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myLot reputation of 84/100. Khayam (205)   ranked 132 out of 6,501 in religion 4 years ago

In the Christian tradition, the burden of the original sin is a millstone around a human's neck. I must admit I can't understand why Adam and Eve were expelled for their sins, since they weren't offered a system of value through which they could have used in order to distinguish good from evil. In this context, I keep wandering why God can't love His children unconditionally? Why his children are splitted in two camps "believers" and "non-believers": this separation seems to highlight that, in God's eyes, human soul has no genuine value, the only ones wothing being those that choose His way. Is the soul of a "non-believer" worthless in the eyes of God?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 75/100. greyy21 (120)   4 years ago

Depends on which version of god you mean.. Before, God was seen as someone you feared and would punish you if you did wrond, now it's been changed so that they say God loves you no matter what nd will forgive you nd all that.

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2. myLot reputation of 19/100. joel8520 (109)   4 years ago

God loves all of his childern. Its more of a question of whether they love him back, He offers salvation to all but not all take it. If someone offered you 100$ and you didn't take it you wouldn't expect for 100 just to end up in your paypal or something. You have to accept a gift.

If you were God how would you do it? Would you allow rapists and pedofils into heaven to continue what they are doing?


myLot reputation of 84/100. Khayam (205)   ranked 132 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

No. But I would allow the entrance to my Kingdom to the Atheists that don't believe in me, but feed a hungry beggar, offer a shelter to a homeless. I would allow the entrance to my Kingdom to Muslims believers that respected their systems of value and followed Allah's Word. I would allow the entrance to my Kingdom to Hindu people that use their energy in order to help other people, to cure diseases, to understand the world. I would even allow the entrance to my Kingdom to the Judaic believers that donate their money in order to save lifes in the Sub-Saharan countries.


myLot reputation of 19/100. joel8520 (109)  4 years ago

Well then. You have a much more specific code for who can enter heaven than God does. Anyone can be saved, Even a rapist. God offers salvation to every single human being no matter what they have done. All that is required is repentance of sin and faith


myLot reputation of 48/100. rcfranz (136)   ranked 3,762 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

joel,theres a saying if god can forgive others why cant you?


myLot reputation of 19/100. joel8520 (109)  4 years ago

I want to help people, I myself am a sinner who deserves hell but am saved my grace of my lord and savior. I'm not trying to tell people they are damned for hell. I'm trying to tell people God will save them from Hell


myLot reputation of 39/100. cooler1968 (499)  4 years ago

Karl Rahner called people of goodwill - those who did good deeds, but did not believe - "anonymous christians" ... perhaps this is what is meant by the auther of the discussion in this response.

God does not shut anyone out - it is us, bey mere fact of our actions.

It's kinda like God inviting us all to a party, and we say "no thanks" - then weeping when the party's on and we cant go ....

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. SomeCowgirl (14319)   ranked 1,528 out of 6,501 in religion   4 years ago

God does love his children Unconditionally. He told Adam and Eve not to partake of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden but the serpent prompted Eve to do so stating that the fruit of the tree would not cause death. Eve partook of the tree and gave Adam fruit from it as well, and after eating the fruit they were knowledgable and knew of their bare skin and were ashamed. Ashamed further of the creator finding out they hid amongst trees and only came out once God called upon them. God punished them according to their wrongdoings just as a parent would punish their children. He also punished the Serpent who told Eve of the fruit. Once Eve bore children he warned Cain against sin. God is a loving god and loves unconditionally, but as a child must be punished so must Adam And Eve. So must we all.

I do not believe that god categorizes those to whom believe and those to whom do not believe. He loves all equally, Cain did not believe god in a way when god warned him of sin, and yet after Cain slain his brother, Abel, god still punished him, and protected him, marking his skin against those who might slay him.

Those who do not believe do not understand, but those who do believe can misunderstand.


myLot reputation of 84/100. Khayam (205)   ranked 132 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

Although I can't say i agree, I can understand the logic of your answer. But I don't understand why a child must be punished? Or if, to some extent, i can understand that a child should be punished, why the sentence should be DEATH? Remember, Adam and Eve become mortals, as a result of God's punishment, no refference to that exists in the Bible before.


myLot reputation of 19/100. joel8520 (109)  4 years ago

Many Christians also believe in something called an age of responsibility. Until the child is old enough to understand what it means to follow God and Repent they are not going to Hell if they die


myLot reputation of 98/100. SomeCowgirl (14319)   ranked 1,528 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

Starter of the discussion : We as humans live by example. God made an example of Adam and Eve, should he have allowed them no punishment? They disobeyed him and he punished them, that doesn't mean he didn't love them.


myLot reputation of 98/100. SomeCowgirl (14319)   ranked 1,528 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

Commenter of the discussion : That is a value of today, but who's to say that was a value of when god created?

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4. myLot reputation of 87/100. staylor29a11 (345)   4 years ago

God does love everyone the same, it is documented and each person has a purpose, God loves us all unconditionally it is just his children that don't love one another the same way


myLot reputation of 84/100. Khayam (205)   ranked 132 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

God is offering us His gift through His Church. God loves His Church and impregnates it with His divine grace and, as a result, the Church's actions reflect the will of God.

In this conceptual framework, Roman Catholic Church emphasized so many times that God doesn't love us equally. Let's breathe and take a look at the Holy Inquisition, at the Crusades. Millions died because they didn't accepted the "gift" of Christianty. Still, the Roman Catholic Churches remain sanctuaries of Cristianty and the Roman Catholic clergy, the most powerful promoter of the Christian system of values.

Let's take a deep breath and go 6 years ago when Pope John Paul II, canonised Josemaria Escriva de Balanguer, the founder of Opus Dei as a Holy Saint of the Christian Church. de Balanguer was among the supporters of Francisco Franco's dictatorial regime in Spain, a period of time when many died without a reason.

Is this the will of God?


myLot reputation of 87/100. staylor29a11 (345)  4 years ago

i am southern baptist, my religion says God loves us all the same unconditionally and there is nothing to make God take that love away

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5. myLot reputation of 72/100. barehugs (5856)   ranked 844 out of 6,501 in religion   4 years ago

God is Love! God Loves Absolutely! Absolute love demands Absolutely Nothing! Christianity is a Scam that was invented 1500 years age. This Scam depends on its victims being frightened into giving money to the Christian Religion on the pretense of saving their souls from Hell-fire and Brimstone. The true God (not the Christian God) does not send anyone to Hell. Every soul is valued by God. God does not distinguish between good and evil. For generations the church punished its parishioners for eating fish on Fridays. This was easy money for the Catholic Church and had nothing whatever do do with God. Believers and Non-believers are equal in the sight of the True God!


myLot reputation of 70/100. edujccz (553)   ranked 376 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

When we give to the church it is not that we are frightened for any hell fire you are talking about. We give because we love the church, we give for God without asking of anything in return. Yes we give to support the church for we want our church to be maintained, to have lights to have water, to be cleaned , to be adorned with flowers, just the same as you said , we love our church unconditionally. God called us to abstained on friday but I dont abstain during Friday, I ate everything that God is giving me and i thank him for all this food and amenities and some I returned to him in giving to the church. And if I go to hell by eating meat on friday because I loved too, then i will be happy to go to hell and never been afraid.

Barehug, I have many friends everywhere I go. I talk, i bearhug to the lowless of the poor, i embrace them and I give what I can,i share, give them with no return, they answer me with their smiles and laughter, I have no enemy either. i am happy if i've been scamed. Happy posting

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6. myLot reputation of 91/100. lotterylover (7440)   ranked 73 out of 6,501 in religion   4 years ago

Your question reminds me of a story I heard about a couple who had been married for awhile. AS the couple was riding along the wife turned to her husband and said, "We don't sit close together like we used to when we were first married, how come?" The husband reminded her gently that he was still in the same place. The same with us God is still in His place. Those who are non-believers are the ones who moved. He even sent His Son to bring us back to Him. Adam and Eve were warned over and over to watch out for Satan. To stay together in order to help each other not to be deceived. God must punish the wicked in order to protect the righteous although down through the ages it has been the righteous who have suffered. Only when He comes to take us home will we be safe from Satan's wiles.

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7. myLot reputation of 88/100. Ganesh44 (1410)   ranked 340 out of 6,501 in religion   4 years ago

My Dear Friend

God loves all unconditionally .

I want to give you an example .

GOD is like SUN which pour its light on everyone without any discrimination .

But yes if one keeps himself/herself packed in a dark room , light of sun wont reach him/her,which is not the fault of SUN .

Similarly God loves all unconditionally but if someone stops believing that GOD is helping/loves all than their is no way to convince him /her

But yes God loves all unconditionally for sure lol

Happy Mylotting !

Take Care !

Ganesh !


myLot reputation of 70/100. edujccz (553)   ranked 376 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

Just for discussion,

its like when you are at the pole , you receive the sunligh less than those who are at the equator, if it was kind of a food , the people at the equator gets more food from the sun, it looks like the love of God cannot be compare to a Sun.

Just by thought, happy posting Ganesh

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8. myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (8266)   ranked 30 out of 6,501 in religion   4 years ago

Hi khayam, God does love all his children unconditionally, there is no real love except unconditional love. Blessings.

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9. myLot reputation of 48/100. rcfranz (136)   ranked 3,762 out of 6,501 in religion   4 years ago

i agree that god love are unconditionally,he gave juses hes begotten son for us to redeemed in every sins poeple have,he sacrifice hes son for us,its just there are some poeple who are pretending they knew everything dispite the fact that they are clueless about everything...

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10. myLot reputation of 84/100. jedimind (141)   ranked 2,505 out of 6,501 in religion   4 years ago

i think the reason why God cast Adam and Eve out from the Garden of Eden is because they disobeyed Him. He told them not to eat the fruit, but they still did. So the main sin was disobedience.

and, i think the reason why God can't love all humans, even those how don't believe in Him is because we have to first acknowledge we are sinful. even so, we have to acknowledge that the only person who can take away our sins is Jesus. if we don't acknowledge this, how can God even love us? for God is holy, we are unholy. God hates sin, we have sin.


myLot reputation of 84/100. Khayam (205)   ranked 132 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

God hates sin? I'm not sure that I understand, maybe because my vision of God is an equation with no "Hate" variable within. God can't hate sin, since what we conceptualize as sin, is the alteration of a value - theoretically promoted by God. In Middle Ages, Christians were told that God hates the fact that they eat fish (fish was the symbol of Jesus, prior to the commerical introduction of the cross). Do you believe that God changed His mind in regard to the consumption of fish? I doubt it. In this context I conclude that God can't hate sin, because God can't hate.


myLot reputation of 84/100. jedimind (141)   ranked 2,505 out of 6,501 in religion  4 years ago

hmm, but that would be your interpretation of who God is to you. i take my interpretation from the bible itself. it mentions clearly that God hates sin, that's why we cannot come to God, for we are sinful and if we do, we will just die from his holiness (this is in the bible paraphrased of course).

i don't know where you got the concept that God hates fish as well. care to share? it says nowhere that he hates fish.

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