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Not going into the gory details, but a few are necessary. Sure would like to know what others think of this situation.
I had, HAD being the operative word, a friend who was frequently needy. I think that she didn't always realize just how needy. She was ill and her illness was debilitating, however she rarely acknowledged this even to herself. She didn't like talking about it and resented anyone including me asking questions. On the other hand she would frequently become very angry if I didn't ask or didn't somehow acknowledge her illness in conversation.
Some background: At one time she worked for me which is how we originally me. We became friends and I really enjoyed her personality and wit. It was a pretty rough time at our employer and several months after hiring her I realized that her illness was creating difficulties for her in her work life. I protected her, she didn't realize this though and continued to pretend that she was 100% and everyone was simply refusing to acknowledge her contributions and commitment. Things ultimately spun out of control at a time when I could no longer protect her and she was fired, it was not a "good" firing but that is a different issue.
We remained friends, but it was often a difficult relationship. She would frequently chastise me for my style of communication telling me that I was to dispassionate or clinical. That I didn't "give" her enough time. That I would hang up and not call back. This was after hours on the phone with her. She wanted all my time and resented any time I spent with my husband, at the gym, or anything else. She couldn't take honest critism, didn't want to hear anything other than agreement with her sometimes very off the wall fury at me or others. She frequently torpedoed herself in her job search.
This past week was the final straw. I lost a good friend last weekend. I didn't call her instead I simply dropped her a e-mail apologizing for my lack of communication and explaining that I had lost a good friend. She went balistic. I was all kinds of insensitive, I was a user, I was everything under the sun. Needless to say I was really hurt. I tried to talk to her. I have bent over backwards for this woman time and again, including loaning her money ($3500) when she really needed it (no she hasn't repaid it).
The end result of all this is that she has decided that I am a bad friend because I was unable to make the changes to my personality that would accomodate her needs. I couldn't give up my life and spend every free moment I had on the phone with her every day. I didn't do everything she wanted me to do everytime she wanted me to do it, no matter how unreasonable it was. Her fury escalated so quickly and beyond anything I had every seen before. I don't understand it.
Sorry for the length of this, there is plenty more but I tried to keep it as short as possible. Should I be worried? She does have the ability to do harm to me professionally and personally. What would cause someone to act this way?
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| 11. dannie0821 (32) | 1 year ago | Dear Lvaldean,I'm quite sorry to see you are so much hurt.Definitely such a person is not worth your friendship any longer.Though she is in a very bad condition in life,but she can never require sympathy from others.Needless to say you are so kind to her always.Really can not understand her behavior,maybe really she has had some mental disorder...and maybe it's just an evil cycle she just irratates so much,always so disconsiderate which won't do her any good but more harm.I really admire you for your patience with her.You should be proud of yourself for that.And surely,sooner or later she will realise what a precious treasure she had lost.
For me,I've also met with such disagreeable person that I don't feel like to call her "friend" any more.In my philosophy,as long as I look on someboday as friend,I should treat them well,in other words,I'm very sincere to her.But then just a few months before,when it comes to things concerning self-interest,oh,you can not imagine how she acted.Everyone can be selfish,it is just one nature of human being and I totally understand if she did not go too much.But she went too far that I think she'd made me an idiot.That's really really awful. But after that,I feel kind of relief to get rid of people who don't worth your friedship.That also makes the hurt we got worthwhile,am I right?
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | I keep trying to see things from her perspective. I keep trying to see how hurt she was by all that happened and all that drove things in the direction that they went to. I understand that in her mind she has decided that her downfall is somehow my fault, somehow I am the architect.
I don't know how. I don't know why. But somehow it is my fault, everything that has happened to her is my fault.
I am so crushed by her recriminations by her rage.
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| 12. suneethy (41) | 1 year ago | Hi Ivaldean. First of all my heartful of pitty upon you. Friends are such' they comes and goes. nobody going to be so long lasting as per our/your expectations.
Lending/loaning money to a friend is more dangerous, that never returns. you can help financialy to your friend without any expectations.
You should not worry for such an selfish friend.
Everybody has their own life, let her live as per her terms and you live and enjoy your life as per your wish. after all your life is yours only.
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | I loaned it with the knowledge I might not get it back. I knew. I knew because she might die before she could pay me back.
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13. enfieldian (166) | 1 year ago | Hi there
I think there are two possibilites to this. First of all, and I apologise for putting this, is she married. If she is not then I wonder if she wants you for her own. She becomes jealous of your husband, friends etc. I hope I am not being insensitive in saying that. I hope you get my drift on that.
The other possibility is that she has a schizoprenic personality or has bi-polar disorder.
As regards the possibilty of hurting you professionally and personally, have you thought about seeking the advice of a solicitor (lawyer to you). This would be just to talk things over and see where you stand. The loan worries me, due to her reaction, I wonder if you will ever see that repaid.
Best wishes Steve
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | No she is not married. You are not insensitive, I have considered the same thing lately.
I have also considered that there is some other problem that drives her manic behavior. Her rages which are frankly becoming more and more frequent and uncontrollable.
Yes, I have considered seeking professional advice. I will likely do so. I am not concerned with the money. I knew when I loaned the money to her I would likely never see it again.
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14. MoonlightSerenade (998) | 1 year ago | To me, it sounds like she may have a self-loathing that she is taking out on those around her. I imagine she doesn't have anyone else in her life --or if she does, will be losing them one by one. I'm sure you're a wonderful friend and extremely giving, I can tell. I hope you don't become too concerned about this. She sounds exhausting. Most of us probably would have lost patience a long time ago.
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | She has exhausted me more than once. My sympathy for her more often that not takes over though and I allow myself to get sucked in.
Last Thursday she demanded that I not contact her any more. She enforced this by blocking my e-mail address. I was almost relieved by this, I know this sounds cold hearted, but really it was the first weekend I had to myself in months, the first weekend I didn't feel as if I was tied to my headset or needed to apologize if I wasn't. Then today, well tonight anyway I received a very long e-mail from her in which she listed all the ways in which I had failed her or caused her life to spin out of control.
Everything from it being my fault that she was fired from our mutual previous employer (it wasn't but she will never acknowledge this).
To the fact I had successfully mediated a settlement with them, started my business, and negotiated my first contract. While it took her 3 months to find work. She won't acknowledge that she fired her attorney, fought with perspective employers, couldn't travel to several interviews due to her health, and ultimately withdrew from mediation due to how hard it was. Two different approaches two different outcomes -- but somehow my fault.
She demands that I speak to people about issues over which either they have no control or over which they are not interested in working. Such as speaking to my attorney to collect a debt that is not due to my friend. Or speaking to a very senior member of our mutual ex-employer who I still have a good relationship regarding her pursuit of a settlement, or regarding the assignment of someone she does not personally like to what she considers a undeserved pluse assignment. She will never understand why these things are not appropriate for me to do or that the people involved will not become involved in the issues. Only seeing them somehow as "tests" of friendship in which I somehow fail.
I am simply stunned at this point at the narrow focus she has taken. Nowhere in her rage does she remember how often I defended and covered for her. Nowhere does she remember me calling hospitals, sending food to her house when she couldn't get out, being a reference, calling friends in the industry, insuring she got recognized for her contributions, getting her a $25,000 raise, loaning her money out of my personal pocket.
I don't even know how to approach this anymore.
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | I don't know that remaining in communication with her is the best idea. I wish it were but after today's e-mail (see response above) her resentment and anger it is just not a great idea.
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16. Irishfrndly65 (7457) | 1 year ago | I know this sounds trite, but really is she on some medication that could be affecting her? The only other thing that came to me is if she is suffering from being bipolar. This just does NOT sound like normal behaviour from a person...any person. I hope you get it all straightened out.
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | Me as well. The note I got from her tonight somewhat frightens me. I think she is truly going off the deep end. I don't know what is in her head or what she is thinking but I think I am going to seek legal advice pretty quickly.
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Irishfrndly65 (7457) | 1 year ago | If you are that concerned then be sure to keep a log of your conversations, emails, etc. Good luck! wow
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17. ronaldinu (7779) | 1 year ago | Hi Ivaldean, sometimes our friends are so absorbed in their problems that they don't realise that we are giving them a helping hand. Some relaise this at a later stage while others remain unaware that we tried to help them.
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | I apologize for responding so late, I have been a bit out of things lately.
I do know that sometimes our friends can be self-absorbed. I think with her she goes beyond this. Although this is exactly what she accusing me of.
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18. shamsta19 (820) | 1 year ago | You know I am reading this and it sounds like someone I know. Boy I wish you'd read what happened to me the other day http://www.mylot.com/w/di... . First I am sorry for you loss and anyone who isn't sympathetic to that is just not a friend to begin with (or a decent person for that matter). I believe some people are born this way. Back their selves into a corner and expect everyone's lives to be dictated by hers. It's a selfish way to think but in her eyes she can see no wrong in what she's doing. Boy do I know someone like this!!! I think you know who I mean. She tries to dictate my life and my actions but won't stand accountable for her own. She can do no wrong while everything I do is absolutely terrible.
You know what advice everyone has given me? Cut her off. And she's my girl. This woman is supposed to be a close friend of yours but it sounds as if your were just a crutch for her. You are better off without a person like this in your life. Wow I think I just had a revelation! And its never easy to let people go like this. You probably had more love for her than she did for herself. And owes you money too? Wow let me borrow $3500. I'd pay you back!
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shamsta19 (820) | 1 year ago | And to further add to ronaldinu's comment, some people do realize later in life and we (the decent people of the world) sit around waiting for them to realize this. Unfortunately this usually comes with a cost and we end up being hurt or hurting ourselves in pursuit of a goal that will never come to pass. I was (am) like this with my girlfriend but all things will change for me soon.
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lvaldean (937) | 1 year ago | Funny about this person, she is so very far off the hook she really doesn't get that her words do great harm. She believes that she has a free pass. Not sure why that is. She spent weeks, and I do mean weeks simply blasting me. My character, my humanity, my ethics, my morals. Every bad thing that came her way somehow landed on my doorstep. It was strange. Every choice she made, every bad choice especially despite my advice to the contrary was somehow my fault in the end.
I simply let her blast away. Ignoring her most of the time and then finally telling her to stop. Finally saying to her that I had enough I was done. Finally saying to her that I was not going to apologize to her for simply being the person that I was; that clearly she was not satisfied with our friendship and I was not going to make any significant changes to my personality, communication style, or values to appease her. Which of course started another round of blasting. Even stranger is that she knows that she does this, she admits that she goes off the deep end and doesn't have a edit button - but thinks that this should somehow be accepted. Maybe because she is sick?
I simply stopped responding. After two weeks of refusing to take phone calls and refusing to respond to her e-mails I think she figured it out. Then there was the "I miss you and our friendship" e-mail. I am sorry e-mail. I don't know what I did that you would treat me this way e-mail.
It was the guilt in two parts. First I was a demon now I am just being mean to her.
So I explained that she had done to much damage with her vitrolic dementia. I explained that of course I cared about her but I cared about me and my family as well. I could not be there for her all the time and her neediness was taking to much of my time and effort to sustain. Her demands were to much. Her jealousy of even my husband was over the top.
What is even funnier? She finally got her settlement from our mutual past employer - has she offered to repay me?
Why that would be a big no.
I will go read yours right now, and of course comment if I can add anything of value. I haven't been around to much lately. Spending to much time working really.
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plunketear (1242) | 1 year ago | Hi Val, I wondered what had been transpiring over this? Since she got her settlement,I don't think if I were you, I could resist asking her that exactly why has she not repaid you her debt? If she were to suggest 'how mean and unsupportive' (ya right) was reason (which we know she likely will) then I would simple state that, in taking back your own life and refusing to be take the brunt of her cr*p since your support was falling on deaf ears anyway, would never ever be REASON enough for her to not repay her debt to you and if she refuses you consider that she has stolen from you and is nothing more than a common thief.
....either that, you keep your distance and decide that if she stays away from you fromn now on, it might be worth the $3500 was it? bucks. But if she still harasses you, then pay up b*tch, see you in court. (pardon my frankness, but the injustice of your situation steams me everytime I read it)
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shamsta19 (820) | 1 year ago | And when you know at heart you are truly a good person or at least good to her, and she still treats you this way? It's absolutely necessary you remove people like this from your life as they can only bring you down and keep you miserable!
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19. skywolfcel (5081) | 1 year ago | im sorry that you been hurt by a friend and i hope you get over it pretty soon and if she is trying to do it again just take it as a challenge to move on in life
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20. twoey68 (9692) | 11 months ago | In truth I think you are really better off without her in your life. She sounds like she has some serious issues and is using you as a battering board for them. As for the part about her having the ability to do harm to you professionally and personally, I'm not sure what that's all about but you can't stay friends with someone b/c your afraid of what they might say or do. I'd suggest you let her go her own way, cut all contact and let the chips fall where they may...at least you'll be free of her.
~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~
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