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75% of OK High School Students Can't Name First U.S. President!! email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics4 months ago

Is that pathetic or what??? I'm not picking on the kids and I don't mean to single out Oklahoma; I'd bet if there have been similar surveys in other states the results would have been similar. (Note to Taskr and some of my other friends here from the right: I didn't use a liberal hate-blog this time.)

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Quite a few years ago my sister-in-law told me this story about her niece, who had just graduated from high school at the time with high honors and had earned a full academic scholarship to a very good university; there was a conversation about the Revolutionary and Civil Wars and this highly intelligent girl made the comment of, "Well, aren't they the same thing?". This lack of knowledge about our own nation's history is nothing new but I'm afraid it's getting worse all the time. People are so quick to liken one of our current leaders - whether it's Bush, Obama or anyone else - to Adolph Hitler without having a real clue just how evil Hitler was. So many seemingly well-informed and intelligent Americans have no idea what any of our wars were about.

If you have teenage children or grandchildren, how would they measure up against this group of OK kids? My grandkids are in seventh and eighth grade and I intend to start "quizzing" them now and then and giving them a history lesson myself if necessary! What say you?

Annie

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 94/100. cobrateacher (4232)   ranked 122 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

Hi, Annie!
It's appalling, but history has suffered, geography has totally died, and many other classes have disappeared because schools must give their time to teaching not much more than the state-wide tests on which schools are judged. Their existence is pinned to those tests, even if kids can't do anything else!


myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

You're absolutely right. I know several teachers pretty well and also some parents of teachers and that's their biggest complaint - it's all about the tests and tests don't always mean a thing. Even when I was in school I don't think enough attention was given to American history. I mean, I certainly learned about George Washington and the Revolutionary and Civil wars but it seemed like we went over many of the same things year after year and never even really got into either of the World Wars. We had civics in ninth grade and "Problems of Democracy" in 11th but that was IT as far as civics and government. Now I guess it's all lumped into "social studies" and judging from some of my grandson's homework last year it's a bunch of BS.

Annie


myLot reputation of 94/100. cobrateacher (4232)   ranked 122 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

When I was in school the dinosaurs still roamed the earth. We learned a lot of history, and there was a course required for all Floridians that I wish had not been declared unconstitutional. It was Communism vs Americanism, engendered by the events in Cuba in the early 60s. Now there's so much misinformation, and people believe it because they never learned the facts. In my English classes, the focus is on British literature, and the kids actually enjoy the history I include with the literature.

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2. myLot reputation of 60/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 404 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

I experienced one of the reasons for this myself. The teacher seemed to be all about making sure everyone in the class understood that there is no American culture, that there was nothing disinctive about the United States of America and patriotism was inherently racist.

I guess we've all had teachers that peppered their lessons with bits and pieces of their own opinions and that is probably natural. However, what I also noticed was how the class took all this in. Being in my 40s, I guess was born too late to be taught things like this when I was in school, but it was nothing new to the other students. It was pretty much what they had been taught from elementary school on. There were some exeptions, me, homeschooled kids, private school graduates... and yes, a couple of kids from public schools who had been taught the same things, but didn't drink the kool aid.




myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

I graduated in 1970 and I don't recall any of my teachers trying to indoctrinate us in any way. Back then I didn't know of any home schooled kids. I don't know if there weren't any or I just didn't know of them. I'm PRETTY sure most everyone in my class would have been able to answer that question! At least, I hope so. I can't remember not knowing who George Washington was.

Annie


myLot reputation of 60/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 404 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

Yeah, it 70 most would. In 82 when I graduated most could also. I took this class just a few years ago though.

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3. myLot reputation of 46/100. iriscot (740)   ranked 567 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

A few years ago I was in our local library and the students there were doing research about the Civil War. I asked one of the 6th graders what he knew about World War II, he looked at me funny and then I asked if he knew who won WWII. He had no clue. I don't know what they are teaching these children about the history of our country? They have a class called "Social Studies" and I have no idea what they teach in this class, as they no longer teach American History in the grade schools. More and more of our tax dollars are thrown at the school system and it looks like the schools have been dropping the ball!


myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

Apparently it's not just my region that no longer teaches history or geography. I have no idea what they actually teach in social studies either. I do remember last year for homework my grandson, in 7th grade at the time, had to list 40 different items they had in their home. They all had to be different - they could only use "TV" once no matter how many they had or "cat" (They have a bunch, like me...lol) or "table", etc. I guess they discussed it in class so some of the kids could be envious of others who had more "stuff"!

Annie

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4. myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4631)   ranked 395 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

I really can't fathom how anyone can get to highschool without knowing these things. You'll always have stupid kids, or ones that just aren't interested in American History, but when this happens on such a massive level, someone really needs to monitor these classrooms and figure out what's going wrong.

Just to be clear, I mean the STATE needs to look into it, the federal department of education is useless and only makes things worse when they get involved.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3505)   ranked 94 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

It's really easy to "fathom" and it doesn't have anything to do with the classroom teachers. It's the damn state mandated testing. The teachers have to teach to the test they have no time to teach the kids items that aren't on the test. And, it is on the federal level because "NCLB" is the cause of this.


myLot reputation of 46/100. iriscot (740)   ranked 567 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

There is a state board that decides the school curriculum in our state, and it stinks!


myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

I must agree with Zeph on this, Taskr. I know a lot of people don't think the federal government should have anything to do with education but I think we need some kind of national standards for high school curricula since many kids go to college outside of their own states and many leave their home states following graduation. If each state were to decide for themselves what kids needed to know to get a high school diploma there would be a big difference between one state and another.

You're right that there will always be "stupid kids" and those who aren't interested in different subjects but I'm afraid it's just that American history isn't hardly even being taught these days.

Annie

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. Opal26 (10002)   ranked 789 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

Hey annie! Now that is really pathetic! I wonder if they
know who's picture is on the one dollar bill and why? How
sad is that? I mean I can name the presidents in the exact
order that they were seated from the very beginning and I
am ashamed of that, but at least I do know the Presidents and
the definitely the very first one! It has gotten to be so
pathetic how the teachings of children are now! I wasn't very
good in history because I wasn't able to remember dates,
but I sure as hell had to remember enough of them to get from
grade to grade or I never would have gotten out of high school
and surely never would have made it into college!


myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

It sure is sad! I doubt if they know who is on the penny either! I once could name all the Presidents and Vice Presidents plus I could go through all the states and capitals and find them on a map. I'd need a "refresher" course today in my old age but at least I learned it...lol!

Annie

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6. myLot reputation of 93/100. stephcjh (22851)   ranked 344 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

That is so sad that these kids do not know this information. I will have to ask my daughter also. she is 17 and will graduate this year. I want to see if she knows the answer to that question also.


myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

Here's hoping she's had good teachers!

Annie

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7. myLot reputation of 63/100. greatsasuke (267)   ranked 2,942 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

This situation is sad. I believe it is partly due to the downfall of the value system. What I mean is children these days place more value in the name of the new PS3 games than they do in the names of any of our past presidents. History keeps teaching lessons, but it doesn't seem that we learn from them. That is why it is important for children to know a bit of history to see what has worked in the past and what hasn't. Your idea on quizzing your grandkids is good? Maybe it can be done when everyone is together like at dinner or something like that. It probably would do some of the adults some good, as well.



myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

You're probably right about doing the adults some good! To be honest, I've already had conversations with my own daughter, who is very intelligent and was an excellent student, and have been surprised to learn some of the things she didn't know about our history. I think our education system has been on a steady decline for several decades and now we're reaping what we sowed.
Annie

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8. sawyer123 (6)   ranked 4,197 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

forget history means betray,when you have a drink and you should know where the water come from.


myLot reputation of 46/100. iriscot (740)   ranked 567 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

What are you talking about?

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9. myLot reputation of 91/100. cr0ssf41r13 (640)   ranked 2,046 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

This thing isn't unique to America. Philippines, being a rich country, has a very rich history which is, by now, unimportant to the students.

I believe the fault is in the educational system and the teachers. There are instructors who skip the most important information for the sake of self-serving. For example, he doesn't like revolutions so he won't discuss those. The thing is, teachers are existing to guide the students on learning. The problem is, the students rely solely on these teachers that the teachers tend to spoonfeed the information to the kids. The kids will stop questioning, saying that they will soon learn everything in school. Actually, they won't.

I have experienced a professor revising a part of history. Hideous isn't it? He altered a few names and few instances in order to fit his liking. I then discovered in the encyclopedia that what happened was the opposite.

I don't think we cannot blame the kids, but they are young and are not too conscious about their right to information. What we need is the reorientation of the teachers. The knowledge of the kids today lie on the guidance provided by the teachers. This matter is very crucial.


myLot reputation of 91/100. cr0ssf41r13 (640)   ranked 2,046 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

Typo. I meant, "Philippines, being a poor country"

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10. myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3505)   ranked 94 out of 6,387 in politics   4 months ago

Well with the "NCLB" act the school and that standardized testing actually does leave a lot of children "behind". I'm pretty involved in the schooling of my children and I use to work at the county school board so during this time I have heard over and over that the school doesn't really have time to teach children stuff that isn't on the test. When I first heard that "NCLB" was being passed I thought the idea of it was great but, it wasn't. Kids don't "do" the same things we did when we were in school. If it isn't on the test it really isn't taught, sad huh?


myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9261)   ranked 379 out of 6,387 in politics  4 months ago

I don't think you're alone in your disappointment in NCLB; I also thought it was a good idea but something got "left behind" as it got put into practice and that was the kids' education, I'm afraid.

Annie

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