Article rating experience on helium

@Canellita (12029)
United States
June 30, 2009 11:03am CST
Occasionally when rating articles at helium I will send a note to someone with a question or feedback on an article that has caught my interest. Also on occasion I will send suggestions for correcting typos and grammar, especially if the person is trying to leapfrog. This morning I did just that and as the saying goes "no good deed goes unpunished." The article was on cell phone use in classrroms and, as many of you know, rating is anonymous and you have no way of knowing which article is the newer version but in this case, both versions had a number of errors so I sent the author a note. Usually when you see certain types of errors the article is from someone for whom English is not the first languaage. In my note I suggested the person correct the errors and then resubmit the article and added that if English was not their first language they might try asking someone else to help them fix the grammar. Well, this morning I got this very irate and indignant response from a woman named Carol Ligi who was completely insulted by my note and said there were no errors in her article and(among other things) I must have been having a bad day to have been so malicious and told me she reported me to helium! I thought I had hit the wrong button or something until I remembered it was a leapfrog rate and searched helium to discover she was ranked 9 of I think 45 and guess what? There was a glaring verb error in the first paragraph! Check it out: Cell phones have become an inalienable part of daily lives. People have become use to being able to contact others at a moment's notice and it has become a part of our business and personal culture that is here to stay. I politely responded with this paragraph in my message with the error highlighted and told her she could feel free to forward my response to helium as well. Has anything like this ever happened to you?
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8 responses
@hotsummer (13919)
• Philippines
1 Jul 09
i am sorry that you had this little argument over this incident. but i don't know exactly the message you gave that offended the person. English is not my first language either. I know that the person is not a good writer and her article does not seem good either but i don't see any wrong spelling in it. i know there may be something wrong there but i can not pinpoint in which part she was wrong that need correction .oftentimes, telling other people that or saying English is not their first language is offending. and so sometimes it needs to be avoided. But i don't know either what the whole message she sent. so i can't say who offended who, maybe she really over reacted too and didn't take the criticism well.
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2 Jul 09
Would say that spelling mistakes are one of the major things that should be pointed out if they are spotted. They are often easier to remedy compared to grammatical errors and can make the difference between an article being completed read and rated highly, and one that is marked way down even if they content of the article is good
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
1 Jul 09
Basically she had some usage issues like the word "use" instead of the word "uses." Because I was looking at two articles side by side and both had glaring errors it was hard to vote for either one. You may not see the error, but she should have. (Scroll up through some of the other responses.) BTW, I didn't tell her she was ESL, I suggested that if English were not the first language she could ask an English speaker for assistance. And the reason she was upset over it was that apparently someone else saw the comment "publicly" before she did and thought it could have been insulting. The thing is almost everything we do and say is potentially insulting to someone. Every time I leave the house unescorted with my head and arms bare I am sure I am offended the sensibilities of a large faction of people who are Muslim. The fact that I speak in complete sentences and use standard informal English has for many years offended the sensibilities of schoolmates, teachers and others who are intimidated by anyone remotely sophisticated and take it out on me (and others like me) suggesting we somehow think we are better or that we are snobs. The world is full of immature people with a multitude of complaints that I can not take personally. But, I digress, LOL. I check my articles repeatedly as I work but sometimes errors escape me and I hate when it happens because they are usually the result of me being in a hurry and it is a sort of kin to carelessness. It's not that I am a perfectionist, I just know better so I should be more careful. I never learned all those proper grammer rules and I am sure I have split my share of infinitives or used double negatives and so forth. If someone looked at one of my articles and told me I had made a mistake I would react this way "Oh, shoot!" and I would try to figure out how I could fix it. One guy did email telling me to check my links but I had checked them meticulously before I posted the article so I replied asking if there was a specific link that was broken because this might mean a website change but he did not respond. Now when I include links I remind people that web pages and web sites change all the time and what's here today may be gone tomorrow. I have had editors change the wording in my articles for words they thought sounded better. The problem was the words did not mean the same thing which made me look like an idiot, especially in this one particular instance where the person I interviewed explained the difference between a movie soundtrack and an original score. (Still getting over that years later.) I am sure there are a number of people here who would be more than happy to help you with your writing. Just make sure that they only edit spelling and grammar and not your writing style.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
3 Jul 09
This is true. Even if the content of the article is good, if there are several mistakes it gives the impression the author has not been careful or is careless about spelling and this does not provide a professional presentation. It is only fair to writers who put in the hard work to hone their craft that an otherwise good article with many of these kinds of errors be voted against.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jul 09
haha Canellita, very comforted to know that there are worse writers than me! This is one of the reason I love to rate articles, just to find out how many writers write badly. Some writers have good command of English, but they cannot write logically. There is a sharp U-turn right in the middle of a paragraph. Some writers have worse English than this particular writer. I think most Helium writers are as passive as me, we just rate down the article, and hope that the writer leapfrog the badly written article.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jul 09
Frankly speaking, I hate to rate leapfrog articles, it is very hard to know why the writer wants to leapfrog in the first place. And sometimes they just change one or two words, and you have to compare sentence by sentence to dig out that one or two words. I try to avoid rating those articles.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
3 Jul 09
In almost 4 months of rating articles I think that I have seen maybe 5 that were actually re-written and qualified for leapfrogging. I am always amazed at how a person will try to leapfrog an article full of typos that they have not attempted to fix in the new version.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
1 Jul 09
There are some days when the rating is a pleasure and some days when it is literally a pain -- in my head. We all make mistakes but when you have a mistake in almost every paragraph that is not the result of being in a hurry or failing to proof a piece; that is a lack of a grasp of language usage. If both choices are not very good I will rate one slightly better so that I am voting against the one that is worse. Some days it is hard to choose.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 09
there is more than one error in that first paragraph, for one the sentences are too long and wordy. People are used to instant contact. That was all she needed to say in that first sentence.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 09
and she would be wrong after writing two books I had to learn how to write, and change my style to fit the style of the rest of the writing world. there are rules in writing whether she wants to accept them or not. one for article writing and book writing is word economy, she writes like she talks and that is not good professional writing.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
3 Jul 09
I completely agree with you on that case; people who write the way they speak drive me nuts. Sometimes I even ask my students to speak English, lol.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
1 Jul 09
LOL, she would tell you that it was a question of style! It occurred to me today while reading an article by a UK writer that English usage is sometimes markedly different across cultures. This article I was reading/rating was about school uniforms and an American writer would have said "uniforms" or "a uniform" where the UK writer said "School Uniform." These are small differences in most instances but sometimes the difference can change the comprehension of what is being read. It's an interesting thing to ponder.
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@mrtimharry (1180)
30 Jun 09
I have been on the other side of this experience, and did get annoyed when someone sent me a message about my article. I do like the fact that people are willing to point out my spelling and grammatical errors but the last one I got was one telling me that I had got my whole article wrong. Trouble was it was about Greek mythology one of my strongest subjects, and rather than do any research about it the commenter had just assumed that they were right and I was wrong. I did get worringly annoyed about it.
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30 Jun 09
woudl say that the use of use rather than used is the error, although I don't actually like the use of inalienable either.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
30 Jun 09
I think when she used inalienable she was trying to be different and stand out with an "intelligent" word as opposed to the informal humor that some people tend toward. In the other version of the article I believe the word of choice was something like undeniable.
@dvmurphy (326)
• United States
1 Jul 09
I was a top writer for awhile and was winning contests when I made the mistake of entering a contest on motorcycles. I was the top of the chain until another contester accused me of cheating and suddenly two of my top articles were deleted in the contest. I protested and left for awhile until they started bugging me to come back. The actions cost me the $75 in prize money and ticked me off. I adventually came back but I basically write for paying markets and rarely bother to rate except to keep my star rating high enough to compete in the marketplace. As a woman many of the competitors did not like the fact that a woman was kicking their butts in a motorcycle writing contest.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
30 Jun 09
They seriously need to screen some of their writers. LOL I have seen my own work being pushed back for some of the worst crap I've ever read along with the misspellings. No one will ever convince me that people don't get their friend to rate their stuff better than someone else. My latest work being a poem keeps getting tossed back and forth. Started at 2, went to 1, fell to 20, up to 11, down to 15. I read the other poems. Some are good and some are just terrible. A lot of raters have this warped idea that the longer a poem is the better. No, it's just longer.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
30 Jun 09
I don't have it in my profile, but here it is. Some of it I admit is crap, especially the recipes. I'm not above admitting that. http://www.helium.com/users/424078
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
1 Jul 09
I got it and thanks. Yeah, I know I can write but punctuation is my bane in life. I look for the best written article myself whether the punctuation is perfect or not. I do, however, count against those who put personal information where it doesn't belong. Like if someone is writing about quantum theory a story about their lost dog doesn't belong. I see way too much of that kind of thing at Helium. I definitely need the aid of an editor and thankfully I've hired one for my novel. I don't see the point in doing so for Helium.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
3 Jul 09
I submitted an article yesterday to an empty title that I checked, and checked and rechecked only to discover a glaring error in the last paragraph after I posted! I considered asking for a typo fix but as long as I am the only one with an article for that title I figure I may as well leave it alone. Hard to let it go though, lol.
• Netherlands
9 Jul 09
It has never happened to me on Helium as I am not a member YET! But I have had similar things happen to me on other sites and when they do I feel like why did I even bother? Unfortunately after a few of these I have adopted this attitude so I do not try to help anyone out anymore as it seems that I always get bit in the behind when I do! As always, good luck to you on Helium!
• Netherlands
24 Jul 09
That's a good sign then as you do not suffer as a general rule with people always complaining! I'm glad to hear that!
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
10 Jul 09
Usually people either do not respond or they look at the article and see it needs updating. This is the only time I have been told I must have been having a bad day!
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
24 Jul 09
I have actually received some really nice feedback on a couple of my own articles from one of the editors. Very encouraging.
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@yugasini (12892)
• Secunderabad, India
30 Jun 09
hi canellita, no such thing happened to me till now if any body do good to me, thanks for them, thanks for the discussion
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Hello Canellita...similar things have happened, yes, but not on Helium, not yet anyway. I am always grateful for constructive criticism or advice, as are most professional writers. And believe me, if one cannot take criticism, one should not go into any creative field! You tried to do this person a favor, after all. Perhaps Helium will back you up. I've rated many articles that are full of errors, and I cannot help but wonder if the writer has even bothered to proof-read or check them. I make errors, too, as well all do. But some do so too frequently to be taken as serious writers. Karen
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Believe it or not, I responded very nicely to her email which only further peeved her and she said that others (plural) had seen my comments "publicly" before she had and that they (whoever they are) felt the comment about if "English isn't your first language..." was negative. She also reiterated that I must be having a bad day because I apparently had a need to vent (ha ha) and assured me this was to be her last communication with me.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
3 Jul 09
I don't know but she said that "others" had seen it first.
• United States
1 Jul 09
Hm, some people are not used to politeness :D I don't know how anyone else would have seen a private note sent to her. She may be more embarrassed by her own lack than by your effort to help her correct that lack. If she wishes to succeed on Helium, she will need to write within their guidelines!
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