is freemasonry a threat to true democracy?  

Thanks, your right Obama makes it look like he's from a log cabin!!!

Do they have log cabins in Kenya?

Shalom

One thing I learned about Masons when I was sailing in the Caribbean, was to try and always have a Mason onboard or at least nearby. If you ran into trouble, all you had to do was get a Mason to call his fellow Masons, and they all came to help no matter what, or how far. It was amazing and wonderful. Many times when there was an emergency, the Masons were there long before the Coast Guard or any other professional help. They even sent a helicopter once, to get a little child and her mother out of harms way. Someone in the group just happened to know a Mason pilot in Miami.

Shalom

Nice story...I sort of knew that they help each other out, but would they help a non-mason or just ignore the SOS?

I am a non Mason and they have helped me and my shipmates. That is why I said I always liked to know one was in the area.

Shalom

We never have a true choice for who we elect, the medias job is to shape our thoughts to push us towards two people so that we believe we are actually electing a president.

If you paid attention during the campaigns, you would have seen how the media did this. early during the campaign, the media focused on two people, an unknown jr. senator from Ill. Barack Hussein Obama, and John McCain the "maverick". The media wholeheartedly kept indorsing these two writing puff peices about them, prasing McCain and Obama, while criticising true conservatives like the Governor of Utah. Then once there two guys were picked, they quickly turned about face and began criticising McCain. The problem was John McCain was not looseing ground, McCain was never to be a serious contender, so he made another little known governor his running mate, Sarah Palin. This was sure to cost him his election. But to the Medias surprise, the people began to connect with her, so then they had to go on a campaign of seek and destroy. They made allegations that were not substantiated, when that did not work McCain's OWN people began to "leak" information about her, her wardrobe and how "difficult she was to work with. This is what they needed to finaly break the hold of conservatives and get Barack Obama elected. So does any body really believe they helped to elect a president? No they were manipulated and lead like sheep to a slaughter.

Also Obama's claim to the bloodline is not legitimate, because his claim is through his mother, not his father who is of a totally different bloodlines. Obama is a usurper.

I appreciate your no nonsense, informative response. You couldn't have said it better. I have read a book about that Merovingian bloodline, I can remember some of it - mentioning the last emporor was a French King in the 1300's!!!! Also, that Germany was involved in this bloodline, I have also read about Prince Albert who ensured all his family married into all the royal families of various countries in Europe - gaining the title Grandfather of Europe. His grand daughter is Queen Elizabeth, she is part of this bloodline I assume being the Grand Master of World Freemasonry, is it possible that she is the main heir in the world? I know that her surname is apparently Saxon-Gotha-Coburg and that Coburg palace is a wonderous place, It just goes on and on LOL.

The older names of the bloodlines are wellknown, the MontClairs, Sturts and Rothchilds, but other influincial bloodlines include these who are intermaried with the older bloodlines. many of these bloodlines can be found in the news organisations, and holliwood. When you controle the media, you controle the minds of the masses. Todays most influinsial bloodlines are:

1. The Astor Bloodline:
2. The Bundy Bloodline:
3. The Collins Bloodline:
4. The DuPont Bloodline:
5. The Freeman Bloodline:
6. The Kennedy Bloodline: The Kennedy family abounds with marriages to names such as Anketells, Baileys, Booths, Buckleys, Collins, Hatfields, Humphreys, Freemans, James, Phelps, Reagans, Russells, and Smiths. The Kennedys that we will look closest at are related to the Fitzpatricks, a powerful Irish family whose coat of arms has 3 fleur-de-lis with a dragon and a lion. (The Fitzpatricks may tie back to France, and they may possibly part of the Sang Royal (Sangraal--Sang Raal is the term used in the older manuscripts which can mean both Royal bloodline or Holy Grail.) They are descendants of Brian Born (also known as Brian Caeneddi) and his nephew who spelled it Cinneide. The name thereafter was O’Kennedy. They originally were a Dalcassion sept, and were in the area near Killahoe, and Killokennedy parish is a reminder of that ancient fact. The O’Briens and MacNamaras forced them into new territories where they became the Lords of Ormond--what is now north Tipperary. Most Kennedys in Ireland today are still found in that area. The Kennedys remained powerful into the 16th century.

The Kennedy family divided up into 3 branches: 1. Don (brown) 2. Fionn (fair) 3. Rua (red)


7. The Li Bloodline:
8. The Onassis Bloodline:
9. The Reynolds bloodline:
10. The Rockefeller Bloodline:
12. The Russell Bloodline:
13. The Van Duyn Bloodline:

These fmilies are not as well known as the older families but still wild much power, and have intermarried throughout the years to also keep the bloodline secure.

So where does Obama fit in? Obama has least six other former U.S. presidents, including President George W. Bush and his father, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman and James Madison in his genealogy. He is also related to Robert E. Lee, His lineage also stretches across the Atlantic, where he can count former Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill as a cousin, though most of the ancestry from Obama's mother's side is from the southern and mid-Atlantic states. Barack Obama great, great uncle was once owned by Hillary Rodham Clinton's great, great, great second cousin. In fact if I gave a whole list of people he is related to it would be a who's who list of royalty, senators, congressmen, actors, authors and so on. He is well connected.

I believe you mean Brian Boru. Yep, that's my family. We also hear the scream of the bean sidhe (banshee) before one of us passes away. Sometimes we sacrifice people in wicker baskets. Ah the life of the Irish High Kings! Erin Go Braugh!

De reir a cheile a thogtar na caisleain

I'm a Don Vihn, brown poet, later translated Donovan. I have no idea what you said Irish, but My younger daughter speaks gaelic.

It takes time to build castles.

And even longer to build empires

That could very well be except I was only translating the Irish for X.

Yes "De reir a cheile a thogtar na caisleain", I was just saying it takes longer to build empires,
Slán agus beannacht leat

Ah, got ya! Sorry, missed that one. My bad. I'm just learning. I'll have to remember that one. My Irish cussing is much better.

I was saying "Goodbye and blessings with you", Tá fáilte romhat. "your welcome", Bain taithneamh as an deireadh seachtaine "Enjoy the weekend"

Wow, nice 1 guys for bringing my discussion to life, this is great - there is only one bit of gaelic I know without a translator: ceade mille failte! which means one hundred thousand welcomes!!! PS irishidid - you are actually part of that family?

Actually I'm O'Neill clan, so the relation to a high king is true. The rest, who knows? I was adopted so I don't know much about my ancestry except what I learned from family I've met. Honestly, I've had an interesting life without all the rest, including things that I'm pretty sure have never happened to anyone else. There are those I've considered sticking in a wicker basket. Like an ex husband.
I've been trying to learn Irish Gaelic but haven't had much time to concentrate on it. I can say "excuse me" in Irish. Just can't spell it!

My grandfather was a mason. I've considered joining The Eastern Star and still may in the future.

I've thought about it but I doubt I ever will join up, I struggle sorting myself out, never mind swearing allegiance to an order of some sort, I appreciate the fact that they do some good, after all there has to be more good in the world than bad. Thanks for the response.

I appreciate that Obama maybe rich, but I didn't know until you told me - I mean obviously the guys got some serious connections, he walked that election!!! Apparently he's connected through his geneaology to many of the elite, typical!!

You say Kennedy's concerns are moot, I can guess what you mean by moot - but how has this slang word come about? - i am interested to know!

I dont understand what you mean by tin-foil hat, could you explain it? I do understand that you are obviously very experienced in this field! I had a look at the site you suggested and a click on a couple of links, I must say I would need a lot more time to read through the information presented. Seeing the many references to anti-semitism, it puts me off reading it because I have no interests at all in either semitism or anti-semitism, I have no opinion on these matters because I am not religious at all, therefore I am not tied to any particular religious movement. This also enables me to look at freemasonry with an absolute unbiased approach, thats why I am asking these questions on Mylot, because I want opinions and information so I can eventually form my own opinion. Thanks for responding, but please don't come at me from a religious point of view - thats not why I am here.

He's speaking of people who make scull caps from aluminum foil so that their minds can not be manipulated by thought beams or have their thoughts read. Some people can see the problem 2+2= but never come to the correct solution.