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myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant5 months ago

There is a British midwife called Dr Denis Walsh. He is a man and a midwife, nothing wrong with that right? Not at all, in fact I am sure that he is a very good midwife...Until he opens his mouth!

Dr Walsh has made statements claiming that women who take drugs or have epidurals during child birth are “Taking the easy way out”.

Wait...There’s more...This lovely man who, because he is a man has never given birth, believes that it is only after enduring the intense pain of childbirth that a woman can properly bond with her baby. Do you believe this guy?

In reply to the argument that the pain can at times be unbearable he suggests using yoga, hypnosis or massage for relief instead of medication.

This is a link to an article titled “Brave man tells women in labour to toughen up because pain relief is for wussbags.”

http://mamamia.com.au/weblog/2009/07/male-midwife-tells-women-in-labour-to-harden-the-f-up-and-that-pain-relief-is-for-wussbags/comments/page/15/
NOTE: NOT A REFERRAL LINK

I have a daughter and she was born by caesarean; it was not my choice to have the operation but it would have been dangerous for her to arrive in any other way. I had an epidural so that I could be awake for the experience and for that I am thankful because I was able to see her as soon as she was taken out of me. I bonded with my baby immediately even though the birth itself was relatively painless, at least until the drugs wore off!

I say Dr Walsh should not speak again until he has something valuable to say or grows a uterus. What do you think?


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tags:  idiot, dr walsh, denis walsh, childbirth without drugs, bonding with baby
 
1. myLot reputation of 96/100. AmbiePam (15271)   ranked 122 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

Okay, who wants to shoot him? Anyone? 'Cause I'm thinking I'd be willing to consider it...


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

Me first! He doesn't know...He is a doctor but trust me, he doesn't know! Thanks Pam!


myLot reputation of 99/100. mimpi1911 (8086)   ranked 579 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

Me too!

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. Wizzywig (2756)   ranked 358 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

If he'd actually said women in labour should "toughen up because pain relief is for wussbags", I would be fighting to be first in the queue to feed his testicles into the bacon slicer but the sensationalist wording of the headline makes me wonder if its just the media trying to stir us up. That said, I think whatever comment he did make will make women feel that they have somehow failed if they accept pain relief. I had one child with an epidural (on medical advice due to high blood pressure) and one with gas and air. Both were painful, though the one with epidural less so. I bonded immediately with both sons and they are still the most precious and important part of my life some 20 years on.
Maybe the lack of pain would somehow de-personalise the experience for some people (?) but I daresay that Dr Walsh would want to go through it without pain relief... unless he is a masochist as well as a sadist!


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

The title of the article did infuriate me, I admit. I get annoyed when men, who have never had a period and the pain that can go with it, comment on experiences that only women can relate to.
I have seen a doctor in regards to those pesky midlife hot flushes some of us are blessed with and when I explained to him I could not stand the discomfort anymore he blamed them on my stress level and told me that if I relaxed they would improve, "After all how bad can they be?" he said. angry


Thanks for responding Wizzywig,I appreciate it.

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3. myLot reputation of 92/100. dpk262006 (8876)   ranked 503 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

Hi Paula!
I do not agree with the statement of Dr. Walsh. I believe that bonding between a child and mother has nothing to do with the method of delivery either its natural or otherwise. No relation could be as strong as mother-child.


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

That is exactly how I feel deepak, thanks for responding. happy


myLot reputation of 92/100. dpk262006 (8876)   ranked 503 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

Paula!
It is my pleasure!thumbup

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4. myLot reputation of 93/100. TLChimes (1641)   ranked 588 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

I'm with you... having done it all three ways.... The first word I taught me second hubby after we found out about our surprise was epidural. Mind you she was my 5 birth (two I lost shortly after) I knew what was to come.


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

Hi Chimes! I am sorry about the loss of your babies... No one can possibly know what it feels like unless you are a woman and you have done it. I have only been able to have one child due to fertility problems and as I mentioned it was by cesarean so I can't even comment on your experiences, let alone a man! Thanks for responding!happy

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. mipen2006 (2432)   ranked 551 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

Hi paula, I saw the doctor on a short interview, and he stated he was misquoted in the acticle which has been repeated in newspapers all around the world. I think he was on Sunrise, or one of our morning programs, and the femeles were as angry, and saying the same things as you, before he had his chance to defend himself. After he told his side, snd what he said, not what was reported, they were sympethic toward him. This is a case of a British tabloid, misquoting someone to sell papers, and they have succeeded, just as they have succeeded to ruin the poor doctor'e reputation. I do agree with you that no man should judge the amount of pIN woman goes through when bringing a new child into this world.


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

Really? I must get a hold of that! It is a shame if he was misquoted and surely he can appreciate women's anger. I would love to hear his explanation. No one likes to take unnecessary medication but childbirth pain can be extreme and it is an individual choice. Thanks for your input mipen. I will try to find the doctor's explanation if I can. Thanks again for stopping by!happy

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6. myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (15199)   ranked 257 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

well, I've never had a child, but I have to agree with you - yes, women have endured millions of years of painful child birth - why should be have to endure one more minute?

GROW a BRAIN, stupid - or have them YOURSELF!

Seems only fair to me that if a man wants a kid, he gets to carry it for 9 months and then deliver it!


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

lol So true! I could only have one and to have more would have entailed more years of gruelling and invasive fertility treatment. When my husband started going on about a second one I said, "Go right ahead...Just don't involve me or any other woman!"
Thanks ElicBxn!

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7. myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2598)   ranked 359 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

Paula-

My oldest was born without the use of drugs, and the other five I had epidurals with. I can't say that I was without pain, issues, or the like. Though it was not quite as bad there were issues. I had an epidural headache with one birth because during the insertion the needle went too deep causing a small leak. I had to get another epidural, and a blood patch. With the last two miracle births (those two from this marriage after my cance- I actually was pregnant with our son during my cancer surgery-we had no clue I was pregnant)I had epidurals and some issues during the delivery with blood pressure dropping to the point of almost blacking out.

I certainly do not feel that I am not bonded to my other children any differently then I am with my oldest. Each birth is unique in its own right, and even if we are not screaming out in agnony of childbirth does not mean that we are without that connection that occurs between mother and child. We've spent 9 months connecting, that the birth is the climax, in a sense of all of our labors.

I would agree that Dr. Walsh needs to do an extensive study before he decides to share his "opinion". My thoughts are that he would find there is no correlation between natural/drug births and parent/child bond.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

That is my point exactly, Anora.
You sure have had a couple of very special miracles haven't you? That is amazing. If a child is meant to come to you he or she will no matter what. My precious girl came to me at a time when I could not have any children and she's my miracle.
You are right; most mothers start bonding with the baby from the minute they find out they are pregnant.
I have found out that Dr Walsh claims he was misquoted; I would love to know how!
Thanks for being here, I appreciate it and I hope all is well with you now. happy

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8. myLot reputation of 53/100. superaren (172)   5 months ago

Thanks anyways for responding.


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

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9. myLot reputation of 99/100. mimpi1911 (8086)   ranked 579 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

Some people just do not know what they are speaking and what impact that could have on humans. They just let it out. Horrible inferences of Dr Walsh! He needs a full time course in it.


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

Dr Walsh has since defended himself and said he was misquoted, I would love to know how...It sounds to me as if he should have given his ideas more thought before he made a statement. Thanks for responding mimpi!happy

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10. myLot reputation of 94/100. sid556 (10585)   ranked 542 out of 1,142 in been pregnant   5 months ago

I had an epidural with my first child. The pain was so intense and while I would have liked to have gone natural...once put in that position...I really could not do it. Well, I guess if I didn't have the choice, I'd have lived thru it but it was such a relief. I had endured the pain and the epidural was given in the last hour of labor. I had it lucky & only endured that intense pain for a short time as opposed to some women who are in it for hours and hours. My next 3 children came quickly and there was no time for meds. Even then the pain was very intense. My oldest one...is fine and we are very very close. I never felt that it lessoned the bonding in any way at all. I don't think any man could ever be a judge of something like this.


myLot reputation of 100/100. paula27661 (5212)   ranked 446 out of 1,142 in been pregnant  5 months ago

You are right no man could have any idea in regards to giving birth or a mother's bonding with her baby. What we plan to do is not always what comes about when the time comes. I wanted a natural childbirth and wouldn't have minded pain relief but I had to have a caesarean because my little girl was breech and small; the doctor informed me that it was not safe to have her naturally and that was what I wanted I would have had to find another hospital because they did not deem it safe. I agreed with the doctor because I wanted my baby out safely. The birth's pain was not too bad but I was in agony for the next week especially once I got home and forgot to pick up painkillers on the way! Like you I bonded just fine. Thanks for responding sid556!happy

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