual people, they are not normal. Heterosexuality is the 'norm'. Now that having said, there is absolutely no reason NOT to respect them. Of course they deserve to be respected, like everybody else. And that's precisely what I teach my children. The fact that we are 'normal' doesn't make anybody who doesn't fall into that category less worthy of repect. Now, should it be dealt with in textbooks? No, why? Where do you want to draw the line. Why not include mixed-race marriages as well? See, there wouldn't be an end to it.


myLot reputation of 84/100. eden32 (2986)   ranked 671 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

When you say not normal & not the norm, do you just mean in the sense that they are not the majority? That's accurate & I don't have an issue with that; but if what you mean is abnormal as in they have a disorder or something along those lines, that doesn't seem right at all. Midgets are not the norm, blue eyes are not the norm, etc- but they're all valid & normal enough variations of the norm- kwim?
Why wouldn't mixed race marriages be normal & respectable? It should be a non-issue, no different than an exceptionally tall person marrying an exceptionally short person. Perhaps note-worthy in identifying the couple, but just not a big deal.


myLot reputation of 16/100. Sacrificialclam (4461)  5 years ago

I'm with Eden. Which definition of 'normal' are we using? Yours? Mine? Eden's? God's? My sister's?

You may not think that eating purple grapes is normal. I do.

I don't think anyone who eats seafood is normal. Come on....they poo where they and millions of other sea life creatures sleep! Nasty!


myLot reputation of 93/100. pillusch (843)   ranked 861 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

Look, first of all, I made it clear that I'm not against homosexuality or mixed-race marriage. Now, the definition of normal is pretty simple here (at leat I thought so): sexuality was given to men and to creatures in order to procreate. Two men or two women do not procreate. I don't care about political correctness, let's just call things by their name.


myLot reputation of 16/100. Sacrificialclam (4461)  5 years ago


"sexuality was given to men and to creatures in order to procreate"

Guess I'm not "normal." I'm not going to procreate. Ever. I dislike kids.


myLot reputation of 93/100. pillusch (843)   ranked 861 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

Look, I'm not normal, I'm 1.96 (or 6 foot 5). People point me out in the street and ask me stupid questions. But that's a different thing. I'm not normal because MOST people are smaller, the same as most people like kids. Why don't we take away the emotional conotation of 'normal'? That's what I did in my original response to that post, I talked about the 'norm', Is it the subject of homosexuality that makes people get worked up? Isn't it possible just to talk about it?


myLot reputation of 16/100. Sacrificialclam (4461)  5 years ago

Look, I was asking which definition of 'normal' to use.

To me, normal is child-free and free to do as I please, when I please.

To my sister, normal is two kids, diapers, formula, daycare and spaghetti O's.

To an engineer, normal is building construction, blue prints and suits.

THAT was my point. Which definition of 'normal' were you using that homosexuals are not 'normal.' I'm sure if you ask them, they are normal, I'm normal and yes, even you are normal by their standards.


myLot reputation of 87/100. tzvetelina (405)   ranked 654 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

Let me make this clear.Using 'normal' I pointed out that we may (the question was should we do this) shut our eyes and never see the difference between us.Is it that difficult?!The main point here is not why I used this word, which for me doesn't matter, but what should we tell children about homosexuals.How can we explain what types of people they are.


myLot reputation of 93/100. pillusch (843)   ranked 861 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

Why don't we all cool it a little bit (including myself) This is supposed to be fun, I guess we are here to meet new people,learn new things and, again, have some fun. There might be some homosexuals out there right now, reading this and having a ball, saying to themselves: What do THEY know. And they are probably right.


myLot reputation of 84/100. eden32 (2986)   ranked 671 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

I don't have a problem with your response. I was just looking for clarity.


myLot reputation of 16/100. Sacrificialclam (4461)  5 years ago

I was looking for whose definition of 'normal' is right. Is it yours, mine or the next person's?

As I said, what is normal for me might not be normal for you or your neighbor. We all have our different definition of normal and your post made it sound like we should all be using YOUR definition of normal. THAT was what I was implying.

Someone didn't take his medicine yesterday...


myLot reputation of 72/100. murciaman (324)   ranked 3,124 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

normality is not subjective as you seem to infer..it is objective....there is no other definition of normal other than what is expected to be normal in any given population i.e. the majority in any given population have one head so having one head is normal.....it doesnt matter how many times or how loud you shout....homosexuality is NOT normal...by telling your children homosexuality is normal you are PERVERTING them you are telling them it is acceptable behaviour....it is only acceptable in private between consenting adults...public displays of homosexuality (not love) are disgusting and abhorrent and my children will be taught that...by the way normal and not normal doesnt necessarilly mean good or bad and here is the problem for most people..


myLot reputation of 92/100. GlitterExplosion (298)  5 years ago

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myLot reputation of 92/100. GlitterExplosion (298)  5 years ago

Teacher = child.

Sorry for the typo.


myLot reputation of 72/100. murciaman (324)   ranked 3,124 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

it is not hypocritical at all.. we are talking about decency now...it is no more decent for a heterosexual couple to make out in public..again this should be in the privacy of their own homes ...in educating our children we should be able to explain in our and their good time not be put in a situation becasue of a public display of emotions etc...Daddy why are those men kissing?....it is normal and natural for people to defecate and urinate.....would you like to see it in public?? of course not..as i said before it is a question of decency and good behaviour..unfortunately todays sick society has the attitude of living for today and not giving a damn about other peoples feelings or opinions....


myLot reputation of 83/100. asgtswife04 (1532)   ranked 516 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

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myLot reputation of 87/100. loolets (1332)  5 years ago

BOTTOM LINE: There is no clear definition of NORMAL. Normal is a dangerous word to describe the majority. So save a headache and just use majority. :)


myLot reputation of 93/100. pillusch (843)   ranked 861 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

That's the smartest idea I´ve read in that thread, I'll do that in the future to save myself (and others, I guess) some headaches. Thanks

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9. myLot reputation of 84/100. eden32 (2986)   ranked 671 out of 3,703 in had children   5 years ago

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myLot reputation of 72/100. murciaman (324)   ranked 3,124 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

sorry ..you are much too generalistic..respect all elders...nonsense...there are all sorts of horrible and nasty people out there in the real world ..just becasue they are older does not command respect..teach your children to be tolerant and to beware at the same time..and give respect where it is due...


myLot reputation of 84/100. eden32 (2986)   ranked 671 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

That's essentially what I meant when I said, "unless they attempt to harm them". I suppose I could have been more detailed. I do think that we (child or adult) should first treat others with respect until they show that they don't deserve our respect. Most people, even if we don't agree with them in general, should be treated with respect.


myLot reputation of 72/100. murciaman (324)   ranked 3,124 out of 3,703 in had children  5 years ago

looks like we agree here..so there is some hope after all..lol...the problem we have in educating our children is all the outside influences on them that colur their development..peer pressure, tv, movies,books, pc games,mobile phones,music etc...we can only try our best but i fear we are fighting a losing battle..todays society is sick and getting sicker by the minute.....i really do fear for the moral fibre of our future generations.....

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10. myLot reputation of 95/100. violeta_va (2000)   ranked 1,060 out of 3,703 in had children   5 years ago

Kids should know of all the different types of relationship I agree with that. At what age???? I dont know that. I would not have a clue when kids can understand the whole concept of relationship and all that.

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