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myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4820)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics 4 years ago

I have heard many comments on the Senator Obama "Lipstick on a pig" joke and have seen the video clip several times. The comment shows what happens when Senator Obama is off the Teleprompter. He gives a poor speech and he rambles on. In this case had makes a major blunder. One of two things are possible: First he knew what he was saying and made the comment about Gov Palin. The other is that he was telling it as a joke. If it was a deliberate joke about Gov Palin then it was in extremely poor taste and way out of bounds. Such personal attacks have no place in presidential politics. If on the other hand it was simply a tired old political joke then it shows very poor judgment. With Gov Palin making a joke about lipstick and pit bulls a few nights before, the connection now becomes personal. I don't think he meant to call Gov Palin a Pig. But it does question his judgment and with out a teleprompter in diplomatic negotiations is he going to say something that will hurt the country? If someone is going to tell jokes he better have the ability to deliver the joke properly. Senator is one of those people who can not deliver a joke. This is not meant as a negative but as a observation from someone who also has a problem delivering a joke.

The trouble Senator Obama has when he goes off script and the mistakes he makes gives me concern for his qualifications to be president.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 77/100. barbie84 (5346)   4 years ago

we all know that no matter how good or how bad they seem when they are looking for our vote that the second they get elected this will all change, everything becomes about making money out of the working class not looking after them

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2. myLot reputation of 31/100. ngaspero (473)   ranked 1,117 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

hi, hiw much I know Mc Cain used the same "joke" several times..but you didn't mentioned it..why? it was not the same? From hier in Italy I see a lot of attack vs Obama from Mc Cain that have not so much to do with politics and people problems, like if he wanto to escape from it, and a lot of shame from Mc Cain for the politics of GWB, so shame that he was also notpresent at the rep. convention...but people should know that if they vote Mc Cain a big part of the GWB politic goes on..and the debate will show them..I guess then that Mc Cain and Palin will be in trouble...
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3. myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 248 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

I think too much is being made of the teleprompter thing, they all use them and all sound different without them. However, I do believe that Obama's problem when he speaks unscripted is that you can "hear" his thought process working, if that makes sense. I know because I have this problem myself. IT's almost as if you can see him choosing his words.
I don't believe the lipstick remark was meant to imply that Palin was a pig. McCain used this phrase when referring to one of Hillary's health care initiatives. Nobody attacked him and said he was implying Hillary was a pig. One of McCains former press secretarys even wrote a book titled "Lipstick on a pig; Winning in the No-Spin Era." This phrase has been around a long time, I just think part of the hub bub over it is because of the audience reaction.


myLot reputation of 49/100. morethanamolehill (860)   ranked 847 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

"Nobody attacked him [McCain] and said he was implying Hillary was a pig."

That's because he wasn't implying that Hillary was a pig. He was talking about her idea, Not her, personally. And Hillary hadn't been going around the country telling a joke with Lipstick as the punchline. And no one is attacking Obama.

Obama Said it. he meant it, His fans knew what he meant and Laughed about it. They even chanted "No mOre Pitbulls". And now they are trying to defend him on it. You guys really need a new script. this one is worn out.


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 248 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

No one is attacking over this remark? The McCain campaign immediately relaeased an internet ad on youtube (that was yanked after CBS complained) that accused Obama of running a sexist campaign. You are right. This shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. However, as long as the McCan camp keeps using the "shiny metal object" way of getting the media, and the Obama camp to shy away from focusing on the issues this is what we're stuck with. Personally I think the McCain camps avoidance of the issues is getting rather old.


myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4820)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Yet Senator Obama talked at length about it on the David Letterman show. Who is keeping it alive?


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 248 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

I believe it was Letterman that asked the question that brought it up again to begin with. If Obama would've refused to answer he'd be getting criticized for that. Some situations you just can't win, and this is one of them for Obama. As an Obama supporter I'd like to see Obama stop trying to defend himself and just stick to the issues, but then he ends up like McCain did back in 2000 when it appeared he wasn't standing up for himself.

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4. myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

I'm sorry, bob, I'm not trying to be disrespectful but there is no way that any rational person can predict a person's diplomatic ability on the basis of one speech and the delivery of an off the cuff comment that some people siezed upon. I've seen all of them....Obama, McCain, Biden, Hillary...all of them off script more than once and they've all done fine considering the pressure they're under. The only one I haven't seen in that light is Palin. Both McCain and Obama are intelligent men but if you want to believe that Obama isn't qualified based on a joke that may or may not have been an attack on Palin (and only a mind reader can know for sure), that's fine, but I'm not going to base such an important decision on something as minor as that.


myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4820)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Senator Obama has been praised as a great speaker based on speaches given using a teleprompter. When he get into trouble with things he says it is because he is talking off the cuff with out prepaired text. Senator Obama is a trained lawyer and a politician. He should be able to speak his ideas in a coherent manner with out prepared text. It seems that almost all of his gaffs have been when he is making his off script talks or in a debate. It is in these talks that he seems to alway have to hold a press confrence to explain what he meant the day before and sometimes it takes two or three confrences to fully explain what he meant to say. You do not get this chance in Diplomatic talks. He may have his advisors but many times the two leaders meet and set out the general outline.

One of the problems I see is the man has no solid values to guide his decisions. I DO NOT MEAN THAT HE IS A BAD PERSON. MANY PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE BASIC VALUES AND GO WITH THE FLOW OF EVERYDAY LIFE. He has osme things that guide his life and decisions but they are something that can be changed or bent to fit a situtation or to advance him or a cause he is working on. By solid values I will give an example. A person who beleives that your first duty is to help and serve your country. So when your country is in need of your service, even if they don't ask for your help, this person would give up a comfortable life to serve their country. Such people include Jimmy Stewart, JFK, Pat Tillman, Bob Hope to name a few. When you have deeply held values it is easy for you to talk about those values. Senator Obama has values more of the Situtaional Ethics, which beleives that the situtation determines your responce. Is one better than the other value system. No they are different and how you view them depend upon your value system.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Did you happen to watch his inerview with Bill O'Reilly? Bill only had 30 minutes...not a minute more...so he hit hard and fast in order to cover everything. Obama did not have a prepared text, did not know what the questions would be in advance, was in a very intense situation and, IMO, he came across as coherent and knowledgable. That was Bill's no spin opinion as well on his radio show today. So far I haven't seen any press conferences explaining anything that he said and none of the networks/websites/blogs have picked up on anything so I think that goes against your theory. The reason Obama, as well as McCain, have to explain comments is because their opponants will seize upon anything they can sensationalize and spin to their favor.

He has osme things that guide his life and decisions but they are something that can be changed or bent to fit a situtation or to advance him or a cause he is working on.

You mean he's not rigid like the extremists on both the left and the right who believe it's either my way or no way...that you either agree with me or the discussion is over because there is no middle ground?

By solid values I will give an example. A person who beleives that your first duty is to help and serve your country. So when your country is in need of your service, even if they don't ask for your help, this person would give up a comfortable life to serve their country.

You just described Obama's service to the poor in Chicago. Instead of taking a high paying job as an attorney he became a voice for those who could not speak for themsleves and wasn't raking in the dough while doing it.


myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4820)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

I have seen the interview and he did a good job. He was prepared for this interview and he still had to be brought back to the topic. The interview was not exactly an off the cuff speech.

Your example of Senator Obamas community orginizinge job is an example of values. So is his decision to deny a friend of 20 years when it looks like it might hurt
his campaing. He also the Church because it would help him as a Community Orginizer. These are examples of Situtational Ethics. What he did was not wrong when he viewed it at the time.

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5. myLot reputation of 49/100. Destiny007 (4866)   ranked 647 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

It was scripted and deiberate... in fact it was stolen from a political cartoon from a few days prior to his comment, almost word for word.

The fact that he and Biden both are walking gaffe machines are indeed a serious concern, not only with dealing with foreign countries but also with the daily demands of the office that Obama is seeking.

Obama recently said that he may have been to "flip" when he answered that it was above his pay grade to determine when life begins.

There are two main problems here, the first being that if he can't make a simple declaration or determination about when life begins, then what makes him think he has either the knowledge or the wisdom to be president and make decisions that will have a direct impact on all of us?

The second problem is that flippancy is not are real good character trait for a president.

Anyway, here is the link for the stolen comment...

http://wnd.com/index.php?...


myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4820)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

part of Senator Obama's problem is that he is trying to fit each answer to the tiem and place and his preceived wishes of the people he is addressing.


myLot reputation of 49/100. Destiny007 (4866)   ranked 647 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

You mean his views change as his audience changes...

How Clintonesque.

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6. myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

This is a perfect example of the silliness that has hampered this campaign from the beginning. When McCain made this joke several times there was no doubt it was directed at Hillary but I didn't hear or see any outrage over that. I guess with Hillary, anything goes but not so with Sarah. I don't see how Obama made a "major blunder", not for one second, and I don't see how it could be an example of Obama's lack of judgment. There are many more things that concern me deeply about McCain's lack of judgment, to be perfectly honest, and I'm really not just saying that because I'm a liberal Democrat. The criticism of Obama talking without a teleprompter is getting old also. When McCain is speaking without one he still repeats the same things over and over while Obama does seem to stop and think before he speaks and I for one have no problem with that. He doesn't have a preprogrammed answer ready for every question. We've yet to hear Palin speak without a teleprompter or say anything other than slightly modified versions of one speech so maybe McCain/Palin supporters better watch what they say, it may just come back to bite them like an angry pit-bull.

I just think it's way too sensitive for people to now say it's "personal" just because Sarah has used the lipstick comment so now any mention of lipstick is a slur against her? I really don't think so and I think we'd better get back to the issues before election day.
Annie


myLot reputation of 40/100. avranesjr (761)  4 years ago

Exactly. There are videos of Grampa using the exact same saying. And even Huck Hucklebee told Hannity that he'd have to cut Obama a break on this one; that it was just a saying used by many and not directied toward anyone. It's just phony outrage to get the simpletons and rednecks all worked up, and it's doing a good job, LOL!


myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4820)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

It has been reported that the teleprompter was not working during most of her speech at the Republican Convention when she gave her s[eech.


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  4 years ago

NBC news and the Chicago Sun newspaper >refer to you tube< news media video's Obama-Rezko,NBC News media video's and the Chicago Sun,investigate of Tony Rezko and Barack Obama property investment deals,100 million dollars in government and private loans to Tony Rezko con property investor,the loans granted was to upgrade run down buildings on the east side of Chicago.
Tony Rezko found guilty in millions dollar rip off he never upgraded the run down buildings that was to house the poor black low income people on the east side of Chicago,11 of these run down building are in senator Barack Obama's district.
Chicago Sun newspaper document news video at you tube Obama-Rezko,has on video 8 letters wrote by Barack Obama encouraging big property loans for his friend Tony Rezko.
Obama turned down a six figure law firm job to go to work for a low grade dingy law firm,happen to be this dinky law firm was mixed up big time with Syrian born muslim Tony Rezko.
Yes,it is a really nice and consider man just out of harvard law school to pass up a six figure law firm position to go to work for a dinky law firm on the east side of Chicgo,that is truly big hearted to pass up a law school student's dream of a life time, right out of law school to help the poor black low income people on the east side of Chicago,strange con-artist Tony Rezko was the dingy law firms biggest star property investor.
Rezko presently is out of jail on a one million dollar bail,a muslin from the middle east paid Tony Rezko bail money.
Very odd connections that senator Barack Obama indeed has had for even up to twenty years and of course he did not know what any of these connections was up to
Far as the lipstick on a pig drama it reminds me about the faces on the currency,seems strange to me Barack Obama claims he wants to talk about the issues,time again I watch how bad he wants to stay on the issues as he throws a monkey wrench in the works and here we go talking about faces on currency and lipstick on a pig,but of course it is that other guys fault.
Far a Bill O' interview hardest interview Obama has had in two years,this is Fox News style,Bill O' is engaging,hard hitting kind of guy, but he is also fair,Barack Obama can't give a off his head answer,he repeats well,well,ah,well,ah and he fumbles, thinks harder then most people would have to,I see it the words are not from the heart but they are from the head.
Obama says he is concerned about the poor people but don't seem to want to drill for oil in a certain place in Alaska becasue of the caribou,moose,so where dose truth lay help all them poor people Obama loves to bring up or the caribou and the moose,poor low income hungry cold people or the caribow,moose,I would bet my last buck the caribou and moose win hand's down.
Now that I have just make all of your day I will be on my way to ruffle more Barack Obaam featehrs.
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myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 248 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

When you hit "zero" will you go take a class on proper grammar or something? And what does Rezko have to do with this discussion? Your thank you letter from the company that makes Excedrin is in the mail, everytime I attempt to read what you say I have to take one. I'd have no problem with you kenny if it weren't for this radical, ill thought out, poorly written non sense.


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 102 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

LOL soccermom


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Thanks, Rose, for another rambling, repetitive and totally off-topic post!

And she probably STILL thinks it's the Obama supporters who are giving her all the negative ratings to cause her star to fall! She apparently has no tolerance for anyone with any ties to another country or culture, yet when you read one of her posts you'd never think she was American born and bred - not to mention educated...lol!
Annie

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7. myLot reputation of 46/100. WhatsHerName (1726)   ranked 246 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

Obama is loosing his confidence and his inexperience is showing through.
Now they are saying that Oprah shouldn't have Sarah on her show because she shouldn't make her show a political arena. She says she will have her on after the election.
Well, I'm not falling for it, she steeped into the arena when she had senator O. on her show and spoke publicly for him.
She's always trying to tell us she wants to inform us and help us be better Americans. Why not have them all on her show one at a time and ask them Oprah questions so we can get to know them better. Could it be that the great "O"
doesn't want to play fair?
Who knows, maybe someone will jump on her furniture...

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8. grahamrl39 (16)   ranked 3,027 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

Obama knew exactly what he was saying. Ofcouse he is not going to fest up. LYING IS HIS NATURE!! A joke? Don't play like that his is suppose to be a very intelligent man. Use other words and phrases. He's evil through and through. You Lib's are going to see. If he makes president. The horrible thing is after two years he won't be able to fall back on anybody, but himself. I'm almost willing to vote for him just to see that come to pass.

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