A Few Questions about Barack Obama have been answered.  |
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| Ever since the name Barack Obama began openly talking about his presidential aspirations, pundits (both of the professional and the amature sort) expressed concerns about his ability to step up in the face of one of the most daunting responsibilities of a head of state... the order to take a human life. It's a fair question since no one can imagine a president making it through 4 years without having to issue such an order. It's also a question many candidates can't really answer because they often can't point to anything on their resume to back up their answer. The question was cast back into the mix when pirates attacked the US Flagged ship, Maersk Alabama and floated off with Cpt. Richard Phillips in a small lifeboat. Every day that the lifeboat drifted towards Somalia, people wondered how the situation was going to play out. We all also wondered what Prs. Obama was going to do about it. Our first indication of how he was going to handle it didn't speak too well for him. When a reporter asked him about it, he simply stated "we're here to talk about housing". Many of us were left wondering what retribution the reporter would see for asking a question whose answer wasn't preloaded into the trusty teleprompter. However, most of us realize that we aren't going to be privvy to the real work going on away from the camera eye, microphone's ear or pesky reporters' questions. We don't get to be part of the Oval Office banter between the president and his advisors.. nor do we learn of the decisions until they are carried out. It can't be an easy decision for anyone to make. Most of us just know these people as "the pirates", but by the time Prs. Obama made any decisions, I'm guessing he knew their names and faces. He wasn't deciding about a situation where people "might" get killed here... to issue this order would be deciding that these people would die. He also had to know that this decision wasn't going to be made in a bubble. Pirates by definition aren't the most forgiving of folks. There have already been threats made by other pirates about retaliation if the US kills the pirates on the lifeboat. Do we allow this to pass in hopes of appeasing the pirates, hoping it will result in better treatment for future mariners on US flagged ships? Or do we draw the line here and now, reminding them that one of the occupational hazards for pirates is watery graves with holes in their hearts. Navy SEAL snipers stood on the deck of a US Navy's, USS Bainbridge. An order was issued and shots were fired... 3 pirates were killed, one was captured, and Cpt. Phillips was no longer a hostage. That was the end of the process; a process that started with the pirates and also ended with them. In between were many men and women whose names we'll probably never know. If they hadn't done their jobs, this may have ended much differently. However, they did do their jobs and because they did, we are celebrating instead of mourning. One of the people who did their job well was Prs. Barack Obama. | | | | | |
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1. lilaclady (22737)
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3 years ago
| | I am not sure how politics work in th US, I am an Aussie but never really look at any decision to be wholly for one person surely, woukld it not be a party decision any way....I would hate to think such important decisions rely solely on one person but then I guess judges do that ....I guess I feel no-one should have such a big responsibility... | | | | | | |
ParaTed2k (6358)
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3 years ago
| | Even in Australia the military is headed by a Commander In Chief. I assume that Governer-General Bryce has the same authority to issue orders. | | | |
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2. spalladino (11857)
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3 years ago
| | I knew in my heart that the SEALs were there and I hoped against hope that the U.S. would stand strong but, as this situation continued to drag on, I started to have my doubts. Now we know more and I'm proud of my country's military response and my president's actions. I had a friend in Maryland who was a retired SEAL and he used to talk about how patient you had to be in certain situations while you waited for your opportunity. While the pirates were bolstered I'm sure by the Navy's willingness to work with them and to be so nice, they had no idea that they were being watched through the scope of a sniper's gun and being maneuvered into position for their execution. I guess this was the test Joe Biden was talking about during the campaign and, as far as I'm concerned, Obama passed it with flying colors. I normally don't wish death on anyone...and I didn't in this situation...but, if you're going to attack an American ship and take an American hostage...you're going to be met with the force of the United States Navy. Deadly force. | | | | | | |
ParaTed2k (6358)
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3 years ago
| | I wouldn't equate this to the big test, but it was a test and you are right Prs. Obama performed admirably! To me a "big test" would be something more like a major attack against the US. Maybe not as dramatic as the attacks on 9/11, but something that is nonetheless traumatic on the nation as a whole. | | | |
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3. anniepa (11669)
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3 years ago
| | I'm so thankful this turned out as it did and I agree, it could easily have had a far different ending. Like most Americans, I've been following this story but I must confess, with the Easter holiday weekend, I hadn't followed it as closely over the weekend as I normally would have. I agree our new President did good in this and I also want to say you did good, Ted, in giving this fair assessment of the events that unfolded and in giving credit where it's due to President Obama. I'll tell you what, I'd sure never want to be forced to make decisions like this but all concerned made the right ones, in my opinion. I was amazed to hear earlier tonight about how many millions of dollars is paid in ransom to pirates each year worldwide. Many people I know had no idea pirates in this sense even really existed today! When they think of "pirates" they envision the "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride and movies and not something that's going on right now. I'm glad that in this real life story the pirates didn't prevail and I appreciate the efforts of all the unsung heroes involved in this. Annie | | | | | | |
ParaTed2k (6358)
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3 years ago
| | I've said I would give credit to Prs. Obama where I feel it's due, and in this case, he gets kudos from me without reservation. Yes, he made a really tough call in ordering the death of the pirates, but there is a much more important point here. He DID make the call. Nothing in his past experiences would have prepared him for this. He isn't a military man, nor has he been a governor. If he had been, then there could be a track record of life and death choices to look to. The fact he made this call is one of the first indicators we have of how he might handle bigger and more traumatic decisions. Issuing and order to authorize deadly force against a few pirates isn't the same as "pushing the button" or even requesting an declaration of war from Congress... but we all turn to our little victories when faced with bigger problems. This is a little victory that just might be preparing Obama for what Biden warned of. | | | |
anniepa (11669)
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3 years ago
| | I certainly agree that this isn't comparable to pushing the button or many other crises we may be faced with in the next few years. I hope this IS the toughest "test" our new President faces, not because I don't trust that he'll do the right thing but just because I hope he doesn't have to prove it which is the same thing I'd be hopoing about anyone in his position. Annie | | | |
AngryKittyMSV (1913)
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3 years ago
| | I also hope the world does not present many more "tests" of the President, but it is because I think that it would be nice if the rest of the word would finally stop funking with us for a while. They need to stop messing with Americans simply because they are American or they should feel the full force of our might. | | | |
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4. AngryKittyMSV (1913)
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3 years ago
| | Everyone behind the scenes did their job well and with good results, including our new President. Even I am willing to give credit where it is due, and I am pleased that the President handled this crisis well and that Captain Phillips is free. | | | | | | |
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5. kennyrose (5047)
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3 years ago
| | It is hard for me to believe as you and your responders has to this discussion being I have no proof what so ever to base my evaluation on in regaurd to Barack Obama being deeply involved in the drama at high sea. Obama told a news report when he was asked about the crisis at sea rudely he said he was their to talk about the housing crisis,had he not been arrogant and simply said I'm being brifed and on top of it I would had some reason to belive what was reported as after the fact. Obama relesed a white house statement last week saying he did not bow to the Saudi king most people with eyes know Obama flat out was lyeing he did bow to a Mulim king. Last year Obama cancelled his visit while in Germany with our wounded soliders then try to blame it on other people,the penagone released a statement saying Senator Barack Obama himself canceled the visit when he was told he could have no camera. So with absolutely no proof of what Barack Obama's true stand was I'm not so quick to jump on the band wagon. Because I know how much of a liar Barack Obama is and we all know how much of a liar our govenment can be,with out a speck of proof as to where Obama stood during the crisis I reserve giving him credit. I do know Obama wants to disarm our pilots and remove our gun rights,he is anti-terrorist,anti war,anti immigration,likes illegals in our country and expects hard working American tax payers to house and feed them and pay for their medical care,so far as Obama being looked at as a hero I can not jump on this band wagon because he was mum the whole time of the crisis. | | | | | | |
ParaTed2k (6358)
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3 years ago
| | I'm not jumping on anyone's bandwagon, and we'll see how this all plays out, but I'm also willing to call it as I see it. | | | |
kennyrose (5047)
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3 years ago
| | Ted, I said nothing about others jumping on this Obama credit band wagon,I always give credit where credit is due,this case i have zip proof so it is near impossible to give credit not having any real facts nor prooof other then after the crisis is over I'm being told Obama was all for killing the pirates,who can really say when so much has been done behind close door and Obama has proved to be a ball face liar. I do give much credit to our military and my prayers have been for the Navy seals that killed these three pirates and my prayers have been said for the three dead pirates and their family's,no human being is a worthless piece of flesh Christ died for the sins of all man kind. | | | |
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6. laglen (7665)
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3 years ago
| | I agree. President Obama for the most part does not impress me. But I feel he stepped up and made the right decision. I would like to say that if I were in tha position, I would have chosen the same. But people need to realize that there is always more information that what we get. I am very happy with his decision. | | | | | | |
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7. ladyluna (2495)
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3 years ago
| | Hello ParaTed, Bob Beckel declared this morning that Obama had a total of 17 meetings about this Capt. Phillips/pirate issue. Though, what constitutes a "meeting" is often no more than a query or a comment. At the onset, the president would have been asked by the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the authority to respond with military force. That decision would most surely have been granted early on, and would not have had to have been revisited, as the saga unfolded. I believe that all Americans have cause to celebrate the release of Capt. Phillips. I believe that U.S. Service men & women, as well as numerous law enforcement agents, as well as Capt. Phillips himself and perhaps certain of his crew are deserving of a hero's praise. If this incident demonstrates that President Obama did his job well, I'm not seeing how. I'm also not suggesting that he didn't do his job well. I'm simply a bit confused over how this incident, in any way demonstrates that Obama did his job well. Can anyone imagine any president refusing to grant the Joint Chiefs the authority to use military force in a situation such as the one? I see no circumstance where that permission would have ever been witheld, by even the most 'dove' of presidents. Frankly, I will withold judgement of Obama's performancer to wit, unless and until I learn that he used the power of the office in direct state to state level negotiations with either Somalia directly, or neighboring African nations in an effort to pressure Somalia into constricting the potential for an increase in aggression from other pirates who nest in Somalia's port cities. Or, some other direct intervention. As it is, we have no corroboration that Obama did anything but grant permission to the Joint Chiefs for them to do what they do best. To be fair to Obama, now is his time to either shine or not. What he does now, the decisions and the policy initiatives that stem henceforth, after the fact, will be a much better indicator of how 'involved' he may or may not have been. What makes me skeptical is Hillary Clinton's early response, indicating that this piracy incident was "criminal", as opposed to the first nautical attack on USA sovereignty in approximately 200 years! If this whole issue of piracy is allowed to by defined by the designation of criminality, then I have very low expectations for what Obama actually did over the course of the past few days, as well as what I expect from him in the future, as it pertains to this issue. Perhaps I'm missing something. If so, I sincerely welcome enlightenment. However, I remain befuddled over how this incident may be used to gauge President Obama's job performance, or even his direct involvement in the incident. Is my reservation based on the "we're talking housing" comment? Yes, of course it is. I find that response as truly surreal. It can certainly be interpreted in any number of ways. Though, it will likely 'dog' Obama as something that he will regret for a very long time to come. I was reminded of Obama's criticism of John McCain during the bailout debacle -- when McCain returned to DC and Obama remained on the campaign trail .... Obama suggested that a president should be able to do more than one thing at a time. Didn't Obama's 'we're talking the housing crisis' comment demonstrate a distinct inability to walk & chew gum at the same time? | | | | | | |
ParaTed2k (6358)
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3 years ago
| | I can think of at least one istance where a president refused to allow the level of force requested by the military... It ended with a US Ranger being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu... Somalia. | | | |
ladyluna (2495)
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3 years ago
| | Hello ParaTed, I see your Blackhawk down point. However, as I recall the order to use necessary force was not witheld. Rather, the authority to refuse a rescue attempt had more to do with 'timing' and organizational excuses. I may be recollecting that erroneously, and stand ready for correction in that regard. Yet, I do recall that the authority for necessary force was not declined. The condemnable debacle related much more to a total strategy failure. | | | |
ParaTed2k (6358)
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3 years ago
| | Bill Clinton issued an order refusing armor and airforce support for that operation. The coward was afraid such weapons would be "too high profile". He is as guilty for the deaths of those Rangers as the thugs that killed them. May his legacy be nothing more than the pinworm he is. | | | |
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8. irisheyes (3349)
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3 years ago
| | I also think he handled this well. I think not commenting or allowing the press to bate him was a smart move. Also, he trusted the military to handle things after he gave his order. This is the kind of calm, level headed leadership we could use more of and I hope he provides it. | | | | | | |
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9. barehugs (5855)
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3 years ago
| | As a Canadian, and Great Admirer of President Obama, let me say,"I told you so!" Congrats to Para Ted for having the guts to write this Post! I've maintained all along - Obama is the Greatest American President in the last 100 years. Even though President Obama would have done almost anything to save the Captain without taking a Life, he could find no way out of the situation, so He gave the order! God Save President Obama! | | | | | | |
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10. ddhawkins63 (371)
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3 years ago
| | I am really not sure what is so suprising that he would order it. I am glad that he did... But if someone can say it's okay to kill innocent babies through late term abortions, he had better not have to think twice about killing people who pose a threat to so many other peoples lives. It was a good move on his part but not one that deserves any extra noteriety. Many presidents have had to make much harder decisions and never gotten anything but bashed for it. | | | | | | |
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