Do you think you were educated enough about money?

@thea09 (18305)
Greece
November 27, 2009 10:02am CST
Some people have a naturally responsible way when it comes to money which they may have learnt growing up. Others are hopeless and find themselves with mounting debt and don't know how to deal with it. When you began to take your first financial steps, maybe a credit card or a mortgage, do you feel that you really knew what you were doing? Did you understand fully the responsibilities and pit falls?
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@Lucky09 (1763)
• Philippines
27 Nov 09
hi Thea^^;; so far, i haven't been into a very difficult situation regarding money. when i was younger, i admit there had been times i need to borrow from someone very close or mostly to my mother. but after i got a job, i don't need to ask financial help anymore to someone. i have my first credit card last August and just applied for it for the purpose of booking flights. i never used it for shopping. i prefer to use cash. though some said, there are some points we earn when we use them. i wouldn't know. i'd better stay safe from using them.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Hi Lucky, if you haven't used a card before but think you may limit it completely to what you can afford to buy at that moment and pay it off in full before it is due. Try never to get into the habit of using them to buy something you actually don't have the funds to cover. They are convenient for things like flights as will give you a claim method if the airline goes bust but otherwise it's best not to use them in case you end up paying high interest on them. If you haven't been working too long get into the habit straight away of taking ten percent of your salary and putting it into savings, more if you can afford it, and turn that into a monthly habit.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Being able to save half your salary Lucky is fantastic and keep it up as long as you can. One great tip is when you get a pay rise ignore it as it wasn't money you had the day before anyway, and save it too. The more one saves when younger the more chance of getting a good start without having to borrow up to the hilt when things like mortgages come into play. Really that is a great way to start.
@Lucky09 (1763)
• Philippines
27 Nov 09
that's right thea. i have known some who couldn't manage to pay what they spend through credit cards. i know myself, im not so good at listing my expenses so i might overspend if i use credit card. and fortunately, im receiving good income so far so i also manage to save half of my salary. i have to take this chance to save because i don't know the future if i will still be receiving this kind of blessings ah by they, my credit card is still free from interest for its first year of use maybe i have to consider the interest next year
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@jewels49 (1776)
• United States
27 Nov 09
Good question..I think I was..we have never made the credit card mistake so many friends and family seem to have. It amazes me when I see people put things like groceries on a credit card that I know they are barely making payments on. They will have eaten up their purchase long before they pay for it.with interest . We delayed buying our first home until we knew we could afford not only the payments but the taxes and the upkeep that go with owning one. I think money is the one thing alot of people don't educate their kids about nearly enough. I started with mine early, prompted by a comment my little one made one day when I told him I didn't have the money to buy something he wanted and he told me I still had checks. He's grown now and a good saver.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Hi jewels, so you made good sense of financial planning by basically just being sensible and then taught and passed the habit on. With so many others mishandling these things these days I wonder what lessons they will be able to pass on about these things or if bad management will pass down a generation.
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@jewels49 (1776)
• United States
27 Nov 09
yep, good old fashion common sense a commodity sorely lacking..in my opinion. I hope the next generation is being educated to do better, not to just do what they want until the government bails them out. I long for the days of accountability and consequences.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
It is disturbing these days how many people take things like a mortgage on without having any idea of what it involves, and simply try to borrow the most they can without planning for rainy days. I'm going to go throught this doling out possibly unwanted advice as no matter where one is in the world the same basic concepts apply.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Dec 09
When I left home, was married and with a baby at 17, I knew how much money I would receive each week. I knew how much rent I had to pay, how much I needed to put away for electricity and what was left would go for food. I did not have a phone or a car. My shopping lists were worked out putting the baby first and worked out to the cent. Going out meant going for a walk. My husband, who was conscripted and away at training camp, would come home every now and then for a weekend and we would spend our time at home. So, while I was not educated about money, I was not stupid either and I knew that I would need to have money for rent, electricity and food. If I tried to pretend I did NOT know this basic stuff I would be a liar and a cheat. You don't get into debt unless you spend money you don't have. I think this is not only irresponsible but that it's cheating. I know credit card companies make it possible but anyone who spends money with no means of repaying it is a cheat.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
3 Dec 09
Hi Ms Tickle, that's basic sense which a lot of people don't have, and you wouldn't believe the numbers in credit card debt who blame the companies by giving them cards they can't handle, they seem to think it is a licence to spend. Back in the days before credit there were pawn shops around for those who couldn't handle the weekly expenses but there was less debt, as the only way you can get into debt is by spending what is not yours to spend. I raised this as I worked in finance in the UK but wasn't trained in it as such, just had the knack, but I took careful note of things along the way such as those trying to sell endowment mortgages for the commission only ever had a straight cap and repay themselves. Credit is just being introduced into Greece which is a cash society and I'm hoping that their normally sensible ways don't go out of the window.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Dec 09
I would say I wasn't educated about money at all. Not even a little bit...
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Dec 09
I didn't say I use coffee bags, just that they exist. How about some cheesecake?
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
4 Dec 09
Just as I'd expect from a woman who uses coffee bags. WHERE'S MY BROWNIE?
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
1 Dec 09
I had no idea of finances when I was growing up and even through my twenties as well. I had learned that hard work was what it took to be successful and this is what I spent much of my late teens and twenties doing. I managed to save quite a bit of money, but I also spent it all quite quickly when I decided that I needed a break from working myself to the bone! I now understand the false value in swapping time for money and have learned to work smarter and not harder. This all started when I read a book called "What I didn't learn at school and wish I had". This led to an investment and business homestudy course run by the author of the book, Jamie McIntyre. He is an Australian who is controversial because he is a self made multi millionaire who is pushing the educational boundaries that have been set by the governments here for many generations. Basically the education system here and in many western counties has failed. They have spent many years teaching people how to get a job and that is all. They do not educate kids or adults on how to live a successful life. The system wants people to get by and that is it. If you look at most of the successful business people throughout the world, they were all considered failures at school because they did not conform with the system!
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
3 Dec 09
I'm not actually the mafia you know Bill, it's just an affectionate term some have for me when they spot me consorting with odd foreigners outside the notaires office.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Dec 09
Hi Bill, well I'd go along with most of that but we do have to earn in the first place to accumulate enough to get going with things like taking on mortgages. Certainly when I did the full time employment route I knew to try and save and invest enough of my wages to change the way I was living then, so it was a case of working as a means to an end. Now I only do brain work which isn't as frequent as other types of work but doesn't involve toiling 6 days a week for less returns. That's why some of the locals call me the Mafia.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
2 Dec 09
Oh yeah, we have to earn money somehow to start off with, but most people do not know there are easy ways that are legal. (Not the Mafia way) Most people are only taught the hard way of working your life away to get anywhere! I certainly did my share of 60 hour work weeks!
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@checkmail (2039)
• India
27 Nov 09
Hello thea09 this is checkmail and think am enough educated about Money by mine knowledge and mine elders teachings.Yeah it normally depends upon our ability to use the Money properly and efficiently.Think that our learning process in life never ends, still am going on learning new things about Money.Yeah there are always two sides to Money, we have to be aware as well as careful about it. So Money and its ways is never ending stuff in our life.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Hi checkmail, yes this isn't anything about getting rich in money but in knowing how to handle it wisely. In many countries the advent of credit has led to an explosion of debt which is a cycle people struggle to get out of and can become a way of life. Just to be sensible with it is the most relevant advice for many but the ones who are money savvy can find good ways to make it grow.
• Australia
27 Nov 09
What did I learn from my mother? She was a penny pincher in the extreme. I've never known her to give. She would walk 5 miles to save a penny on a pound of mince. She bought the throw-out fruit and veg from a stall for a pittance and we had what could be salvaged from the rotten stuff. She cut up butcher paper and envelopes and sewed pages together for my school books. At the same time, she detested debt. As soon as the electricity or rates bill arrived by mail, she would rush to town (walking) to pay it - not one second to waste, even though there was a 14 day payment time. I suppose I was a mixture, having the same traits and yet also having the opposite. (rebellion?) When I started work, at a young age, because she "couldn't afford" to keep me at school, even though the teachers pleaded with her (I topped the school) I was desperate to get transport so I could spend more time away from the house. Since I worked at a car dealership, it was easy and I was soon able to spend all my waking life driving: the only place I ever felt safe and at peace. It took just about all my pay, with a little left for dresses, but I made them myself and could make a very nice dress for very little money. I soon received promotion after promotion and of course my wages went up considerably. I was able to pay off my car before the due time. I paid all the costs involved with my wedding, which left me with almost nothing when I married. I have never been in debt. I use a credit card for most purchases, but the full balance is paid each month, so I don't consider it a debt. I don't waste money but I don't begrudge spending it either. We eat the best quality meat, fruit and veg. We do not go without. We live comfortably but certainly not opulently. I like to get the best deal on anything I buy. I will chase specials (within reason) and I will bargain for bigger discounts when buying larger items.
• Australia
27 Nov 09
"Calling friends"? You're joking! I cannot remember ANYONE ever visiting - and I never had a friend. Once, when a neighbour called in, she was greeted with "What are you doing here? Haven't you got a home of your own?" by my stepfather. When I was 12 my mother bought a piece of material at a shop that was closing down. She gave it to me for my birthday and told me to make myself a dress - no pattern, no sewing machine; just a needle and cotton. That was the beginning and I've made all my own clothes since - and slacks, shirts, ties, coats etc for the boys, and safari suits for 3 of the boys and hubby. Necessity is a great teacher!
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Hi cloud, so good money sense was ingrained at an early age, tell me did your mother also request that any calling friends stand on a piece of newspaper to keep the floor cleaned or were friends not encouraged? Home made clothes too? Tough one about the school though, she could have just made you pay the way by working in the non school hours preferably at a job which would have also fed you. Am I catching on. Obviously frugality was instilled but you emerged from it with full sense.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Ah yes, the homemade clothes. I never did take to sewing for some reason.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
29 Nov 09
Many People have had absolutely no training in money management as a Young Person or Adult,unless they've gone into finance as a career,and even then in light of the recession,that's not much better in some cases..I've posted other discussions mentioning Journo Martin Lewis and his UK based moneysavingexpert website and user forum,which has been a great help to Many-contributors post good deals and financial advice and tips on how to get yourself out of debt if You're in that situation,or how to stay out of it if You're not-He's an advocate of financial education being brought in to schools as a subject,and in his most recent (free!) email/newsletter recently,it looks as though wheels are turning that way..there's a free PDF downloadable booklet for Young People on the site to bring them up to speed with things they need to know when dealing with Money,Credit,etc..The thing is,Many mistakenly think Banks are there to help them get what they want by offering them easy credit..Banks are in business to make Money,and giving people credit cards galore and only expecting a minimum monthly payment in return seems like a good deal,until you realise that only making minimum payments on even a relatively low credit card balance can take 20+ YEARS to pay back!..and yet people still fall into this trap..I thought I was doing ok,having fully repaid several car loans over time,paying rent and then Mortgage payments, until I sat down and worked out what I actually owed-it was a shock,but I've pulled out of the downward spiral I hadn't realised I was on,have repaid and quit several of the cards I had,and am making inroads on the last few..If You're not sure of where You are Financially,get some advice and sort things out..it's for the best.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
29 Nov 09
Hi Shepherdspy, i agree that many people have no idea of the pitfalls in this type of dealing and should look into this matter before hand, rather than when it becomes a problem. With good sense applied one can make credit work to ones own advantage and I stick to the idea that credit should only be used by those who have enough in the bank to cover whatever it is they wish to purchase on credit. For instance is a store is offering something interest free for a year the first thing to do is offer cash for a discounted price, if that is not the store policy but one wants the item and the price is right then take the interest free option and invest the money in a high interest account rather than part with it immediately so you retain the funds to make interest for you whilst having the item. Mortgages should be seen as a means to an end and not as a financial source for borrowing on, and should only ever be taken on a repayment basis with the option of paying more than the required amount so that the overall interest due is nothing like what one can actully end up paying if payments are spread long term. IT's not all about debt but about working these things to ones own advantage and thus playing the banks back at their own game.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
30 Nov 09
Back for a few hours! It is very hard...to get a tutorialship in financial matters, when one grows up up abject poverty. The only thing it teaches one is frugality...possibly a good lesson, with it's own share of pitfalls, as one harbors great fears of returning to that existence again, even tho' they have the tools to fall back on! I truly wish I had greater financing acumen...but honestly do NOT spend the time to gain it! I have a fear of the power of the almighty dollar! HUGZ & CHEERS!
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Dec 09
Hi shirley, I hope the nasty storms have lifted a bit for you. I think ours are due to hit again this week and the summer blip appears to have passed. I would think that abject poverty would certainly be enough of an influence to never lead one into the credit trap. On the other hand I have the financial acumen but rarely get a chance to apply it beyond the frugality part these days.
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• Australia
27 Nov 09
I was always taught to work hard & pay your bills however, I have never learned to budget which was hard in the beginning as I was paying my bills & not leaving enough money to live on but now I find it easier to manage as I have been doing this for years.
• Australia
27 Nov 09
This is true however, I do still struggle sometimes with my own budgeting. The credit thing is fairly big here too.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Budgeting can be tricky when they keep sticking another 20% on all the bills without any warning.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Hi moonchild, actually I don't know if the credit society and debt is such a massive thing in Australia as it is in the Uk and America. At least having taught yourself you'll be able to teach your children how to budget as well as the hard work ethic.
@SomeCowgirl (32189)
• United States
27 Nov 09
No I don't think I understood or appreciated it enough. I think I just gave up on the bank and totally forgot about the credit card, so ended up with a lot of interest and debt. Luckily my husband and I paid all the debt I had off before we were married. I didn't want to mar his name too! So we went to the bank and got it all figured out and the lady there commended me on paying the debt off before we married. So now we have no debt and I appreciate money all that better. I think back and wonder where I went wrong. I know I spent a lot of money on friends that I no longer consider friends, and a lot of money I could have been using to pay off the debt. That no longer matters now though, I learnt my lesson. My husband and I will save and plan so as to never be in debt again. My husband and I will improve our credit in ways that we'll get a loan and pay the payments on time!
@SomeCowgirl (32189)
• United States
29 Nov 09
They say somethings can't be learned except for experiencing it yourself. We do intend to be quite educated about all their is to know so we don't get in over our heads!
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
30 Nov 09
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
Hi Amber, I'm glad you got that behind you so its less likely to happen again. I really hope you can learn as much as you can before you take on that mortgage for that dream house of yours and that you get it one day.
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@sunny68 (1327)
• India
28 Nov 09
i think it very much depends upon the region you live in and the environment. out here we are taught two lessons - one - save for rainy day, and second - debt is a bad thing. falling into debt is considered a very bad thing here so by and large people are extremely cautious here. to an extent that credit cards are not very popular (many consider it a show-off). however debit cards are finding acceptance. gold is the first preference for investment (that itself assures a decent stability). in general when it comes to financial matters...most people here are very cautious.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
28 Nov 09
Hi sunny, that's the best way to be. IT's the same way in Greece too with credit cards only just being introduced but I don't expect they will become popular as here people prefer to peel a note from a roll to indicate they have money, even if the roll they peel from is all they have. Debt through housing and credit is widespread in the countries where it has become the norm, perhaps because these things are introduced to a population not used to dealing with them.
@sunny68 (1327)
• India
1 Dec 09
here there are also some strict rules for debt. as per government regulations the monthly installments cannot exceed 50% of your income. so this does put a limit on debt. however loan for housing is popular and the logic is that it is better to pay installments rather than rent. so property is booming. and now loan for a car is also gaining acceptance. apart from these two people rarely get into debt.
@artistry (4151)
• United States
29 Nov 09
...Hi thea, Hope everyone is well. Not at all, when you are young and you get your first credit card, you run out and charge to the moon not knowing what you can get yourself tied to. Kids in college are being given all kinds of credit cards, incurring debt that will take them years to pay off. In fact the business world and our financial managers in the government, even the Federal Reserve have shown that they don't even know enough about how to keep our books balanced. Look at the U. S. deficit. There needs to be more education all over the place. What is that saying "a little knowledge is dangerous". That is surely the truth. Take care.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
29 Nov 09
Hi artistry, students incurring debts is another matter as is national deficits, again I was referring to the individual taking on credit or mortgages without acquainting themselves with the facts. A little knowledge on these matters can actually lead to working them well to ones own advantage but I agree with your overall sentiment that enough is known on financial matters.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
30 Nov 09
Is it obligatory to take a 30 year mortage over there or are there not better terms available? That is a long debt to deal with knowing that the house is actually owned by the bank for 30 years. The option of a short term mortgage or one which can be reduced by overpayment to make it a shorter period is one way to counteract the vast amount of interest which banks impose.
@artistry (4151)
• United States
29 Nov 09
....Hi thea, you addressed credit cards or mortgages in your first sentence. I was talking about students having credit cards which can result in long term debt, and not seeing the whole picture. The deficit is another debt that the government has undertaken for a very, very long time and is sort of like a great big mortgage, but with treasury bills being the collateral instead of a house. Lastly a mortgage and credit cards are very much alike with both having APR's and interest rates, one is set for 30 years and the other could run for 30 years of payments if you charge that much, just not written for a 30 year term. One has more paper work than the other but both are debts with time payments. We can certainly agree to disagree but my points were to your question. Take care.
@sunnycool (12714)
• India
28 Nov 09
Not Every one is wiser when it comes to spending money or earning it.It is an step by step by step process which makes us wiser where your downfalls would suggest you where you shouldnt invest your money any more or how to avoid risks and success helps your way to become rich and helps us understand how fruitful it would be if you work hard with strong determination..
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
29 Nov 09
Hi sunnycool, I wasn't asking about earning or spending money at all but if one felt that one understood the first steps if taking out credit cards or mortgages which are big responsibilities. I wanted to know if people felt that they actually knew what they were doing when taking on such commitements.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
30 Nov 09
You should be safe enough then if you've already seen the mess they can cause. They can be used to advantage without doubt if you don't fall for any of the easy options like paying off only the mininum amount. I had one for the express purpose of acquiring points for a particular thing so used it even for things like the grocery shopping when I had the money in the account to simply pay by debit card, but I cleared it in full the moment the bill came in. Here in Greece it is a cash society and credit cards are only just appearing and I'm hoping they don't take off and create debt where it doesn't now exist.
@sunnycool (12714)
• India
30 Nov 09
oh sorry about that i misunderstood it Thea.At the first go any one would spend money for sure lavishly and later clear of all those billings with lots of interest mounting up. My father had done the same and ended with 3 credit cards coz he just applied and they were issued.he never had an idea how much burden they put on us that too 3 cards after the 50 days period which carries interest. He had to clear all those cards and we stick to only one now which is used only for online shopping by me or in case of Emergency for money. Coming to me i have seen the live experience with my father how tough it would be to clear the debt later.so I knew how to deal with Credit cards in my college days itself.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
28 Nov 09
I had my first education when I was young. I observed how people spend their money and why sometimes they seem to have a lot but still not spending a lot. Other than that, I also notice my love ones loving to save a little penny here and there, which I've seen reaching up to a point of $500 and more. So I have the mindset that those pennies truly work. The more we save, the more better it is. That's why I have the thought to keep on saving money; that's more awesome than anything else. Saving for a rainy day - I like that quote very much.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
5 Dec 09
LOL... I know what you mean. I am not a big fan of credit cards and will never subscribe even though I am a big saver, ha. But I think credit cards can be useful to purchase some products though. Good topic, Thea..
@saundyl (9783)
• Canada
14 Dec 09
I think that i need to be more educated on things like mortgages or even investing. I think it would be nice if schools in SK would cover this more in their regular ciriculum as a life skill. More pratcial than some of the other things they teach. Budgeting, affects of bad credit or good credit, how to fix credit, mortgages and what different things mean when it comes to money would all be a good thing to teach. Its hard for parents to teach it because some of the parents dont know much in those areas either. I remember being quite surprised when i moved out on my own how many things required deposits and such - kids should be told that!
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
14 Dec 09
Hi saundyl, there should be some kind of education given before people embark on these financial decisions. There are many women too who are left alone who have never been responsible for paying a bill on their own and are left clueless. I think banks at least should take some responsibiltiy to explain major products before selling them on without making people aware of the pitfalls. So many people presume mistakenly that they own their own house when they have a mortgage and its simply not true. Until the mortgage is paid off the bank own the house.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
27 Nov 09
I think i have always beenpretty responsible w/money , i had to be & had a few pitfalls along the way of course. I bought my first house when i was around 30 & by then i pretty well had learned my p's & q's.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
27 Nov 09
well, thank u, niece. taht was nice of u to say.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Nov 09
I wouldn't have expected anything else but that from you Aunty. Running the business would have kept you wise to all that as well.
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@lindiebiz (1006)
• Canada
28 Nov 09
I must confess I am not really financially educated as I would love to be, however, I generally dont like to make commitments until I am very sure of what I am doing cause it is difficult to back out of such commitments
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
28 Nov 09
Hi lindiebiz, just being aware that a financial step is indeed a big step and a large committment is the first step of being financially educated I would say, too often people throw caution to the wind as something is available but no regard is given to the details and small print involved. A lot of it stems from common sense in realising that whatever line of credit is offered is offered to try and make profit from you.
• Philippines
28 Nov 09
no, not very well. still up to this moment i am trying ways to same from my salary. i have not enough savings yet for my old age. i can say that i am not fully educated yet about money, however, i am willing to be educated.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
28 Nov 09
Hi alexysabelle, I think those who start off with the habit of saving end up being naturally more cautious and curious when it comes to bigger financial commitments later so you are on the right path to start with. There is so much information out there pertaining to sensible ways to deal with money but many are more swayed by the lure of the moment and instant credit.
• Philippines
4 Feb 10
that's correct thea... thanks and take care...
@kingparker (9673)
• United States
12 Feb 10
From the past, there were too much fund were available to people, and they had taken it for granted. Like credit card and personal loans. They keep on borrowing money and spend them without a serious consideration of being indebted. That is the problem with our people, who borrow money and spend money irresponsibly. This trend should change, and we should learn how to spend our money wisely.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
14 Feb 10
Hello Clorissa my dear, you know I have to agree totally with you. Americans take too much for granted and borrow far too much. There would be so much less debt if people only had the sense not to get into debt in the first place, and that means living within ones means.