Giving Birth In The Air  |
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How could this happened?
Was there some negligence at check in, that allowed a final trimester mother to be on board the flight?
Well, this incident ended with fortunates only, as both the mother and her baby boy was delivered without complications at 2000 feet above and prior landing on the alternate landing airport's tarmac. Yes, the baby is fine and above that he will be traveling FREE for his entire life with his mother on Air Asia where they were on.
I am glad that the incident had turned out well for the parent and child but I just cannot say for the rest of the passengers on board the Air Asia flight that was to take them from Penang to Kuching, only to be diverted to Kuala Lumpur for this emergency. I wonder how inconvenienced they must have been. Did anyone of the passengers lost a job as a result of the involuntary delay? Did a business appointment went awry?
So, was the airline responsible for this incident? If they are, then how about let them have a complimentary flight on their next trip?
Ref: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091023/od_afp/malaysiaairasiaairlineoffbeat
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1. Binthu (3303) | 3 months ago | Hi Sky,
Some times it was happened like that and also many more last semester mother are in the board and fortunately they are ready to give the birth on the air when the plane has been took off, so as you said if everything is fine means no problems but unfortunately if anything is happen then they will change the route and put on emergency landing, in order to save the life of mother and kids, but what about the other passengers appointments and business schedule. So this is complete responsible for the Airline checking section to verify the peoples well in advance especially pregnant women, they should not allowed to board into the plane if they have found she is in the trimester period.
Have a nice day.
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2. katsmeow1213 (4914) | 3 months ago | I think the mom needs to take most of the responsiblity. I do remember being told not to do any traveling towards the end of my pregnancy, and certainly not to go more than an hour or so away from home so that I could safely reach my hospital in time. Most pregnant women realize they can go into labor at any time, especially once you reach the third trimester... so why in the world would this mother, knowing she's so close to the end of her pregnancy, board a plane and travel away from home, and away from the doctors who've been caring for her all pregnancy, the same doctors prepared to handle her labor and birth once it happens?
I don't think it's up to the airlines to tell people that they can't fly, and they shouldn't have to ask a pregnant woman how far along she is. It should be up to the person to have a bit of common sense!
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skysuccess (2401) | 3 months ago | katsmeow1213,
I do agree with you to a certain extent here but being a parent, I can take that this mother is inexperience and having her first child. I am sure you can remember how it is liked, but let's not forget about the airline's policy on pregnant travelers.
I felt that this episode could have been avoided if the check in and boarding gate attendants had done their job with more care and diligence. I am sure they would have discovered this unfit traveler, denied her boarding and prevented this incident. I am sure you are wary with me that all airlines forbid domestic travel beyond thirty-six weeks of pregnancy and international travel beyond thirty-two weeks. Also, that they are unable to handle obstetrical emergencies aboard their aircraft.
I feel slighted that the airline is more culpable here.
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katsmeow1213 (4914) | 3 months ago | As I already said, I don't think it should be up to the airline to ask each woman if she is pregnant. Not every woman that looks pregnant actually is pregnant, and not every pregnant woman appears pregnant... so how is the airline supposed to know other than ask each individual woman! That's ridiculous.
Whether or not it was her first child, it's still her fault. When I was having my first child I was told not to travel after the 3rd trimester, so she should have known better.
People just don't have common sense anymore and it becomes so aggravating.
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| frenzybabe (29) | 3 months ago | I totally agree with katsmeow1213. The mother should be more responsible. Although, the airline is partly responsible too. If they have carefully screened the pregnant women, this wouldn't happen. Usually the airline doctor should require a certification from the ob-gyne and a copy of an ultrasound report so they would be able to validate the term of the pregnancy and avoid any miscalculations. Certification should not be enough as this can be doctored. I guess bottomline is, the mother should have avoided flying in the first place especially being in the trimester of her pregnancy already. She shouldn't have been selfish. She should have thought about the safety of her child.
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3. EnglishTeaDuck (733) | 3 months ago | How is that the airline's fault? I think it is totally the mothers responsibility whether she travels or not in that condition. If you are going to board a long flight when you could give birth imminently then I really don't see how you can blame the airline.
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skysuccess (2401) | 3 months ago | EnglishTeaDuck,
I am sorry but I beg to differ. The mother cannot be SOLELY responsible.
In case you are unaware but all airlines have a policy for pregnant travelers. Although, it may differ with different airlines but let me assure you that they are all about the same. I think I will elaborate for everybody's knowledge.
For one, those who are traveling within four weeks of due date a medical certificate is required (American Airlines further specifies that this rule applies for a normal, uncomplicated pregnancy).
Most airlines will forbid domestic travel beyond thirty-six weeks of pregnancy and international travel beyond thirty-two weeks.
Now, I am going to anticipate and further elaborate here, that this policy being too technical and that the mother especially for new and inexperience ones, are unaware and that they will not be able to know being nowadays flights are being booked online. So, everything will then be left at the check in counter where the staff will have to verify the mother's fitness for the trip. Just for your info, their duties go beyond checking the identity and baggages of the travelers. When they see a pregnant traveler they have a duty to follow company's policies and safety regulations.
So, how do you think that the airline is not a bit or at all responsible?
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4. aseretdd (6862) | 3 months ago | I think this is not the first time this happened... same incident occurred but with another airline... and i feel that the birth of a child on board a flying plane is not something that we should find fault... yes, there was irresponsibility on the part of the crew and mother... but the main thing is that both the mother and child are doing well... a birth is always a joyous event... and being born on a flying airplane makes it extra special...
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skysuccess (2401) | 3 months ago | aseretdd,
I am sorry that you have taken this discussion as somewhat slighted towards a fault finding mission. However, I believe in the saying where we learn from our mistakes and that being aware of the dangers of air travel, I just felt that there is a need to mention this case and let everyone learn from it.
If you can simply try and picture a case where the birth actually goes into complication like risk of blood clots thromboembolic disease or deep vein thrombosis where the blood clots may tear loose and travel to the lungs. This event, known as a pulmonary embolism and it is often fatal. Or, umbilical cord complications? In short, all airlines are unable to handle obstetrical emergencies aboard their aircraft.
So, the parent should be wary and avoided making the travel. Then, the airline staff at the check in should have checked out this mother's condition and follow company's policy which is really for the good and safety of the mother.
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aseretdd (6862) | 3 months ago | I am sure the mother was given a medical certification by her doctor that she is fit to fly... and because of that... the airline admitted her... but the pressure or stress must have triggered that moment... it is just a good thing that a doctor was on board...
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aseretdd (6862) | 3 months ago | I am sure the mother was given a medical certification by her doctor that she is fit to fly... and because of that... the airline admitted her... but the pressure or stress must have triggered that moment... it is just a good thing that a doctor was on board...
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5. 2timothy (395) | 3 months ago | Giving birth on a plane is much better than giving birth on a a car which often happens while they are on their way to the hospital. Some mothers even gave birth at the delivery waiting area as they stand waiting in line for their turn. Although doctors advised pregnant mothers to stay home when their due date is near, some experienced mothers care less as giving birth to them is just like going for a bowel movement.
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EnglishTeaDuck (733) | 3 months ago | Yes, thats exactly what its like. Not. Seriously??!...lol
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o0Tora0o (261) | 3 months ago | I'm sorry, but that seriously has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. Giving birth on a plane in the middle of a flight is absolutely, positively not better than giving birth in a car. At least the car is on the ground, most likely en route to a hospital or birthing center, and the woman will have reasonably quick access to medical care in the event that something goes wrong with the birth.
The plane would have to divert to the nearest airport for an emergency landing (such as what happened in this case), and if there isn't a doctor on board who knows what he or she's doing, who's going to end up assisting with the delivery? The flight crew? Other passengers? It's needlessly and recklessly endangering both the mother and the child, especially if the mother knew she was close to her due date and decided to fly anyway. What if the baby had been in the wrong position and she'd needed a Cesarean section? The baby could have died before they got the mother to a hospital.
And I don't care how many times a woman's given birth in the past--comparing it to a bowel movement is ridiculous. Leave it to someone who's biologically incapable of giving birth to come up with a comparison like that. Maybe this is why men don't give birth--they'd be too busy telling each other to walk it off to take care of themselves properly afterward!!
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2timothy (395) | 3 months ago | I understand the anxiety of each woman in labor but many in highly-developed countries may never realize how simple giving birth is in the countryside. No one there would have heard of the C. They just call in the midwife as travel to the nearest town clinic would be daunting. My comment is indirectly derived from their sharings.
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| frenzybabe (29) | 3 months ago | they should require as well a copy of an ultrasound report to confirm the term of the pregnancy. people today are very creative. they can be creative to get a certification from their family doctor and certify them less than their term period just to be able to travel on air.
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zed_k4 (4741) | 2 months ago | Thanks for explaining, sky.. I agree with you; it's best to check the regulations in different countries that we are about to travel to or from..
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7. maximax8 (10731) | 3 months ago | I am amazed that Air Asia let a heavily pregnant lady fly on the plane. In my home country ladies expecting one baby are allowed to fly up to 28 weeks pregnancy and then they are allowed with a doctors not saying they are fit to fly. That is up to 32 weeks pregnant. For pregnancy with twins there would be a lower time limit because such babies are often born prematurely. Most airlines won't accept a new born baby. They insist the baby is a minimum of 7 days old. The other passengers went to Kuala Lumpur instead of Kuching. They must have been annoyed about their journey going so wrong but happy that the baby was born alive. I hope that baby boy will grow up a keen traveler. Air Asia will probably write its rules on accepting pregnant ladies on board their planes.
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8. jemaries (188) | 3 months ago | Well! For this cases its not the responsible of airlines what is happened.For as i know when you are pregnant they are allowing you to ride in the airplane about 6mos or 7mos. only and in the airport they need a medical report that your pregnancy is not your due date of delivery,from the airport they will check you and with medical report,if they found out that you gonna be deliverd they will not accepted you to there airlines thats the policy i know.I've seen news like that one pregnant woman delivered in the airlines.Sometimes they are lucky if there are some passengers who is a doctor or nurse that could help them, what if nobody?
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jemaries (188) | 3 months ago | some pregnant woman specially first babies, you cannot determine whether its there due date,unless by reports.Because some of them small tummy.Unless they changed in the report that its only 6mos. but its almost the delivery is coming.I have co-workers actually doing this cases, because some reason they want to delivered in philippines so they will go home to my country when there delivery period is coming,and they need to changed the date of how many mos. there babies,because they will not accept in the airport,actually in the airport is very strict.
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9. cwong77 (1180) | 3 months ago | I think I have read earlier that another birth in the air case happen in Malaysia too! I wonder if these passengers do submit the letter confirmation from the doctor in order to board the flight, or if they are able to hide the tummy that well, to the extend that the check in staff did not realise this.
Actually, in the LCCT airport, the check in system is in a mess, as there are so many people nowadays opted for the freelance air carrier which offer cheaper rate to fly.
Well, I think if there is some inconveniences caused by this delay, the airlines will surely compensate the passengers.
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10. 4mymak (1445) | 3 months ago | i was shocked when i first read the news myself.. surprised because i knew that were rules pertaining to allowing pregnant women to fly.. but it seems that for AirAsia/ Malaysia, women are 28 weeks pregnant are banned from flying, and the lady who gave birth on the plane was 'only 27 weeks' pregnant.. and she (and the rest of the people on board that plane) was indeed lucky that there just happened to be a doctor among them at that time... (i guess it is fated that way.. the baby delivered safely with a doctor on board.. ) still.. i guess i cant blame the airline for this one.. it wouldnt be good for them to turn down/ deny a customer who has the 'right' to fly with them..
here's another link to the same story, but different newspaper (nst): http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/20091022180142/Article/index_html
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skysuccess (2401) | 3 months ago | 4mymak,
Thank you for the follow up article.
However, I will play the devil's advocate here that the article may not be reflecting the truth where there might be a cover up. There are just some circumstances and accounts that lead me to think otherwise here. I mean this is a premature birth and it just opened up even more perspective into this issue. Perspectives like the airline trying to cover it's tracks or the traveler's letter had be falsified.
I hope that the relevant people will reflect with this and that they start to pull up their socks.
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