about vegetarian 'meat' ... do you think that it is still 'vegetarian'?  |
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Okay, this maybe new for those who are not vegetarian. I am not a vegetarian myself but I love vegetarian foods and sometimes I would rather have those than common foods because the taste is so special compared to common foods. However, I know some vegetarian restaurants or vegetarian food stalls in the traditional market in my area do have 'vegetarian meats'. Well, those are not real meats, they are made from certain ingredients that don't contain any meat at all ... but to my amazement, the taste were almost near the real meats. And to my curiosity, I wonder, they were even named with the 'origin' names like 'Peking ducks', 'Steam Fish', 'Crabs', etc. But they were all pure non-meats. But I wonder, if someone started becoming vegetarian, mostly either it was related with religious reason or health reason. And to those with religious reason becoming vegetarian, what do you think about vegetarian 'meat'? Is it not against the spirit of vegetarianism? After all, they are still named 'meat'. Or probably I have mistaken the meaning of becoming 'vegetarian'? Please share your thought. Many thanks! 
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1. painkiller77 (1322) | 4 months ago | if you consider being absolutely vegetarian, then it is an absolutely impossible one. you can not leave milk, cheese, butter and the like. they are derived from milk and so,should be included in non vegetarian or animal products. but yes, leaving out meat and the like can be a feasible idea. about the concept of vegetarian meat, you can have them as they are not prepared from animals. it is not against the spirit of vegetarianism. you eat for your stomach and never for your spirit. there is no such thing to worry about and feel guilty. go ahead and grab a bite. enjoy life.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | I thought vegetarianism was not against using animal products as long as we don't hurt nor kill the animals. I do know that milk is still allowed, but I might be wrong according to someone who responded it here: http://www.mylot.com/w/di... (the #10 responder). do you have anything to add?
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mimingsi (127) | 4 weeks ago | Being a "vegan" is being strictly vegetarian, i.e. you do not consume even animal products like honey, silk, or fur.
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2. desertdarlene (5655) | 4 months ago | I don't eat vegetarian full time, but I do eat vegetarian very often due to health reasons. I have never really been a big meat lover to begin with, so it's not a big step from me going from carnivore to vegetarian. I've had some of these meat substitutes and I'd rather eat the vegetables as they are. Some of these substitutes are pretty good while still staying pretty much veggies. Those gardenburgers are really good. Most of these things are too expensive for me. I'd rather cook up some beans or tofu for less than a dollar to to eat something that is disguised to be meat for five.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | and I was wondering if the "vegetarian meat" was to attract non-vegetarian people to start adopting the food and later to become a full vegetarian later when they could?
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3. deebomb (7009) | 4 months ago | Most of those vegetarian meats are made with wheat gluten. They are a called a transition food for those that want to be vegetarians but have a hard time giving up meat. Since the "meats" are still a vegetable I don't think that it going against ether religious or health reasons to use them. If I were to be a vegetarian for health reasons I would stay away from them because of all the additives that food companies put in them. Those additives are the killers in my opinion.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | I see, so there is still some not-safe 'ingredient' within such kind of vegetarian foods. I thought that all kind of vegetarian foods would be safe. so then, vegetables would still be safer to consume.:)
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deebomb (7009) | 4 months ago | Any time the food industry makes a prepared food they put flavor enhancer and preservatives in them and these are not always good for us in my opinion.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | yeah, that's why I mostly avoided those that I knew would surely have preservatives. here we still have traditional markets around and mostly we would pick fresh vegetables, and hope that the vegetables would also be safe from any insecticide or somekind like that.
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4. kangallo (1369) | 4 months ago | There is nothing called vegetarian meat. Meat is non-vegetarian. Non-vegetarian food is not so good for health whereas vegetarian food is good for the health. Vegetarian food will make you feel light.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | they just named it as "meat", but not real meat. someone said that the "meat" was made from gluten or something like that, which contained no meat at all. however, I just felt that the term "meat" itself was opposite to the spirit of vegetarianism, that's why I asked about it in the discussion.
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deebomb (7009) | 4 months ago | kangallo meat also means food or any thing we eat.
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| 5. bluebells_mercury (51) | 4 months ago | even if they are named so they are still made of vegetarian ingredients.chefs show their expertise in making them taste like real meats.nothing much. "Be vegetarian to save lives of other innocent creatures and to be healthy." it pains even for animals when they are killed just like how it pains for us. when every person puts themselves in the position of a lamb or a chicken or a goat and if they could realise the pain it causes then am sure noone would prefer non vegetarian foods. why to kill a life just for our taste buds?
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | well yes, that's why I asked about it. the term "meat" would always remind us about how the real meat origins from ... by killing the animals to take their flesh. the term "meat" itself is rather bloody, right? so how come a vegetarian kind of food has adopted the term for their menu? why not naming it to some other term of naming that contained no opposite feeling of vegetarianism?
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deebomb (7009) | 4 months ago | bongkarpasang meat also means food or any thing we eat.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | I see. thanks for adding the info. in our Asian term, the "meat" usually refers to flesh-made foods.
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6. lieanat (594) | 4 months ago | Well, I'm a meat lover. So, I really can't stand to become a vegetarian. I ever tried it once and just felt like if I want to take meat, it's far better to take the real one. Besides, the vegetarian meat sometimes is more costly than the real meat!!!
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | well yes, they are more expensive than real meat. I was wondering if these "vegetarian meats" were actually for meat lover in their transition to vegetarian?
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7. Hatley (12492) | 4 months ago | most vegetarian meats are made from soy beans, and are really excellent sources of protein which we must have for good health. this is not against any religion its just a way to help people to connect with soyfoods by making something similar in taste to some meats.we just have to read the label to see its all vegetable and as soy is good for you who cares about dumb definitions anyway. eating healthy is what its all about and thats 'all.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | well, they should have named the "meats" with other terms that were 'lighter', I mean, the term "meats" is still a bit "oww" for vegetarian animal lovers. because it still reminds them about how animals being killed for real meats.
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| 8. inapaulineabelon (74) | 4 months ago | What i discovered with some vegetarian meats is that they are really made up of eggplants. My boyfriend is fond of eating burger which has a patty made of vegetarian meat from one of the leading fastfood chains here in the Philippines. He says it is delicious and there's not much taste comparison if they compare it to pure meat patties. I don't think it is against vegetarianism because it is still made up of vegetable after all. Right?
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | but don't you think that the term "meat" itself is rather bloody? I think it still reminds us about the origin of the real meat, the killing of animals to get their flesh as meat. I just wonder why they should even take the term "meat" to name the menu. why not something else that sounds more vegetarian?
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9. Crystalxdr (162) | 4 months ago | Ok,this is my 142 post after not logging on mylot for almost 1 month for some personal reasons.Thank you for providing the oppontunity for me. First, I am not a vegetarian,and never think become one of it so far.Living without real meat sounds rather terrible to me because I am too slim to be a little bit fat in the coming days. It must be good for people to choose to be vegetarians.Not only for spirit peace,but also keep healthy.Why those vegetarian foods was called "meats"?In my opinion,it is a means of humor showed by all vegetarians.Through it, we get to know how enjoyable the vegetarians to life even without real meats. It is not so serious like you thought that the name would have a sort of disrespect to the spirit of vegetarianism,in fact,it has nothing to do with that spirit.Its main purpose is to make this world more colorful.
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | well, I have replied to someone in #10 response about why I thought it might be against the spirit of vegetarianism (especially for those in certain religious community). because meats, the real meats, we would always know that they came from animals that had been killed. there would be animals that were hurted and killed to get meats. so the word "meats" itself had contained this meaning and history. and I wonder about using it for vegetarian foods. I believe this word "meats" is no joke for animals, so I wonder if a real vegetarian person read the word "meats" in their vegetarian menu, what would make him/ her still pick up the menu? a craving for real meats that could never be fulfilled after becoming vegetarian? that's a big question mark for me.
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| 10. gypsy_owl (83) | 4 months ago | i think you've got the concept of vegetarianism wrong... its not that they are against "meat" specifically ... they are against using ANIMAL PRODUCTS....so if it is not derived from animals then its fine
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bongkarpasang (1134) | 4 months ago | when I read the word "meat", what I thought in my mind was that it was coming from animals that had been killed. that's how the meats come from right? so my assume about the using word "meat" against the spirit of vegetarianism is that because of that reason. a certain religious person told me that's the reason of her becoming vegetarian, because she didn't want animals get killed any longer. and by naming it "meat" and eating the "meat", even if it contains no meat, she said that then what's the point of becoming vegetarian from a religious side? she said that it proved that the person still craved for meats, but didn't admit it and instead made excuses for himself/ herself that the "meat" was not from the animals' flesh. animals products are allowed as long as we don't make them suffer. like milk is still allowed. I wonder if the real vegetarianism is like you said. I need the others share more opinion about it. thanks for responding.
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