A moment of sick satisfaction

Yes we can feel relief but not sick joy. I never felt happy at anyone who did me wrong at their death, on the contrary, I felt a justice was done but I also prayed for their soul.

We are in Satan's World and that is why people do what they do because it is difficult to walk in the path of righteousnuss because Satan is like a lion n the prowl devouring all he can in his path.

All of you who have done that, should get on your knees and ask God forgiveness and pray for their souls as they were prey of Satan.

Now, let's get something straight here.. THE WOMAN DID NOT PUT HER IN ANY PAIN...

Her husband TURNED TO ANOTHER WOMAN instead of her because she wasn't doing what she should have done.

Ask questions.

1..What was going on in their marriage
2..Why did he have to turn to another woman
3..What did she do for him to turn to another woman
4..Did she even try to remedy the problem and forgive herself for making it that he had to turn to someone else
5..What emotional distress was he going through after all it takes two and no man turns to another woman or woman to another man if they can turn to their partner for solac.

She is just as much to blame. Because you see..she doesn't say WHY HE HAD TO TURN TO ANOTHER WOMAN FOR*EMOTIONAL SOLACE*. What was she doing wrong to the point that he did that?

If he was still with the woman to the day she died..SHE WAS GIVING HIM WHAT SHE WASN'T ABLE TO GIVE him in their marriage.

So is the woman to blame? Absolutely not!!! So laughing a sickly laugh at her death is..Satan's way of a soul being his..and not the woman who died..but the one who is doing the laughing,

i think your being a bit harsh dancing feather sometimes a relationship breaks down simply because it does. Both parties can be working at it as hard as they possibly can but it just doesn't make any difference, now i don't agree with the laughing but i also don't agree that she should be blamed for her husband turning to another woman. Or anything to do with satan having her soul. Why is it that both women are blamed? yet so far the husband is allocated no blame! He ultimately decided to have the affair neither woman can force him to take that action thats a decision he made of his own accord and so had to deal with the consequences.
Every single human being is flawed thats why we have to understand and appreciate each other, agree to disagree not attack. The discussion isn't about why the marrige broke down, it's about her response to the womans death. Foxy admits that shes not proud of it but shes being honest, she asks do you think shes a bad person for her reaction? and have you ever had feelings such as this?. So lets answer the questions and not get involved in what did or didn't happen with her marrige as that is not the discussion topic.

I am not being harsh..I am a realist..not a dreamer. I do blame the husband and said so..but there are two to tango..therefore did foxy have any blame? She is the only one who knows the truth.

When she wrote..he searched emotional solace with another woman..that says alot. It says that they were at a point of no more communication, therefore he had to turn to someone else.

So why did he have to turn to another woman for*emotional Solace?

It was absolutely not the woman whom she lays out as a bar hopping tramp who abandaned her son etc.

Usually when a man leaves for another woman, he doesn't take lower but equally or better.

So it makes my imagination work on what foxy is for her husband to leave for the bar hopping man tramp.

There is more to the story than what we read.

Like I said..I would love to talk to her husband and find out what he has to say about his town tramp he married. Doesn,t say much for Foxy now does it.

My mother always said, there are always two sides to a story and to hear both sides and then make up your mind.

So until I can't get her husband's side of the story..I am sticking to what I think.

my husband didn«,t leave me for worse. He left me because I couldn't give him a child. She was just as good as I was and no way would I call her anything because my husband turned to her.

He made a choice, he wooed her until she fell in love with him. She became pregnant and so we divorced and he married her.

Will I*sickly laugh* and dance if she died. Would I spread on here what she was etc.. NEVER ever would I do that..because I am not that kind of vindictive person and I never blame anyone for what happens to me because whatever happens I am in a way or entirely responsible.

I couldn't bring to term a child for my husband..so in a way I am responsible that he left. No way is the woman he married responsible at all.

He husband made a choice and why he made that choice..only he can tell us and am sure curious to know why he took such a terrible person that Foxy makes her out to be.

Foxy's ex husband did not marry the town tramp. It was said specifically that the relationship lasted for about a month.

To be honest how can you say that the other woman was not responsible for some of the pain? Shame on you!!! She was fully aware that this man was married! She even made phone calls to his home and found it adviseable to call his wife names because he was cutting the lawn. The "tramp" made the decision to continue being snot faced about the whole thing! Why could she not have said "you are married come see me when the divorce is final"?

This event occured 2 weeks after I gave birth. Mothers out there I'm sure completely understand where my priorities were at that time and fathers know how easy it is to feel neglected. Mature father do the right thing and understand but immature fathers have a tendency to turn to the first woman who gives them attention. They worked together, she had freedom, when he spent time with her he no longer felt like a married father. No, I couldn't give that to him because I was at home recovering from childbirth and taking care of our 2 small children.

Foxy don't even dignify the response the discussion should not be focusing on your marriage and what did or didn't happen or who is or isn't to blame that wasn't why you started to discussion. You wanted to know if other people had felt this way and whether they thought you were a bad person. It's gone completely off topic and i don't think it's very fair, i certainly wouldn't want people commenting on my husband and my relationship. At the end of the day what happened berteen you teo happened and it's no one elses business. In answer to your questions no i do not think you a bad person for laughing but i do think that it's something thats obviously still causes you a great deal of pain/upset otherwise you wouldn't have reacted so strongly. I haven't had feelings like this but i have never just had a baby and had my husband sleep with another woman either. We are all shaped by our experiences as i said i don't agree with the laughing but can sympathise with your situation. I hope you get the closure you need and are able to move on with your life.

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come on people we need to get off the marriage subject and just answer the questions from the discussion lets not talk about the marriage aspect from now on... just answer her questions nothing else

If the courts did nothing it is because it wasn't true what she was being accused of.

You are not telling the whole story. Would it be you doing the accusing even if it isn't true so to get revenge on her.

I think she is not to blame that you have an ex husband.. YOU Are as much to blame as he is and maybe you are the main cause that he left you.

I have never blamed any woman for my break ups..why..because I am responsible to whatever happens to me and I never blame anyone else.

When my husband left me for another woman, I didn't blame her..but him. He regrets it now very much and says he did me wrong. She has divorced him. You see he lied to her about me and she found out years later that I was a very good wife and he lied to her and only married her because she was pregnant.

So you see I don't believe what people say about their husbands or wives unless I can talk to the other and see what really went on in the marriage.

Like my mom used to say..when you don't sleep in another one's bed..keep quiet. You cannot judge unless you were present in their lives to know the truth.

Wishing death upon a person will condemn you to eternal damnation and she may end up being the one with eternal life and then who will be laughing? Satan because he has your soul.

by the way..if the courts didnot allow you to have your children, then there is a good reason why they are not..Yes?

Who do you think you are anyway, dancing feather? Who died and made YOU the authority on righteousness? You are easily the most judgemental person I have seen in a long time at mylot, I suppose you think you are morally superior to everyone? Are you completely free from sin? I doubt it.

Dancing-

I have no idea who or what you are, but I spend $20,000 trying to get the courts to listen to my childrens crys. I left my ex husband, I forced him to move out of the house we shared. If you had children which I doubt since you are so high and mighty, and one of them happen to be autistic then maybe just MAYBE you might understand. My son was picked up and shook by this so called woman, and she was kind enough to him to leave finger print bruises on his arms. Oh and this all happened because he accidently knocked the vaccum over and it hit her toe, and even if he did do it on purpose does that give her the right to shake a child? A special needs child at that??? NO not for one second does it. And I have no idea what country you live in but there are child abuser living all over the United States that abuse children and the courts usually do not get involved until after the child dies, look it up do some research before you start jumping to conclusions. And since you are so freakin smart and know everything why would the courts issue an order stating that the woman was not allowed to hit, spank or inflict any other form of corpal punishment if they did not believe what I was saying???? You sure are a great example of the term ignorance is bliss!!

Well my dear if you spent sooooo much money and still the courts didn't believe you then I rest my case.

Oh dear I do have a child with epilepsy and one that is also mentally retarded because of the thalomide pill.

So because a child has special needs doesn,t mean you treat them differently. Of course autism is something I wouldn't wish on any child but my two kids are also special needs kids.

I treated them normally, one is doing fine and one is having still alot of problems.

Caring for a child with autism is no easy task and can be very trying.

If she is such a tramp as you make her out to be..how come the courts agreed to let her care for your kids?%

You do paint a very disturbing picture of her life and what she was.

How come then if the courts and am sure you would have laid out her live in the courts..that they still allowed them to be with your husband and her if you were the better parent..but it is very unsual for courts not to let the children to the Mother.

If the courts gave the right to your husband and her it is because the kids would have a better life than with you. After 20,000 dollars my dear of spending in the courts and you didn't win..as I know because I was a paralegal and went to divorce courts..so you cannot fool me.

People in here are not reading inbetween the lines nor questioning why if she was such a tramp that you were not given custody.

The marks on his arms may have not been her at all as they can prove how the marks were made and even why.

Give me your husbands phone number or e-mail..I would like him to come into this discussion and tell us his side of his story.

I am very sure my dear foxy and you are not smart like a fox. that is one thing you wouldn't want.

I double dare you to give me his phone number. Of course I will check to make sure you gave me the right person and not someone who pretends to be your husband..besides just asking him certain questions..being used to doing that..I would know immediately if he was your husband or not.

So, my dear..put your money where your mouth is because I am not buying that she was the town tramp and that the kids were given to your husband and her with that kind of reputation.

I find strange that the kid is with the grand parents and yours were with her.

So lets see what hubby has to say..sorry your Ex..

«you have a copy of that order that she wasn't allowed to do that? if not get it and send me a copy in the email..I don't believe words..I believe documents.

Now again why then wasn't the kids given back to you? If I was a judge and it was true what you are saying and proven..the kids would have been sent back to you.

Now explain why they were not..miss high and mighty..lol..

They were not given back to you because you were not judged to be a fit mother..right!!

Read my original post crazy, I never called the woman a tramp, a child abuser yes a tramp NO. She wasn't around when we were married. You sound like a very scorned woman, I am not I just don't like children abused in any way shape or form. I made my ex huband move out because I was tired of cleaning up after him, neither of us were involved with other people, neither one of us cheated during our marriage. We have shared parenting, and have done so since the day he moved out. We got married to this "woman" several years after our divorce, I am not sure what year, but I know that my children started coming home from his house with bruises in 2004. I am not painting an picture of the "woman" I am stating that the woman has abused my children, and now they have their own children together and I thought that it might make her a better parent but it didn't, my son came home last week crying because she broke a wooden spoon over his new little brothers butt, the new little brother turned 2 in June. Oh by the way my son is 12. This was not an issue with the original divorce proceedings it was an a different motion filed five years later. Shoot I wish it was part of the original divorce because attorny fees were a lot cheaper then. I am not trying to "fool you" I didn't invite you into this discussion you made it your business to butt into something that didn't concern you at all.

I am not sure what your defination of "treating children normally" but shaking children of any age as a form of disipline is not normal. Go to any children's services website and they will tell you to never shake children/babies/toddlers.

All divorce and domestic relations paperwork is public record, go to the courthouse and get my info. It's in Toledo, Ohio.

dancingfeather I find your response to be appalling!!
You my dear are so the most judgemental of all!

Remember karma? It will come back to bite you in the butt as well. You are not immune to it one little bit.

Thanks boppiedog I really think that the woman is crazy though. I like how she twisted everyone post's around to make it into something that was never said. I am usually all nice but after someone twists my words watch out lol. I was appaulled that she would ask for my ex's phone number or email address that is something that is completely non of her business. Even though I hate his wife doesn't mean that I want some crazy being able to find the house that my children live in half of the month.

You are very welcome Zephyr!

This one is pretty goofy! I cannot believe that she has made herself this martyr and come in here to judge the way that she has. God only knows that I have had a few of these nasty thoughts of revenge. Maybe that should be an interest group for yourself, foxy and I to start up. I bet it would be a popular one at that.

Foxy if you are still reading these posts. Please know that you are not alone with your feelings.
I can relate to you. Is thoughts of revenge or even just the evil giggle the right thing...maybe not. But I'm human and certainly not without fault. We do love you and if a biblethumper out there thinks that we are bad and going to hell...then so be it.

biblethumper is the best term with that crazy nasty scorned woman! Those are the types that are always looking over the fence to see what their neighbor is doing wrong while their own family is falling apart.

I think that all of the break ups that she has had is because she is simply a bytch.

I don't know if there is a word that quite describes her in the english language yet.

I simply cannot get over he rantings. But I did find earlier in the discussions that she claims that her husband left her because she could not give him a child. So he went out and found a girl that could. All before they got divorced even. But yet she says that she has the child with Epilepsy and another with mental retardation. I guess that could have all happened by miracle.
But she says that she is to blame that her husband went out and found someone...all because she was unable to give him a child.

Oh zephyr I just don't understand. I believe that in a marriage that breaks up due to an unfaithful spouse...some of the responsibility falls on the outsider as well. Do they have morals? Can they not see right from wrong?

Damn - where do they issue staight jackets from?

lej, I just ordered a case of them they should be arriving soon. We just need to try and keep the sanity until they get here. Then we will build the padded room!!

No kidding (the straitjacket question) lol.

The courts are such a strange animal, they promise justice but I believe it is only meted out half the time, if that. It could be closer to a quarter. There's so much red tape, especially with child custody and help for families. Kids who need support don't get any monetary help from some absent parents, they run and hide in order to avoid having their wages garnished. Some kids don't see their other parent because the one they live with and the 'new' one get in the way of visitation. Some people give up custody to help provide the best life for their child and then they cannot get it back! I feel so bad in situations like that because they are being loving and selfless in order to not disrupt their child and take them from a nice home, or their school and friends, but then they end up having to fight with the other parent to even see them. I have two friends who are still dealing with aftermath from this, and it's been YEARS. Their children were young school age and now they are nearly adults. It doesn't make any sense, justice is very much a perspective thing.

Right about now, biblethumpers make me want to cry and dance and commit homicide all at once . This thread title (and the posts therein) have nothing to do with the bible so it makes me chuckle that somebody of course had to inject religion into it.

All of your comments are too funny! You should go to dancing's page and look at some of her other comments they put she needs a straight jacket.

Zephyr, I am sorry to hear what you have been through with the respect of your kids. The courts are not always fair and just, and it makes it even harder if the kids can't talk against her out of fear or what have you, it is also bad that your ex isn't standing up for his own kids in this.

Back to the issuse however, Dancing can't even keep the discussion straight, if you look at her own response, she took from your response and atributed it to Foxy, and tried to make her case stronger against Foxy. This is not a "normal" person we are dealing with. I haven't had the time to go through all of the responses yet, so I am running a bit behind. From what I can see she is using this discussion to make herself feel better, and is trying to be high and mighty. She wants to use this to trash Foxy for whatever reason and it sickens me to no end. I wish I could copy paste and made it VERY clear to her what she is doing, and how wrong she in in her assumptions.

She is all over this portion of the discussion. Foxy doesn't need to feel guilty for the way she feels, as she as well as all of us are only human. She wanted someone to validate her feelings and some people just got on their pulpit and decided that they were God and started passing judgement. I say those who live in glass houses... I live every day with the guilt of allowing myself to start shared parenting with my ex, and I surely do not need that crazy dancing woman acting like an idiot when she doesn't know all of the facts, and honestly neither does foxy. Little did I know that I would be jumped all over from Ms. High and Mighty for expressing that we are human and all had have some type of revenge feelings toward another person.

I understand that completely Zephyr, and if you look at what I have said to her you will see that I have been trying to explain that to her, The problem I am running into beside the fact that there is no talking sense into someone like her is a matter of time right now. If this was Friday I would have all the time in the world. Because of work Etc, I haven't really been able to follow as much as I would like to.

And i do hope that you can eventually work out your situation as well. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Thank you Erilyn, I think you could spend a month trying to talk to dancing but, I don't think it would do any good she apparently doesn't really read who said what because I see in her other posts on different comments she has Foxy and me confused. I think that the person above you summed it up with "complete moron".

I think you are right Zephyr, it's like trying to talk to a brick wall with that one. Even my 15 yo daughter said and I quote "that lady needs to get a life and stop trying to sound like she is better than anyone else. After all she is sitting in front of her computer posting just like everyone else, if she was SOO much better, then why would she even bother responding to it and making herself look stupid?"

Is kinda sad that a 15 year old can see it better than a supposedly GROWN woman does don't you think?

Completely!

How can you say that the other woman had no part in this??

She knew that this man was married! She called him at home and called his wife names for Gods sake!

Yes, but she still wasn't the one who had a committment to anyone. She didn't cheat on you, he did.

Anyway, I see you've managed to have an argument with Zephyr about it as well so there's no point in trying to convince me.

I haven't had an arguement with anyone.

dancingfeather was the one that was attacking zephyr my friend...not me.

Oh and by the way they call girls like that homewreckers.

Does she not have morals that she knows right from wrong? She took a stance and willfully got between a husband and a wife.

Ooops, sorry, yeah, you're right

I still don't agree though.

I've been happy to get revenge on people who've hurt me but I've always been taught that the best form of revenge is success.

Whether I do it directly or indirectly, I always get my revenge, but I couldn't be happy that someone had died and left behind an 11-year-old son

No problem louise!

So I guess we can say that we agree to disagree that "the other woman" was not at fault. No big deal that is what MyLot is all about.

But notice that I said nothing about that little boy. I feel for him. He was put into a situation that would scar him for the rest of his life. I hope to God that the family that he has can give him the support and guidance that he needs to grow up to be strong in every possible way. He has a long road ahead of him.

At least you realise that

The 'other woman' is more at fault than the husband, although both of them are at fault. Boppie was right in calling her a 'homewrecker'. She KNEW he was married. She WORKED with him. She called the house and then called his wife awful names because she wouldn't go get him to come to the phone. If some fluffy little stupid homewrecking chick called MY house and asked for MY husband, I'd send the police after her on some sort of assault charge lol.

You bet she knew better. You bet she knew EXACTLY what she was doing too. I have no sympathy or pity or anything for people like this. If you have the nerve to go after somebody who is married, unless the person is unhappily married and getting out of the marriage or is being abused or something, then you deserve whatever happens as a result either of karma or the spouse of the person you're flirting with coming after you with a shotgun.

No, they're both at fault but the husband more so than the other woman.

Like I've said three times, she's not the one who cheated!

Yes, she knew he was married and yes she deserved everything that came to her, but still she's not the one most at fault.

You get where I'm coming from?

If she hadn't tried to go after a married person by tempting him to come out and party instead of tend to his home life (19 year old husbands have got to be impressionable, men mature later than women), it would be a moot point. I'm not saying he isn't at fault, he IS, but she started it.

He has free will, surely?

Dancing feather,

You just told us why Her and her first husband broke up does this also apply to you and your first husband? Was it your fault your husband turned to another woman? Lady you need to get that saw log out of your eye before you start helping others to get the little splinter out of theirs. This is one of the biggest problems in our Christian world. If I had to live with the attitude you have then I wouldn't be a Christian. You need to ask God to give you a better understanding and a little more love for your fellow man. One of the big problems I have with most Christians is they are too quick to condemn others for doing the same thing they are.

DancingFeather, I see you are all over this discussion leaving your self-righteous comments in as many places as you can.
I suppose you are completely free from sin in thought and in deed so you feel comfortable throwing stones?

Trust me I am no way perfect. Acutually a sinner who has to ask forgiveness all the time because I sometimes sin without thinking about it like saying a swear word sometimes when something happens and have to say..sorry please forgive me.

Well, actually my ex told me later after he left, that I wasn't to blame, you see I kept losing our babies, I had 3 of my own he adopted. We wanted one but I kept losing them. So he turned to a woman who could give him one and then years later..he said he was a fool that he had the best woman and had 3 adopted kids that were his kids even if he didn«,t make them. so no it wasn't my fault and neither hers..She gave him what I couldn't a child..actually 3 of them and they are divorce.

I was truly sad when I was told they were divorced because of the children.

If she died I would never laugh at her..there are 3 kids that would be left without a mother. No matter who or what she is..she is the one who gave them life.

Hey discussions are made to be answered..and if I am all over the place it is my right to do so.

Being righteous..nope..being logical and also am a loving person. You must really be sick yourself if you are not touched by a person dying the way the woman did and left a kid behind on top of it and also DEFAMING the dead woman who cannot come on here and say exactly why the husband turned to her..especially Foxy makes her to be out to be a tramp and even worse..so what does that say for foxy if the husband left her for someone like that?

So you see her husband turned to that woman for emotional solace as Foxy says..because she couldn't give it to him.

It's just like your dog..feed it, care for it, it will stay..but if you don't and the neighbour starts doing what you should be doing..one day your dog doesn't come back.

I will never be in agreement with anyone that does what she does. It has nothing to do with religion. It is illogical to even think or act like that. It is that act of a sick mind.

Am I judging..nope, just telling it just as it is. Sick to laugh at someone's death, especially when a child is left MOTHERLESS.

Do I believe what she says about the woman..nope..why because the woman is DEAD and cannot defend herself so Foxy can say anything..and SHE IS JUDGING THE WOMAN..so don't you think saying I should take the straw out of my eye..you and whoever should also so it?

I do have love for my fellowman..but not for one who laughs with a sick laugh..at someone's demise.

Actually I pity foxy and feel sorry for her because the dead woman's troubles are over..while foxy will spend her life always mad at at a dead woman and keep laughing and very HAPPY she is dead.

She said it herself..he turned to another woman for emotinal solace..so that says it all.

Actually, I would love to have a conversatin with Foxies husband as I always like to hear both sides of the stories and I am sure it will not be exactly all that Foxy says. It never is.

You see it is easy to come on hear and say just anything..but I wonder how her husband would answer if he came on here.

Hey ex husband of Foxy..come on in and tell us Why u had to turn to another woman.

You really need to take a look at all the comments you've left on this discussion and how judgemental they are. Foxy only asked two questions at the end of her discussion and that's what this discussion is about.

None of us know her life, we have had glimpses of it, but we don't know what she's been through so please let it go. You have made your point/s very loud and clear.

I answered comment as I saw it. Nothing jugemental at all. If only those who agree with her then something is wrong.

When you write things in here, you got to expect people to speak their mind and not pat your head and agree when you laugh .*with a sick laugh* at someone who died and blame her for your divorce and then defame her and lay out the dead woman's life.

It is none of anyone's business to know what the dead woman's life was ..and she is dead and cannot tell us if what Foxy said about her is true.

So you agree with her about defaming the woman..not only*sickly* laughing at her death but also talking and am sure exagerated who she really is.

She accuses the woman as it was her fault without first looking at why her her husband turned to a woman whom she discribes worse than the town tramp. Well, if her husband did that, it gives me a pretty good idea what Foxy is..or was.

My husband when he left me ..he didn't leave with the town tramp, she was a very nice woman actually and she gave him children I couldn't give him.

I was terribly hurt but I didn't rave and rant and say sickly stuff as Foxy does..read on what she says.

I didn't blame the woman..for stealing my husband..MY HUSBAND IS THE ONE THAT WENT LOOOOOOOOOKING.. as all men do when they are not getting what they want at home.

So foxy had absolutely NO RIGHT TO LAUGH and brag about it on top of it and she still is very happy that she is dead..she doesn«,t give a dam about the motherless child.

So if it is considered judgemental that I don't agree the way she is talking..then so be it.

«you are right madmommy..I will let it go because there is more than meets the eye and no need to be making her earning more money on this ..sick discussion. and that is no laughing matter.

DancingFeather, after raeding all this you've written all over thius discussion, I've a pretty good idea why your husband left you. I couldn't tolerate your crap either.

Dancing, I have seen your comments on this discussion, and you are great at quoting certian parts of the bible you feel appropriate, yet you miss the bigger picture. You sit here and judge Foxy saying it had to be all her fault. Yet later on you say that you have had men leave you, so what does that say about you? You say that they have said that you were the best thing that happened to THEM. So it seems that it has happened to you many times. What did you do wrong for THOSE MEN not (man) to leave you?

You are so quick to jump to the conclusion that it was all Foxys Fault. She has stated that she had small babies, so who is to say that the reason he wanted to go somewhere else is because he felt that she was paying too much attention to the little ones and didn't feel that he was getting enough attention? Why instead of going somewhere else did he not talk to his wife?

For you to sit here and judge and say that she was not a good wife, you have no idea what was going on at the time. She has EVERY right to feel the way that she does and for you to say that because she felt that way she is a bad person and caused the demise of her marraige is very narrowminded.

You say you yourself have sinned, and you have to ask for forgivness all the time. If you are such a rightous person then how can you come here and say the things you have? How can you try to be holier than thou?

You say throughout this discussion is is God's place to judge, and God says to forgive, so how is it that you come here and instead of being a forgiving person and letting it go you have decided to tell Foxy that it is all her fault? It is also human nature given to us by GOD that gives us the feelings we have. so how is it so bad that she expressed those feelings and was brave enough to tell people about it?

Is adultry not also against God's word? So why not condem those that commited it instead of the woman that it was done to? If you ask me it is more about you being high and mighty because you disagree with how she feels. And if that is me being judgemental let me use one of your own phrases it is the way I feel I am not judging you just telling you how I feel about it.

Hyprocy is just as bad.

"Judge not lest you be judged" "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Feather, just remember the world encompasses more than just YOUR WORLD. Ok, so the Bible's standard is this and that. Just dandy for you. This may not apply to Foxy or others in this thread. Therefore, it is irrelevant. I disagree that it's only his fault. It is more the woman's fault than the husband's. She knew he was married. She kept with it anyway. What a crime it is to take a husband away from a wife who just had a baby. Shameful. Much much worse than being glad for a split second that she met an untimely end, ten years later.

you really make me laugh. Always blaming the*other* woman. The man is supposed to be the caretaker, he is supposed to be the*strong* one.

He also made*vows* through whatever happened in his marriage, he was supposed to*stay* stick it out.

He didn't. The woman he married isn't to blame, HE MADE THE DECISION, HE CHASED HER, he went out AND SEARCHED FOR SOMEONE ELSE for*emotional solace* as Foxy said it because they were not getting along him and her to the point he had to go and look elsewhere.

Foxy is just as much to blame as HE IS. But the point is why I am sticking out for the woman is because SHE IS DEAD and can't speak for herself.

What I don't take on top if it, is that Foxy is DEFAMING the woman. It is not enough she is dead and has left her child motherless, she is being dragged through the mud. Foxy has no respect for the Dead. So Foxy deserves no respect from me.

Anyone who laughs a ..*sick* laugh at someone's death is*sick* themselves and not to right in the mind themselves and maybe someone will dance on her grave when she dies.

Foxy wrote thinking we would all agree with her. Well, I don't, absolutely do not agree with her and yes anyone who does that isn't that good of a person. I'm sure she probably would do the same to anyone who has crossed her in her life.

She talks against the woman, dispicking her as a tramp, bar hopping floozie more or less. Well, she should be ashamed to do that to a woman that is dead. And if her ex took turned to a floozie and on top of that married her..what does it say for Foxy that her ex choose someone not of her standard but lower than her.

Usually a man chooses better, not worse, plus the Floozie..gets to care for Foxies kids and not Foxy..why is that? Why does the Floozie accept to take in the kids if she is such a tramp.

She say she spent 20,000$ in court costs to get her kids. Hah, like I believe that. And she was denied them each time. You see I read between the lines. I don't take for face value what someone says against someone. As there is more going on why her ex chose a tramp to marry than come back to foxy..because he didn't just the next day decide to leave foxy and marry the tramp.

So since the tramp is dead and can't defend herself..I'm doing it. I know there is more to her ex leaving than she says. I divorced and we divorce amicably, I couldn't give him kids and he turned to another woman, she fell pregnant, and so he married her.

Sure I was devastated! Did I blame her? No I didn't. It was him who chased her not her chasing him. It was my husband to blame and I sure wouldn't*laugh a devil's laugh if she ever died because that child..now they have 3, would be motherless.

Even though they had kids my ex is now divorced with her and the only satisfaction that I got out of it, is that he told my son..I had 3 he adopted when we married but for some reason I couldn't get anymore since I had cancer when I was pregnant of my triplets and they had to be aborted because we were going to die together, so since they couldn't save their lives the doctors saved mine because I had 3 other kids who the oldest was only 6, he said that later he regretted having done what he did because he had adopeted my kids, he had already 3 and that I was a terrific wife but his wanting a child of his own so bad had clouded his judgement. When my son told me that, I smiled and was happy to hear that but sad that 3 more children would suffer because the daddy left.

I could have talked against that woman, but I didn't because I blamed him. She didn't chase him, he chased her, he told her whatever to convince her to be with him. So do I agree that laughing at someone who dies and leaves a child motherless or even if she didn't have one..NO WAY..

So no, I don't agree with foxy or anyone who laughs at a woman who marries someone's ex and then dies on top of it a horrible death. Foxies kids were used to her..so she was their step mother and now they are without her..no one is thinking of the kids and much less foxy.

Did foxy say ever..great now I might be able to get my kids back..nope..all she could think of was laughing*sickly* at the woman's horrible death. Can we all imagine how foxies kids must be devastated that she is dead. Even if she wasn't their mother the*tramp* did have the heart in the right place and accepted a man with kids.

So was this woman what foxy says she is..absolutely not. If she was no way the courts would have allowed her to care for the kids and yet chose not to give them to foxy..why?

If foxy hadn't dragged the woman through the mud, my answer would have been different. It's easy to drag her through the mud..she is dead and cannot speak for herself. It is also*sick* to talk against a dead woman.

Like I said..I would love to talk to her husband and hear his side of the story and ask why he choose a bar hoppying floozie over foxy.

So do I care what people say about me..absolutely not. What I care is that I talk for that person who has died and has left kids motherless because even though they were not hers.

Anyone here who agrees that it is okay to laugh at someone who dies and on top be dragged through the mud are not very nice persons themselves.

OK first of all, you need to keep your discussion straight. Foxy did not say that he married this woman, nor did she ever say that she lost her kids. She had also stated that she had a 2 week old baby at the house when he and this woman had their affair. The "Emotional solctice" that he was looking for probably had a LOT to do with the fact that she not only had a small child to take care of but also a newborn baby. He probably felt a bit neglicted because she would have been exhausted. So where exactly is Foxy's fault in him cheating on her?

You keep adding and adding on to what you are saying is Foxy's downfall in this, but you are not keeping things straight. If you are going to comdem someone in a discussion please AT THE VERY LEAST make sure you know what you are talking about. You can read back through this discussion to find out your own errors in that.

You keep saying Foxy is lower than the woman he cheated on her with, however what then does that make you? According to you, you have been cheated on and left several times but none of that is your fault. How can you blame Foxy if you can't accept your own mistakes?

You keep saying that she is not a good person and neither is anyone here that defends her. Why because she was honest about something she felt? I'm sorry I felt the same way when I was told that someone that had hurt me VERY badly died. When I was told of the death I could not help but to smile, and had a very hard time not laughing at the funeral becasue of the people that were saying what a good person he was. The man in question molested me when I was 9. Does it make me a bad person that I feel that he got what he fully and rightfully deserved? Does it make me a bad person that I take solice in the fact that he is probably being punished in hell for what he did?

There are some wounds that time does not heal, you have no idea the amount of pain that Foxy was dealt by this woman calling her house and calling her names etc. SHE HAD A NEWBORN BABY on top of having to deal with the fact that her husband was cheating on her.

You want to stand high and mighty in judgement on her without knowing the amount of extreme pain that she had had to endure. You have no idea if she continued to have nightmares from it, or if the woman taunted or flaunted that fact to her every time she saw her. So before you sit here in judgement walk a mile in her shoes.

DancingFeather - I think you are a complete moron. First you say the Bible says to forgive, then you "okay" adultery - so what part of the Bible do you read? Or is it from you're own warped point of view.

I agree with so many others here that your elevator doesn't go to the top. You've got the six pack but lacking the plastic thingy to keep them all together. It makes sense know that you've gone into a legal profession. They all pretty much talk out of the sides of their mouth. Say a lot of words, contradicte themselves and in the end have no more valued information or respect from the person they are supposted to be helping.

You've choosen wisely - I think you'll fit right in.

ERilyn-She definitely has things mixed up! My kids had nothing at all to do with any of this! I would say a lot more but I'm just trying to rate and move on.

I understand that Foxy hun, and I am trying my best to let her know that she needs to reread everything and learn for herself what it is that she is confusing. I wish I had more time and could copy paste, but I can't do that yet. (you would think after a year and a half and as active as I am!! lol) One of these days though!!

Don't let people like this get under your skin sweetheart. Those of us that know you and are your friends know you better than this. Can't help that someone like this goes off the deep end.

Feather, you need to keep your (lying) stories straight. Why in the world are you confusing information you got from zephyr with information you are ASSUMING about foxy? Also, why is it wrong to call a spade a spade if somebody is dead? There's no shame or harm in stating that someone is a tramp or a floozy if indeed that's what they were when they were alive - after they are dead. People don't suddenly transform into a NICE PERSON upon death. I've never heard of such a thing. I know people attempt to focus on the good things about a person after they die, say for a ceremony because nobody wants to hear about how they were part of a gang or caused the breakup of relationships or abused their children or other alarming things the person may have done during their lifetime. This isn't to make light of those things or pretend the person didn't do them either.

Relationships and marriages come apart for many reasons, you can't even always blame either person for it. Communication breakdowns, immaturity of the couple, stresses brought on by family members, financial crisis, disease or health situations all can contribute. I'm not sure why I'm bothering talking to you anyway but perhaps other people in the thread can appreciate this.

That my friend is not being honest..what she wants is APPROVAL of her hating the woman to the point of laughing like a sick person..she says it herself a* sick laugh*..yep just like the devil right when he laughs

She is NOT looking for approval, she is simply telling the truth about something that she felt. dancing you have done NOTHING but take this discussion and twist it to your own ends for whatever reason. Just drop it already, you are only making yourself look bad.

How can you call her a tramp. That means you were your husband's tramp before he left you.

Now, why did he leave you and find someone with whom he is happier? Ah..yes..so easy to accuse others and not pull the straw out of your eye.

You are also responsible if he left you. No dog leaves his home if he is well cared for and happy.

I would love to talk to your husband and his tramp to see if she is one and if your husband is a pimp or is it just you saying that because you were not able to keep him.

I never blame anyone but my exes..the women had no part in it..after all..if I was all that woman..they wouldn't have fell in other women's arms..right?

Later they were sorry and said they had the best wife and asked me to forgive them..one even died because I wouldn't return to him.

The father of my children is alone and could never replace me. He is paying the price but I pity him. I feel sorry for him because he is a lost soul.

I even pray for him.

You're very judgmental without knowing all the facts, but that's alright. Yes, I had some blame but she'd been after him for years, even going to his parents' house and asking about him. They were in high school together. I did the best I could to keep him but in the end she lured him away. She's very religious and wouldn't go back to church until they got married--they were fooling around for two years (unknown to me) before he abruptly left then he lied and said there was no one else. Now she lectures my children about religion, she has a lot of nerve telling them they're going to hell for disrespecting their father when she's an adulteress.

Now you know some of the story. I doubt you'll change your opinion and you're entitled to think what you will, but you'll be happier if you quit judging people so harshly and let God deal judge them.

Dancing,

I think you need to practice your own tag line "Look at yourself in the mirror before talking about someone else.:)"

Bravo..good response. Actually it wasn't that womans fault at all.

Her husband made the choice. He is the one who went out looking*for emotional solace* he couldn't get at home.

So she has only herself to blame and not the other woman.

dancingfeather I thought you were going to let this go???

Simple. If somebody is married, you don't try to get involved. It doesn't matter, women, men, it's all the same. If people are prevented from trying to sneak in the back door so to speak, either by conscience, their friends, common sense, respect, or god forbid the spouse of the person they are trying to fool around with finding out and screaming at them or physically getting into it, all the better. Whatever can happen to STOP people from doing this. If they cannot control themselves by themselves, then they need intervention to control themselves from other people.

I'm sure people also blame their spouse/ex but to say it's not at all the homewrecker's fault is naive. It is their fault, if the person is married and they know the person is married, they know better. They should stop while they are ahead - but they don't. That is called asking for it.

first of all i am not naive. what i'm saying if a married nman or woman hits on someone it's not that someone elses' fault. now that someone else could say no if they knew they were married but alot of people don't find that out at first. the married person doesn't sat hey, u want to to bed w/me i'm married. i think u are the one that's naive & you have been through this w/a husbamd, i hope not. the spouse is the homewrecker when he or she starts an affair. everybody always to blame the other person. i blame the spouse. voice of experience here.

Antiquelady, She did know he was married. Foxy had stated that the other woman called the house and spoke to her and called her names. The other woman was well aware of the fact that she was his wife, so she does have her own blame in this as well.

i still think the man is to blame. he should have been home w/his wife & it wouldn't have happened. he may not have had to twist her arm but he didn't have to sleep w/her either.

This is true, I only pointed that out because I can understand how Foxy would feel about this woman based on the fact that she had not only the nerve to call the house looking for him, but also to disrepect Foxy the way that she did. To me that makes her part of the affair that much worse. And not knowing the after math, who knows if this woman constantly reminded Foxy of that act by saying some comment or making a point to flaunt it based on the fact the it was a small town.

He disn't sleep with her and your right she didn't twist his arm. She did make him feel that going out instead of staying home with his family was perfectly normal for young people as she and her husband did it all the time. Neither of them were innocent in it...but this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about my marriage or why people have affairs of any kind.

I know it isn't Foxy and I am sorry that it has become like that. If I have said anything out of line please let me know. I never meant anything bad and certiantly didn't want to make it into something that it isn't.

Nope Erilyn, you are fine. That last comment was directed at someone else, I just couldn't remember who when I typed it.

everything is fine w/us & i admire u or taking up for your friend. that's what friends are all about. i just think when a man or woman strays it's not anybody's fault but their own. have a happy wed. jo

The woman knew he was married, she worked with him. She PURPOSELY tried to invite him out to party with her and ignore/neglect his wife at home with his new baby. That was wrong. She called the house and then attacked his wife and called her nasty names because she wouldn't go outside and get her husband to come to the phone. This is way more than a little office thing - and it appears she was much more into pursuing him than he was her.

I have never experienced something like this, no, but I have seen it happen to others. I do blame the women who purposely do crap like this because they rely on situations being to their liking - they purposely go after men who are experiencing troubled areas in their own relationships or marriages in order to tempt them. Maybe they are not trying to break things up but they do an awful good job of it. When you try to do something like that to someone who is already weak, it's almost a foregone conclusion that they will fall into your 'trap'.