Do you agree with this?
@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
United States
August 16, 2009 3:37pm CST
I am going to post a statement made by a famous American, but I'll not tell you who said it until you tell me if you agree with it or not and why. Here it is:
[b]"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to disagree with any administration."
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Do you think Americans have the right to disagree with the actions of whatever administration happens to be in office at any time? Or should they only be permitted to speak out against SOME administrations but not others?
Do you know who said the above quote? Will it make a difference to you when you find out who said it?
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17 responses
@wmraul (2552)
• Bucharest, Romania
16 Aug 09
I am not american.
Your quote sound like Henry David Thoreau.
As about the right to dissagree with administration, I strongly belive is sure a right and - if you really want to be usefull - is quite a duty. No matter american, british, indian or from wherever ..
@urbandekay (18278)
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16 Aug 09
Not Thoreau someone much more recent, though Thoreau would have agreed, no doubt he would have expressed it more eloquently and succinctly.
all the best urban
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
16 Aug 09
OK, I won't make you wait any longer, it was actually said by Hillary Clinton in 2003. What I want to know from all the people who are speaking so much hatred of the people who currently express disagreement with the CURRENT administration is, don't her words still mean the same thing NOW? If it was good enough for THEM, it should be good enough for the rest of us!
@wmraul (2552)
• Bucharest, Romania
16 Aug 09
Martin Luther King ?
However, Thoreau wouldn't agree, Thoreau SAID IT actually .. "A true patriot is ready to give his life to protect his country against government". Thoreau's "Civil disobedience" is/was a "holly book" for many people ..
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
17 Aug 09
It was Hillary Clinton in 2003. I wonder if she still believes those words now that she's working for an administration that is actively seeking to silence dissent and encourages Americans to turn each other in to the government for saying things the administration doesn't like?
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@urbandekay (18278)
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16 Aug 09
All should have the right and indeed the duty to speak out against the administration. However, contained within that right and duty is the requirement to veracity; if you criticise the administration be sure that you have understood the matter to the best of your ability and checked your sources thoroughly.
all the best urban
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
16 Aug 09
Thank you for your response, I agree, you should not just blindly raise the rallying cry to protest unless you know exactly WHAT you are protesting and WHY.
@Fortunata (1135)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Yeah, it does make a difference, Kitty, lol, because this came out of Hillary's pie hole. But I do think people have a right to disagree with any administaton, Democrat or Republican.
@okkidokitokki (1736)
• United States
16 Aug 09
I have no idea who originally said this but I completely agree. What is the point in living in a free country if you are not going to excercise that freedom with healthy debate and voicing your opinion, even if it is not in agreement with whom ever may be in office.
I think it is unpatriotic to refuse to use your brain and just go with the flow.
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
16 Aug 09
I agree with you. Hillary Clinton said it, by the way.
@pushkin69 (546)
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17 Aug 09
I agree that anyone should be able to speak out there views in a diplomatic mannor. America as a country claims to be the land of the free, this should apply to all aspects of live including the freedom to express themselves. I come from the UK and I am interested in whether people do really have the arena and right in which to express themselves as freely as they would like?
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I did not know who said it but I absolutely agree BTW I still think Hillary would have made a much better president than Ibn Barack Hussein Obama.
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@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
17 Aug 09
That's why there's freedom of speech, my friend. I believe we can effectively agree to disagree and we can discuss what we disagree about. No, it shouldn't only be with some and not with others. We should be able to disagree or should be able to discuss policies in USA.
I don't think it matters who said it because that person is right. It could be almost anyone that I think of. Cheers!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
17 Aug 09
I cheated a bit and looked the quote up and found it was Hilary Clinton that said this--found it via Youtube that has a rather non-flattering slideshow of photos of her..LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
This idea is nothing new really...people have been looked down upon if they disagree with an administration or even dare to openly protest....this goes back to the Vietnam era when "hippies" protested against the war...and were considered anti-American--I know... I was "one" of those hippies 



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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
17 Aug 09
I have a lot of friends in my hometown who were Viet Nam Vets who were spit on, called "baby killers" and horribly harassed and maligned by hippies when they finally got home (most of the guys I know came home INJURED to boot, only to suffer NASTY attacks from the misguided hippies). I sure do hope you weren't one of THOSE types of hippies!
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Good heavens no
...I WAS against the war but never the men involved fighting it--
...I WAS against the war but never the men involved fighting it--1 person likes this
@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
17 Aug 09
I was hoping you'd say that, especially considering the fact that a large portion of them were DRAFTED into that war and had no choice about going.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
28 Sep 09
[b]Some intolerant, mealymouthed, hypocritical, lying lib--oh wait, that's redundant--said it. In fact, several did.
I say speak when you want to about anything you want to, no matter who doesn't like it.
Confrontational? Moi? 

Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]


Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]1 person likes this
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
28 Sep 09
[b]I should've added I agree with the thought thoroughly, but unfortunately, Hillary doesn't. No Leftist mouthing those words means it. I mean, it's just their Saul Alinsky training speaking!
Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
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@semicolonp (518)
• Philippines
17 Aug 09
Jon Stewart? I'm not really all that knowledgeable about America/n/'s famous people, but the quote sounded like him so I opted to guess (haven't read the other posts either :p)
As for whether I agree or not, that's not even a question. There has never been an administration from any country that has run their course perfectly. And being given minds with which to perceive the world and come to our own ideas, I can't see why someone shouldn't voice dissent regarding actions that they disagree with. Being rulers don't exempt anyone from transparency and doing their responsibilities, after all. It's just the opposite, actually: there is a need to be more transparent and accountable.
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Hillary Clinton said it, under the previous administration. Now that she is working for the current administration which is taking unprecedented steps to SILENCE dissent, I wonder if she'd still stand by that statement.
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@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
26 Sep 09
Nobody will say that they think the right to disagree should be selective. What they will say is that when someone disagrees with their preferred administration, that person is out of bounds. There are limits. Dissension is not sedition. And sedition is not right, no matter who is advocating for it.
But, everyone in the United States has the right to speak their mind (within some limits) without fear of governmental reprisal. It is our duty to voice our beliefs regardless of where they fall and not villify those who do not concur.
I know who said it. I also know why she said it. Does it matter? No. The words stand on their own. However, it would be nice if people would start actually meaning them as opposed to doing lip service.
@LetranKnight25 (33117)
• Philippines
17 Aug 09
I can't believe this is happening. some one who got off the wrong foot here. and for what's more, it choses me
. well, i am a bit pissed but i don't think it's in my position to be that angry. sometimes answering to a provoke discussion can even lead you to harder consequences.leave him be. feed the troll ( i think ) it will get strong, leave it hungry and it will die.
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@LetranKnight25 (33117)
• Philippines
17 Aug 09
sorry. i posted the wrong response..but regarding to your discussion. in my country that has always been the case since politicians or lawmakers tend to make law s of initiative that only served the elites and not the poor.if they started questioning, that could lead to another never ending debate.

@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
17 Aug 09
angrykitty yes I do and we do have that right and its not
unpatriotic at all. but w hat if we do not disagree with'this a dmininstration and some mylotters flame me for saying I am'
for obama, have I a right to my opinion and to state it if
a dozen or more mylotters think otherwise? I mean I respect all of'
us and our opinions as I know we will not all agree on any one
'thing but do the disagreers have the right to say vile things to me on mylot? I dont know who said that but I m glad he did say it.
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