Can You Cheat Fate And Death?  |
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| Hello mylot friends. It's been awhile since I've started any discussion. I have been busy with things and at the same time, catching up on others' discussions too. I don't believe that one can cheat fate and death because it's like pre-destined or something. But I believe one can change their fate by say, working hard for success and etc and hence, changing their fate to become better. And I think death is inevitable. When one has got to, she or he will go. My question is: If there's no such thing as cheating of fate and death, then why are those terms used at times? Hope that we can have a healthy and happy discussion here. Your answers are certainly appreciated and the best answer would definitely be selected with careful consideration. Thank you in advance... | | | | | |
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1. bjcyrix (3663)
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3 years ago
| | I already agree with the arguments that you have mentioned. Like fate can be changed and death being inevitable. However, I think fate in itself doesnt really mean a 'destiny' of sorts that is already pre-determined and whatever a person does it can only be prolonged but never changed. For me, fate is more like a choice. Rather a set of outcomes given different options. If one chooses to go this path, his/her fate will be like this. If he/she chooses to do the other thing, then another different result would come. But both are in a sense the 'fate' of what the person has decided for himself. Sure it can be predetermined in a way but the real final end result will depend upon which path the person has taken. To address why those terms are used at times. I think that is because people still cling to the hope that cheating fate and death might be possible one day. If they were lucky, that 'one day' could be in their lifetime and they'd get to live the life that they have always wanted and extend the time that they could spend with their loved ones. It's just all about hope. That's just what I think anyways.^_^ | | | | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Hiya bj.. I like the part you said that given different set of outcomes, we have options that will determine our path. That's absolutely something that I believe too; with the different choices, our fate lies at the end of the road. If I choose this, what will happen, if I choose that, what will happen. Hope is close to prayers and it's something that I hold dearly. Thanks for your time.. | | | |
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Iriene88 (1662)
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3 years ago
| | Dear bjcyrix and zed. I like that phrase too on : Different path will have a different outcome. It will be great if we can put it all in a 'mind map'. Then we can see a clearer picture! There is a popular saying, What we are today is a result of the decision that we made previously. What will we become lies on the decision we make today. Cheers and happy myLotting! | | | |
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zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Very well said, Bj.. what is life without hope. Prayers and hope are inter-related, I so agree.. | | | |
bjcyrix (3663)
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3 years ago
| | Thanks, we all need a bit of hope these days.. | | | |
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zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Hiya bro.. so to summarize this one, it's basically out of our hands; we can only control up to a certain degree like you said we can work hard to earn money and make it happen; that sort of thing. We just do our best, and leave the rest to fate. Good point you have there. I also believe that we don't have control over our destiny/fate. | | | |
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3. cbeee3 (1098)
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3 years ago
| | I believe that everything in life and I mean everything, is pre-destined. If I were hard-working, that is because I am pre-destined to be that way. If I am a lazy bum, then I am pre-destined to be that way. And if I change from being a lazy goose to a hard-working person, then that is what my destiny holds for me. If I suffer a lot in life, its what I am meant to face. If I am able to face it, then that is my fate and if I succumb to the torment that life brings with it, then that is my fate too. So you get the hang of it. In my belief system, all that happens to me is pre-destined. And if you were to say hard-work and perseverance can get you to the top, I would say, that is only if your destiny holds this key. So at the end of it all, I believe that no one can cheat death. I think it is just a phrase. When someone gets a chance at life after a moment that could have been the end of their life (which is a part of fate too, per me), then one can use this phrase. Sorry if I made this response a little too long and messy. But I hope you get what I am saying. | | | | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Your answer made me smile.. I am with you on the pre-destined thingy. It's definitely written; whom we are going to meet, who we ends up with, our career path and stuff like that. And options are always there, which we will choose, and in turn, leads us to our fate. But I'm quite uneasy with the notion when someone cheats his or her partner, and ends up divorcing and marrying that person, he/she says that that is fated to be. Yes, it is... but not if he/she doesn't choose the option to roam around. There must be options at one point and he/she chooses it to be that way. So the fate will turn around and then, it will be said that person is fated to be with the current partner. Something good is always from up above, and those that are bad are always our own doing. The fate will always be there; no matter what. Good talking, Cb; serious talk we have here, aye? Ha.. | | | |
cbeee3 (1098)
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3 years ago
| | You know what Zed? Even on the cheating issue thingy, I think its fate, in a sense. I am finding it hard to explain what I mean and what I am thinking. Its like one of those songs you know the tune to but cannot seem to remember the words to. That drives us nuts, does it not? LOL. I have been on the end of being cheated and beaten. A year ago, I would have said, "He is an a** and that is not fate". Today I say, it is fate and I am meant to have better things in life. Apart from that, thanks to that bitter experience, I learnt things about life, love and myself. All this fits well in the broader picture. I think we believe we have choices, but they are actually governed by fate. Life takes you along a path that is supposed to be yours. On that path, some people learn things and some perish and that is what life is all about. And yes, Zed my darlin, I don't joke about stuff like this. When it comes to my dogma, I am serious as hell.Don't you hate this side of me! | | | |
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zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Who, who? Me?? You?? Tell me.. | | | |
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zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | I guess it's you..? | | | |
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zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | But of course, sweets.. | | | |
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zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | The story was really sad. You are right; when death knocks on our door, that's it. I believe there's no such thing as cheating death too.. | | | |
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5. nonstopthinker (120)
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3 years ago
| | hello zed_k4 i think you have a good idea for a disucssion here. well, to answer your question, no, i dont think fate and death can be cheated. but, i do think it can be delayed or averted to a later time. it depends a lot on who you are and what you belive to answer this question. if you are a religious person, the only answer in cheating both would be to pray. ofocurse hard work has to accompany it. i think the biggest remedy lies in hard work because when you hard work, you know you have done your best. what happens after, does not matter as long as you did your part. you know if you belive that everything happens for good, fate is a very feeble word! it will never matter because we know something good is going to happen. one example comes to my mind. my uncle was slightly late to reach the bus station en route to board the last bus to another town where he was to attend an importnant conference. well, he was minutes late and as expected, he missed the bus. he was frustrated becuase it was a conference sponsered by his company and he had been waiting for it. that evening he tuned in to his tv only to hear that the bus he had missed had just fell off the bridge and many onboard were killed. now incidents like that can happen in all our lives. being religious, i think the only think that can bring us this "luck factor" is prayers and i must say i have experienced the change when i pray. maybe its just my mind but atleast i'm happy that i'm happy lol. thats the magic of prayers. happy mylotting dear friend. | | | | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Hello, my friend. That was a real close brush there; what your uncle had experienced. Close shave totally! I believe in the power of prayers too. Incident like what your uncle had gone through really open up my eyes to be aware that we can just go anytime and if it's not the time, we won't go yet. And I'll hold on close to the prayers. Thanks, nonstopthinker for this reply. | | | |
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6. ElicBxn (24693)
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3 years ago
| | Death is inevitable, but how, when, where, and of what is the question. Do you want it to be swift and early? Do risky activities... do you want it to be a bit longer away and painful, do other risky activities - like smoke or drink. Do you want it to be long and lingering - well, I doubt anyone really wants it to be lingering, but if you take really good care of yourself, it might be, getting stricken with dementia or disabled by strokes... I'm at the age of "longer away" in my mid-50's and I don't drink or smoke, but I haven't taken as good care of myself as my mom did - who is in her early 80's and disabled by strokes... so, we'll see how I do - how about you? | | | | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Your answer is definitely interesting and pique my own thoughts there. I see our body as an organization that needs to be taken care of. Whether the 'organization' crumbles or stay on top is up to us in a few percent. You are right; death is inevitable, but it doesn't mean that we have to sit, mope and wait for it to come. We can work to prolong it; like by exercising, taking care of our health and stuff like that. And the rest is entirely not up to us. We'll just do the best that we can. Like for myself, I try the best to avoid coffee nowadays; I used to be so addictive. I have the urge definitely but too much caffeine can be no good. I am responsible in that sense. Good talking, Elic.. | | | |
ElicBxn (24693)
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3 years ago
| | so true, Zed, you can do things to harm yourself or do things to try and make yourself healthier, and after that, well its out of your hands you can never drink or smoke and still die of cancer you can eat like a rabbit and still have a heart attack there are some things we just have no control over | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Very well said again, Elic. So let's make do with the options that we have to the best of our ability.. | | | |
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7. Ravenladyj (19028)
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3 years ago
| | If there's no such thing as cheating of fate and death, then why are those terms used at times? Well I also dont believe you can cheat either of those things since htey are predetermined before we are even born IMO...that said..I suppose and believe that ppl use those expressions because they can't explain to themselves the truth of the matter..For example, if a person was in a situation that they think they SHOULD HAVE died but they dont, rather than realizing they WERENT SUPPOSE TO die (a thought that is hard for many to grasp) they claim and/or feel they actually cheated death....Truth is though, they didnt... make sense? | | | | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | What you said totally made sense there. Instead of embracing the true nature, there seems to be a label there. But I still think there might be people believing that they really cheat death. Like really, really mean it, although I don't believe it too. Thanks for your time.. | | | |
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zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | Ah... the movie concept, LOL.. I'm not really a big fan of that type of movie, but I know what you mean with that. I don't believe we can cheat death either; it's like when it's our time to go, we will go. Fate can be changed to a certain extent, in my opinion, for instance, a poor beggar is fated to be poor. But he works hard, becomes say a millionaire, then his fate changes for the better. I think he has a 40% stake in it, LOL. That's how I see things. Your opinions are respected, hon..  | | | |
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| 9. justdee51 (11)
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3 years ago
| | That question makes people question their beleif system, and I personally do not think you can cheat death or fate. Death is inevitable we start dying the day we are born in this world. I beleive that we pick our families, and lessons we have to learn on this earth. And with that said I beleive that we more or less pick a time and way in which we expire, it is all done so to speak as a contract. I have had a near death experience and was told it is not my time, to go back. The term you refer to may be used to describe an event that would make you think the person really literally escaped the ultimate. But in fact it may have been a wake up call for that person to pay attention, or to become a better human being before it is to late. Just like the Guy who missed his plane, and the plane crashed killing all aboard.....then 3 days later he died in a massive car wreck. His fate was changed for the moment by freewill, which we all have but his death occoured when it was supposed to. | | | | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | You are absolutely right. We can never cheat death nor fate. It would happen anytime, anywhere and at any circumstance of juncture and cross-paths in our life. I just pray day by day that I won't die in a hard-up situation like accidents and stuff like that. Hopefully, a peaceful one. We can only hope and pray. The rest is totally written, in a way. That was sad; what happened to the guy. It was really his time to go, yeah. Thanks for talking and sharing your opinion on this topic. | | | |
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10. sid556 (18646)
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3 years ago
| | Deep question here zed. I don't think you can cheat fate but I do think you can change the outcome of your fate by the choices you make and how you handle things that happen in your life. ok example time: It was fate that I met my husband. The outcome of that meeting and even of our dating could have been so so different. Had I not married him....my life would have been so so very different than it is. So you can I think change your destiny by the choices you make. Death? hmmm. You can do all you want to try to avoid it but I really think that when your time is up...it's up. | | | | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | I'm with you on that. I am an avid believer that things that happen in life are for a reason and fated to be like this and that. I share the sentiment too if you did not marry your husband, your life might be for a different turn and stuff like that. And we have to make choices in life that would determine our fate. And for that, I think is all inter-related. Thanks, sid.. | | | |
sid556 (18646)
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3 years ago
| | Its pretty difficult to put to words but had I chose to listen to everyone and not marry my husband who as it turned out was the dirtbag everyone told me he was...I'd not have the children I have. I can't imagine my life being anything other than what it is....good & bad. | | | |
zed_k4 (7705)
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3 years ago
| | I know how you feel and I'm sorry that you had to go through all of that. Whenever I feel so down and especially with certain choices in life I've made, I'll tell myself that it could be more worst than what I already felt, and I'll make do with the current situation and better it. Will be hard, but life has to move on no matter what. To make the best out of everything would be my ultimate goal. Take care, sid. You are a good friend and I wish nothing but the best for you. | | | |
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