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myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics 4 years ago

Until this morning I couldn't quite put my finger on why the presidential debates had made me feel uncomfortable. The candidates seemed so subdued and limited in their responses the debates were more like bad press conferences. Everthing was obviously scripted and limited to a very tight format. This morning I saw a story
on C-Span that explained the lameness of the debates. George Farah, of OpenDebates.com, describes a bipartisan privately funded organization, the Commission on Presidential Debates, that so stringently controls the debate process we can not really see the candidates in action, interacting with one another in any spontaneous way. I think this organization is doing the American people a disservice by exerting such control over the debates. What do you think?
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1. myLot reputation of 94/100. skywolfcel (5050)   4 years ago

well when its mccain and obama did a debate its kinda boring than the vice presidential debate.

and why i am watching it because i want to know their agenda and what they have to say for questions that are given to them by the people who are there to ask question.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

I watch all the debates hoping to understand more about what the candidates' plans are for the country. So far I have been disappointed because I am hearing the same old stuff in speeches, ads and the debates. More generalities and good intentions.

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2. myLot reputation of 72/100. evanslf (406)   ranked 156 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

Yes the debates are very controlled and I know there were quite a lot of people expressing their fustration at rigidly enforced debate format, particularly during the second presidential debate.

I think the Commission is to blame though I suspect the parties are as well since they place many requirements on the commission as they are both vying to ensure that their candidate is not disadvantaged.

I think there is also a major problem in that it looks like the moderator is not allowed to ask searching follow-up questions and I think it is both parties and candidates that are to blame for that, since they both seem to be frightened of the follow-up question.

That said, at least the US has debates where there is an opportunity for people to look at both candidates debating toe to toe. It isn't perfect and should be improved on, particularly the point about the moderator being able to ask followup questions.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

In his interview this morning, Farah said the candidates and moderators are tightly scripted and the only aim of the debate is to get through it withoutmaking many gaffes the media can run with. They also disallow third party candidates from participating as it would increase the likelihood of an unscripted
interaction if they allowed third party participation.

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3. myLot reputation of 42/100. redyellowblackdog (4040)   4 years ago

Both candidates want it that way. This makes it possible to make it more likely they both can avoid the tough issues.

Did balancing the budget come up? Gun control? Whether or not to attack Iran? The debates are constructed so as to make it more feasible to only discuss pap.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

That's a good point. Both political parties also like to keep the candidates a bit subdued in their opportunities to comment to avoid major gaffes that might be made in the event tough issues would be discussed.

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4. myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4815)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

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myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

I agree with you. Bill O'Reilly would be a good moderator, and a debate where the real issues could be honestly addressed would be a breath of fresh air in the political climate of this election.

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5. myLot reputation of 48/100. rodney850 (931)   ranked 456 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

Clrumfelt,

IMO the debates are as useless as t!ts on a boar hog! The moderators even have an agenda and it shows by the questions they ask. I'm not even sure the townhall venue wasn't scripted. The candidates are never pinned down on true issues and their answers are usually so canned you could have gone to their website and read them word for word.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

The town hall debate was scripted. The audience had submitted their questions in advance of the debate and they were chosen ahead of time. I'm not sure if the candidates had the opportunity to preview them and prepare their answers, but I suspect they did. No spontaneity there.

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6. myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19613)   ranked 217 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

I was lucky. I did not watch the debates, but I find that if you have the candidates control them, then you just seem to get a series of arguments and news conference speeches. They should be run by a non-partisan committee instead of by Obama and McCain. Then when I went here to find the reaction, I got the Obama was better by the Obamanites and the reverse by the McCain supporters, so I figured it depended on who you were supporting as to who won.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Good point. We got no new information from the debates. It was just like viewing a press conference.

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7. maccer50 (31)   ranked 1,480 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

You know what I found interesting was watching the body language of the audience. There was one lady that I found especially expressive because she had her arms folded and her legs crossed. It was like she was exerting all of the control of her body and restraining her reactions as much as she could. I found myself shouting and jumping up a couple of times and I thought that the tightly constrained rules that the audience members were participating under would have given me an aneurysm. Also, you are correct in stating that the feel of the whole thing was phoney bologna. It had a plastic and structured feel. I think the debates would be much more interesting if they were permitted to be more flowing and organic. You know, let the audience shout it out. Let the candidates respond like real people. That would surely show us how the candidates operate under pressure, very important for a U.S. president. Don't you think so?


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

The candidates were totally scripted. The point you made about watching the audience is interesting. The audience is controlled as best it can be by those in charge of the debate, but they are not scripted to the extent of the candidates and body language can be very telling. Thanks for your comments.

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8. dramaclass (3)   4 years ago

Yo man, disscussion are the most lame and boring things to have happend, like why can't we just chill with some cool debates for once, I mean come on, I am 100% sure no one can absoloutly stand by and watch and ENJOY a presidential debate.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

There were probably a lot more interesting shows on tv to watch during the debates, but for a political junkie like me, I watch just hoping one of them will say something I haven't heard before, or be a little spontaneous outside the scripted box, but so far I have been disappointed.

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9. myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 414 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

I cannot watch the debates, on one hand you have Obama a man who talks about killing what made America great, and on the other McCain a man who talks about killing what made the GOP great. To me it is not the format but the men on the stage that make the debates for me unwatchable.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

It sad people are not more happy with the candidates of their parties this year. Many of us feel we will be voting for the lesser of two evils in this election.

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10. Cloujus (1)   ranked 2,981 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

I think really that they needed to change the format of the debate, the last one that they had between Mcain and Obama was terrible, they were not allowed to fight back at each other and were not allowed to interupt and share the counter arguments.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

The last debate will be a little different format. I am hoping there will be more interaction between the candidates themselves, and that more information will be forthcoming. Perhaps Morley Shaffer will do a better job of eliciting information and getting them to interact.

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