Most abortions are for social reasons

@maximax8 (31042)
United Kingdom
September 20, 2009 1:17pm CST
Some 98% of abortions are for social reasons. 1. The lady is studying. 2. The lady is busy building her career. 3. The lady is poor and hasn't enough money to care for her baby. 4. The dad doesn't want his baby and asks his girlfriend to have an abortion. 5. The lady already had two children and she doesn't want a third. Only 2% of abortions are for for challenging reasons. 6. The lady conceived during a rape. 7. If born the baby would be severely disabled. 8. The lady's life is in danger unless she has an abortion. I think adoption is a possibility worth thinking about. I feel sorry for the lady that has been raped. I wish abortion became illegal except to save a lady's life. What do you think?
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@mdvarghese (1789)
• Bangalore, India
20 Sep 09
I agree the reasons for abortion. But I believe that it is wrong. Instead of terminating a pregnancy, it is apt to prevent the same. Why to abort when there are many methods available to prevent this. Again I agree with your for the abortion of that 2%. On humanitarian ground we have to support for that. All other abortions should declare as illegal
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@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
20 Sep 09
No form of birth control is 100% effective. A barrier method might split and an oral method wouldn't be effective during sickness. I wish that abortion for social reasons became illegal. Thanks for your excellent response.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
21 Sep 09
Hi maximax8, dont u think it is horrible to kill somebody because of reasons like that? I mean, if it was a live person walking and talking around ur homes that we killed, it would entail imprisonment! I think a woman who can do that to her own helpless, unborn child, doesnt qualify as a caring woman at all. There are so many methods available now, to prevent pregnancies. Those are the ones that I advocate, rather than letting a woman get away scot free for irresponsible moments of passion. As to the lady being raped, I too feel sorry for her. But - here - I'd advocate abortion. This is because - any child conceived at the time of so much of anguish and frustration that the mother must have felt, will invariably be high strung, and a rather difficult child to handle in future - may even become a criminal. I dont really have any evidence in support of that, but I think it is a greater possibility. Moreover, such a child becomes a perpetual reminder of the incident, therefore, I am fine with aborting such a child. As u can c from the discussion, I expect women to be responsible by taking right precautions, rather than abort the babies. I dont believe in taking chances in this issue. Irresponsibility - in my opinion - does not deserve consideration.
• India
21 Sep 09
Madame vandana7, you are from India. Why dont you give this, valuable piece of advice to your Delhi Chief Minister, who knows, she might just start fining all the woman who have a MTP. And when all the other states, in India follow the same ruling, we will be two billion strong in 2020.We will be the strongest nation on the earth with more than a billion babies.
• India
24 Sep 09
Vandana7, in your reply to my last post, you have not answered to any of my points. Once again, I would like to mention, what can the poor woman do, if the male is very dominant and does not want to use contaceptives. In south, family planning is done in a large scale. That is because, the woman still have power here, and all the males are not bullies. Any how, once again I would like to conclude, that MTP is needed in places like India, and we must not bother about what the people from developed world say about us.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
21 Sep 09
Hey maximax8 - an afterthought, if the mother is so careless - shouldnt we attach a penalty there - like every abortion - the mother has to shell down a whopping sum of $10,000 or so - lets c if that brings down the abortions and creates some responsibility. That would also be pro-life, and pro child's future I suppose.
@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
20 Sep 09
Hey max, you are aware of my feelings on this subject, and now the more I think about it, makes me wonder, are the adoption rules too difficult around the world. I wonder if all the healthy young girsl who want to terminate their pregnancies, would have second thoughts if they knew their child would go to a loving home. Just something to think about.
@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
24 Sep 09
Thank you max. This is a subject close to my heart. On TV last night, there is a couple in Australia going through the motions of adopting a beautiful three year old girl from Bali. The girl's grandmother was trying to look after her, but wants her to live in Australia. There was no mention of a mother in the report. However, Australian Immigration won't extend the girl's visa so she can stay until the end of the year. The report said the Indonesian government was agaibst the adoption! But WHY? no reasons were forthcoming. Now, I understand rules have to be enforced, but surely there are times when our heart should overrule protocol. I feel Immigration are meking my life difficult, but I'm 69, this poor little girl's whole life can take a turn here for the better, but authorities won't think outside the box, of rules. I could go on and on about this max, but let's just hope that in this case, a humanity based decision is reached. Sorry, this is a little off the abortion subject, but I'm sure you can see the connection. Have a nice day, my friend.
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
24 Sep 09
Hi my friend Mipen. Thanks for your excellent suggestion about making adoption more popular on a worldwide scale. Yes, the adoption rules are way too challenging in many countries. It certainly is difficult to become an adoptive parent in my home country. I have a friend that is a foster parent and she is often the last carer a child has before he or she is adopted.
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@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
21 Sep 09
I agree about the 2% reasons. but we all have our own reasons in doing things. in some cases I have read that it actually damages the organ or the post abortion trauma is just unbearable no matter what the reason is. the universe throws us problems to be dealt with. how we deal with it, is what matters. for every thing there is a reason and for every action there is an effect, short or long term. In the end, the reason why we do something will show what kind of person we are. and the only person we can't lie to is ourselves.
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
24 Sep 09
The 2% reasons are very challenging situations. I think to be told have an abortion or risk dying would be very upsetting. Pregnancy should be a happy event and after the birth of the baby there should be a magical moment when the mother sees her baby. Some ladies will always be bothered by abortion trauma. Thanks for your wonderful response.
• India
21 Sep 09
Sorry to correct you maximax8, now days you must not mention the words abortion, the correct term is Medical Termination of Pregnancy. Abortion, can happen in other ways also. If the woman is weak, with malnutrition, she aborts. The feotus does not grow, properly, and it comes out prematurely, this is also abortion. These are all known as medical abortions, for which the woman has no control. I do not know why you people are so much against abortions. The decession has to be taken by the woman concerned.If you do not like it, that does not mean that others should also follow the same thing. You people are living in developed countries, where the health care is excellent, and the babies are taken care by the government, if the mother is not able to take care of them. Come to a developing country like India and see, then you will know the reality.Take for instance point no.7, who will take care of the disabled baby, and what will happen, when it growsup. If it is from a rich family, the person might survive, if it is born to a middle class family or a poor family, the entire life of the handicapped person is miserable. In conclusion, I would like to say that I am not pro life, and I am for Medical Termination of Pregnancy.
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
24 Sep 09
Hi again Rameshkumaar. In my home country we say 'lift' and if I wanted to find one of those in America I would say 'elevator' because language can differ between countries. If a lady loses her baby in pregnancy and nature did that to her the term is 'miscarriage' in my home country. A 'medical abortion' can be done up to 9 weeks pregnant. It involves some pills and bleeding. A 'surgical abortion' is a termination of pregnancy by an abortionist. I have a disabled son and he is such a lovely person. I find him enchanting every day. I don't live in India. I know many people in India are very poor.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
21 Sep 09
Hi rameshkumaar, that fine wouldnt work in Indian context! That is because our women rather create 75 years of hunger, thirst, and whatever, rather than take simple precautions. LOL. There is this talk of children being "God's gift" in our country! Dont they know how children are born? And utter indifference to the child's future! How can a mother be called a mother, if she is placing her pleasure before her child's future? Our culture - the great Indian culture - clearly shows that the child should not be even conceived unless all conditions are right, and in keeping with that - Rama and Sita chose to have a child only after their exile period was over! Dont tell me Sita couldnt concieve even once during the 14 years exile! Tell that to a woman who has given birth to two girls, and is willing to go for another, even though her financial position is a suspect, and she will ask u who is Sita! ha ha. Indian woman is nothing great for all that Sarathchandra's novels, and Rabindranath Tagore's literature. None of them would consider adopting, but they would all be willing to supply one of their own. I have nothing but contempt for it. In Indian context, whenever our ministers donate homes, or write off debts, the children have to give in writing that they will not have more than one child, otherwise they will be liable to surrender the house or help. That will help to bring down the population for sure. Giving unconditional help is ridiculous.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
21 Sep 09
Hi rameshkumaa57, I am not North Indian. :( - I am an Indian. Well, I agree - the problem is more acute in the North, and certain other communities. Educating and supplying pills to such people - door to door visit like the politicians do when they ask for votes - is the way to go about it, rather than ignoring the issue and just leaving it as such. I think a proper way of explaining that resources are limited, we will be fighting between ourselves for food would help at least 25 to 50 percent of these people. They dont understand it because it has not been explained to them! They have only seen a different thing traditionally, so if they have 5 children, they feel they have condensed enough, after all their moms had 10. And - government has been giving homes - even in south. Surely, when state government is giving homes to these people, a condition can be imposed. After all, tax payers cannot be burdened for continuous irresponsibility. We've been failing with our population control targets - consistently. But such concerns are not being felt - by people much younger than either u and me! Their children may not have enough to eat in less than 50 years from now! U cant kill a person after the person is born, u can certainly prevent the conception. That is my call. And if the choice is between killing a foetus, and forcing at least one of the parents, even if it the mother to be responsible with the pills, I would opt for that.
22 Sep 09
I definitely disagree it should become illegal as then there would be many 'back street' abortions which could end up with many women seriously hurt. Also adoption is a great thing but, I personally believe there are too many unwanted babies that are never found good homes and that is no life either - surely an unwanted pregnancy can be abrted and save a child going through life being unloved?
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
24 Sep 09
One of my friends is a foster carer. People like her are great foster parents to children that don't have loving parents. Less popular children to adopt are sibling groups, disabled children, mixed race children and children older than eight years old.
• India
25 Sep 09
Maximax this is in response to your reply to my response. I have to admit and accept that you know the medical terminologies, as well as you are able to understand them. I usually get irritated and annoyed, when some busy body just starts some discussions with out any understanding, just for the sake of starting some discussions. I am very sorry to note that you have a disabled son. You are quite a brave woman, and I salute you for starting this discussion, in spite of having a disabled son. This takes courage and conviction. Hats off to your conviction. Frankly telling, I am not such a brave man to have a disabled child, and I would have certainly asked my wife to go in for an MTP. Finally in conclusion, I would like to mention, that I am a Hindu, and in Hindu culture, there is nothing about abortion or anything like that. Our religion does not frown on abortions. Having an abortion is quite common in our country because of our religious beliefs. Of course, Indian Christians and Muslims, have their own convictions, and they follow it.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
20 Sep 09
You use the term "social reasons" very broadly. Being poor and not being able to provide for a child is more of an economic reason and being pressured by the father-to-be would fall into the emotional category more than the social one. While I do believe that the emphasis should be on preventing unintended pregnancies, I strongly disagree that abortion should ever again be deemed as illegal. Changing the law will not stop women from seeking abortions...they still will and there will still be people willing to perform them. Changing the law will put women at risk and that is unacceptable to me.
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
24 Sep 09
Yes, we could add "economical reasons". Some parents start of fairly poor but gain wealth in the future. When a lady is pregnant and her partner tries to push her towards having an abortion that is unfair on her and their baby. Back street abortions in countries were abortion is illegal sound terribly dangerous.
@tdemex (3540)
• United States
20 Sep 09
I believe what a person wants to do with their life is up to them! If you believe abortion is wrong then don't get one! But it's like Muslims and Catholics, they both think their right so fight it out, or you believe what you believe and that's up to you, but why push it on me!I love the people who intrude on my space on Sundays, when I'm watching a football game and knock on my door to tell me to be a Mormon! LOL! Why can't you live your life, stay out of my space and I'll gladly stay out of yours! Wow you may do something I don't like, but that's your problem! tdemex
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
20 Sep 09
I am pro-life and I wouldn't ever have an abortion. What everyone else does is their choice. I am not trying to tell you or anyone else what to do. On My Lot we can all exchange our opinions. I feel sorry for innocent babies that are aborted. Anyone's mother could have chosen to abort them.
@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
20 Sep 09
I think that the 98% that you have outlined should all face that they became pregnant and deal with it rather than have an abortion, but inthe end, it is their choice. I do feel that adoption would be a better solution, but that is my own opinion. Recently, I watched a series on tv called "Sixteen and Pregnant" of all the teens who were pregnant on the show, one couple opted to give their baby up for adoption. They felt that abortion was not an option at all and wanted to give that baby a good life. You could see how hard the choice was for them as they handed the baby to the adoptive parents. It took great courage for them to do this. I think that more people should follow this example rather than aborting for selfish reasons. Those other women, the 2% that you listed, have reason and although the choice is still undoubtedly hard for them, they do what they really feel is best. Could I have an abortion,m regardless of the circumstances, no, I couldn't. I would put my life on the line, and I would raise any child that I was blessed with regardless of disabiility or anything. The only exception I am not sure I could handle, even though it would not be that baby's fault, would be in the instance of rape. I think that I would not want to abort because that child is innocent, but I would also be constantly reminded of what happened. I guess that would be the instance where I would really have to think it through the most and make a decision.
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
24 Sep 09
The program that you watched must have been really interesting. Yes, the teenage couple that adopted their baby were very brave. Hopefully that baby is having a wonderful life. I wish that adoption will become more popular. Rape is an awful event that some women have had to suffer. I can imagine that if having gotten pregnant during a rape life would be very challenging. Thanks for your excellent response.