Why all the lies about NY 23rd not having a Democrat since the Civil War?

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
November 8, 2009 5:56pm CST
I'm sure everyone here has heard this lie over and over again. The NY 23rd district has not been represented by a Democrat since the Civil War. It's been over 150 YEARS since a democrat has represented them. This is a landmark victory. Blah blah blah. It's been said so many times by so many people on EVERY network including Fox News. Yet all it takes is the tiniest bit of investigating to learn that it's a complete and utter lie. So, how long has it REALLY been since the NY 23rd was represented by a Democrat? 16 years. Yes, the last Democrat to represent the NY 23rd was Michael R. McNulty from 1989 to 1993. Before that it was represented by Democrat Samuel S. Stratton from 1983-1989. Before that the NY 23rd was represented by Democrat Peter A. Peyser from 1979-1983. So in summation, the NY 23rd was represented by Democrats for 14 years, Republicans for 16 years, and is now represented by a Democrat once again. Contrast that with the fact that we have at least 6 congressman, right now, who have been in office uninterrupted for over 50 years. Feel free to search the Congressional Biographical Directory to verify my claims. I'd gladly post links to the biography of everyone I've listed, but as I'm sure you know mylot sucks and if I posted more than one link none of them would work. : http://bioguide.congress.gov/biosearch/biosearch.asp Does anyone have any guesses as to why we've been lied to so many times not only by the White House and Nanci Pelosi, who we expect to lie to us, but by every major media outlet including those that are supposedly biased against Obama?
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• United States
9 Nov 09
Greetings from the REAL NY-23, The northcountry of New York State has not been rep'd by a democrat since the civil war. The 23rd district has changed locations over the years as NYT has lost population (and representatives) relative to the rest of the US. Congressman McNulty rep'd Green Island near the Capital District area of NYS - far from the frozen north near the Canadian border. Sam Stratton rep'd the area around Schenectady (more Capital District and infact his son is doing a good job as mayor of that burg. Maybe using the term "NY 23" was misleading but be assured that the north country has been bedrock republican for generations. Till last Tuesday when we elected Air Force Captain Owens as our Congressman. Hope this helps, Taskr.
• United States
9 Nov 09
Thank you, Valentinesdiner, for the clarification! But I guarantee you that neither Taskr nor his cronies will heed to your clarification.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 Nov 09
If you'd like to argue which district the "area" was when, could you provide the district numbers that previously included this area and which years they applied to? If not, you're just guessing or believing what the dishonest media has told you.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
9 Nov 09
I understand what you're saying, they are always redistricting and districts grow and shrink based on population, but even taking that into consideration, there are two issues. First, the media repeatedly said "NY 23rd", making their statements wholly inaccurate. Second if they were too lazy to properly research as far back as 1993 which was the last year the NY 23rd was represented by a Democrat, I find it highly unlikely that they researched the last 150 years of redistricting to see if that part of New York, under any numbered district had a democrat. Do you know of any resource that shows where all the district lines have been over the last 150 years because I'm a librarian, and worked almost a year in research and I can tell you that finding information like that is long, tedious, and requires not only a library with extensive resources, but experienced researchers willing to spend their time combing through districting maps to determine which district a specific part of New York was in during each congress, then cross-referencing that with the house member representing each different district that included that area, and THEN determining the official political party of the representative for each numbered district each time it applied to the section of New York in question. Do YOU believe that Obama, Pelosi, or any of the incompetent media really went through all that? I've done some horrendous research for the most inane garbage from as far back as the 1800s and I can tell you they couldn't pay me enough to go through all that crap. And if they really cared enough to go through all that, why didn't they care enough to make accurate statements regarding who represented the district known as the NY 23rd?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
9 Nov 09
They just accept what the media tells them. Instead of copying and pasting people need to do some research on their own. It is amazing what you can find when you do a little reading.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
9 Nov 09
[b]Well, but the thing is, that's just why it surprises me that Fox didn't do their homework, as it's really what they do as a rule! It's why they have--in a cable venue!--ratings that rival broadcast news; people can almost always trust them to check facts! It's not the first time they haven't, but overall they do really strive to tell the truth, even if it makes us uncomfortable. I guess it was just such a normal-sounding, plausible lie they didn't guess that the Left would have to lie about it. Those are the most heinous kinds of lies, the blatant ones cloaked in plausibility. One must learn: The Left cannot be trusted. Ever. If you doubt that, go read their "bible:" Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals." After you do, then you can begin to grasp how evil & cynical these people really are, & why America is in such profound trouble. Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
9 Nov 09
Thank you, Valentinesdiner, for the clarification! But I guarantee you that neither Taskr nor his cronies will heed to your clarification.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
9 Nov 09
I read his post, but even his statement is speculation unless he thoroughly research the drawing of congressional lines over the last 150 years. Even if he's right, that doesn't change the fact that the media consistently said "NY 23rd" not "this specific part of the NY 23rd". Of course you're just here to troll the thread so I'm wasting my time telling you this.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Nice job rating me down Netsbridge. Clearly you have nothing better to do that stalk my posts rating negative to lower my star. Fortunately, I don't care. I'm not going to be intimidated by a vindictive moron like yourself.
• United States
12 Nov 09
Please be assured I did not give any negatives to you on Netsbridge or anything else for that matter. I needed to correct a misunderstanding about my Congressional district and my correction was being called into question - - by you - - in a later part of the discussion. Be assured I am not "a vindictive moron" and would not snipe at someone (especially underhandedly - that is really moronic) especially over something as inconsequential as a mylot posting. You appear to be a bright person who was just getting half the story on a news story. I happen to be a relatively bright person who was supplying a correction and followup. I am glad to correct any misunderstanding you have on what I did or did not do. Enjoy the day, Taskr.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
9 Nov 09
A lie told often enough becomes it's own truth. It is just more propaganda from an out of touch government who believe that people are to stupid to believe anything other than what they are told to believe. They used to be right about that... but now things are changing as people are finally beginning to wake up to the reality.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
9 Nov 09
It's called spin and they have to bolster their base after a beating. Plus they're in the state of denial and delusional.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
9 Nov 09
[b] Hm! That is a puzzler, Taskr. When faced with such misinformation, I blame lazy reporters, usually, but given the tenor of the times, I have to ask--who benefits from this error? Because you can bet your first "Amero" someone is! I admit I'm surprised that Fox News (!)is misreporting it...have you asked them why, & laid out your records? I'd like to know how they fouled up. Please keep us posted on whatever you discover. Thanks for the heads up! Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
9 Nov 09
Yeah, I really don't get what this lie accomplished for anyone besides bogus bragging rights for the left. In all fairness to Fox News, it was on that network that I first heard this was a lie. It wasn't on a news show though, it was on Red Eye. I wasn't really shocked when I heard it so I went to verify the claims of many democrats representing the NY 23rd and found many blogs covering it, with all the major news media continuing to propagate the lie. I think since the Civil war there have actually been more democrats than republicans representing the district, but I only verified the most recent democrats for the purpose of this thread.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
9 Nov 09
[b]Ah, yes. Bragging. What Democrats do best--second only to lying. That was the only thing I could figure, myself. Is Fox now going to start setting the record straight? If not, perhaps we should put a bug in their ear about it? Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
9 Nov 09
It is like so many other "News" Stories. If it is not in a press release then it will not get reported. REporters are all about looking good and not reporting.
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
9 Nov 09
It is worrisome that the major news organizations will take and repeat things without any research to check facts. If redistricting has caused the boundaries to change over the years, then the statement would still be inaccurate. At the very least they should have said the area was traditionally Republican though the district known as NY23 has been redrawn a few times and has been represented by Democrats in recent history. The major news networks all quoted blogs in the Rush Limbaugh "racist comments" stories. They are getting too lazy to do their own research. This will make it much easier when their "news" is fed to them by the government.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
9 Nov 09
And I know that some people will believe that crap to their dying day because they heard it on the news and they don't like Limbaugh anyway. I still have this one guy who swears that Cheney made a fortune aver Halliburton after he became vice president and they got the war contracts.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
9 Nov 09
[b] You're a librarian?! I knew there was a kindred soul in you! I wasn't that high, but I did work in a lesser capacity for over 20 years in a rare books & manuscripts library, & it was my dream job! (If you'd like to hear my story about why I still dream of that job & it's never a nightmare, send me a private post & I'll tell you! ) Meanwhile, I'm just so proud to have you as a friend, here! Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]