Nelson sells out.......

@xfahctor (14113)
Lancaster, New Hampshire
December 19, 2009 8:56am CST
This is just comming in so no details yet. Apparently Senator Nelson has a grred to be the 60th vote in the senate to pass their uinconsitutional, insurance company christmas gift garbage pice of healthcare legislation. It has been said he was offered a similar deal as was Mary Landreou (spelling?) Ok.....so, tell me honetly, do you think this adds meerit to the story he was actually blackmailed with a base closing as was reported the other day? Or do you think he was bribed as the "virtuous" senator from Louisiana was? One spells tyrany on the pert of the white house, the other spells corruption on the senators part, neither spells anything good for our country.
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@artistry (4151)
• United States
19 Dec 09
...Hi xfahctor, They ALL sold out. And I mentioned somewhere before, 2012 ends the Obama administration's term, you can't threaten someone with something you don't have, the review for base closures comes around in 2013, so put that to rest. But my hope on this, because the Dems wanted a bill at any cost after 40 years and that's what they have, is that they start with a block of stone and they carve a statue out of it, with something tangible and meaningful for the American people. Rework and rewrite is what I feel they will do in the coming years, most of the things don't take effect for years anyway. In the mean time people should be writing and calling for some sense of fairness in health care. Our taxes pay for the excellent health insurance the lawmakers have, so what about us?
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
20 Dec 09
It really is sad that so many just don't care about these bribes. One Republican even said something like "I guess he was just playing The Price is Right".
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Dec 09
I realize it would be an empty threat, the point was the threat itself, empty or not, was still wrong. I see now though the reason he claims he changed his vote was because of some language changes in the anti-abortion funding sections and the sweet deal he got his state on mediciad (was was bought out in other words)
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• United States
20 Dec 09
X, I hate to tell you this, but this is how things happen in Washington. Every administration has made deals with the devil to get legislation passed (remember NAFTA?). It is hard to blame Nelson, he is doing what he was elected to do: Take care of the people from his state. The system is to blame for this, but the problem is changing the system. I hate to say this, but this is business as usual in Washington. But, it his health care program does what we have been told it will, then this deal will end up being much better for the country, than Mr. Nelson, and his state.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
20 Dec 09
So the ends justify the means. All the bribes and the theft to pay for those bribes are justified as long as you approve the outcome.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
20 Dec 09
It's pretty sad that you think bribery is just fine. You keep saying it happens all the time, well so does murder, rape, theft, etc. Should we all just shrug and say "Oh, that happens"? I don't care if it happened during another president's term. I don't care if it's been going on since Grant was president. It's wrong and we shouldn't accept it so casually.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Dec 09
"But, it his health care program does what we have been told it will...." The key phrase. But, if it does what who told us it will? I haven't heard a straight or honest answer from any of them from either side on any of it and sicne the bill was just released a day ago, no one has had time to look through it and see what it will do, nor sort out the mind numbing lelgalese in it to find the specifics. I do know one thing it does that I am oposed to and it will null any bill that contains it...that being the mandate that every u.s. citizen must purchase health coverage, I will not support any bill that has that provision. and yes, i do realize this is business as usual in washington. Does it mean we shouldn't point it out at all? Does it mean we shouldnt point it out as long as it acomplishes a greater good? Does it mean we should only point it out if our party isn't in office? When do we start calling it out for the corruption it is?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
19 Dec 09
Just to be honest I do believe that Nelson was ever against this bill. The best thing for a politician to do is to be against a bill that your party is behind. To get behind a bill early is a give up, holding out for the top dollar is best. Shake down your party leadership for what ever you can get for your vote. True they are playing with someone else's money but what do they really care about that. It is paramount to a den of thieves trying to outmaneuver each over for a bigger share of the loot.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Dec 09
Well, it's out, he was bribed. SOB got a nice little deal on perpetual medicaid finding for the state of nebraska.
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• United States
20 Dec 09
X, how many people did Reagan "bribed" when he was president? Remember all of the deals he made with Tip O'Neal? Do you think anyone was "bribed" during that time?
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
20 Dec 09
How does the action of a Republican justify the actions of a Democrat. If the actions of Republicans are bad the Democrat action must be the opposite or then they are just as bad. So if RR practiced bribery and that is wrong, Democrats bribing Sen. Nelson is just as wrong.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Dec 09
I dont know which one it is, but it stinks. the senators are dropping like flies. That is a good thing but trying to fix this crap is going to be next to impossible.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 Dec 09
This shouldn't surprise anyone. I'm not sure whether he was bribed or blackmailed, but the end result is the same. If I were to oppose a bill that my party supported, I wouldn't do what he or Lieberman did by announcing such. I think that such grandstanding is basically a way of asking for bribes. The only remaining democrat who I think may vote against it is Even Bayh and he hasn't said a word. We'll see how that turns out. Either way, the bill is complete garbage. You saw my thread on it. Not ONE person can tell me exactly what's in the bill that's good. Ask any senator or congressman and I'll bet you'd get the same response.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Dec 09
Well, we know now what happened, he was bought out. Nebraska got a nice little deal on perpetual medicaid funding. Another one who figured out the gaming system and profited from it. Cripe, if I was rich enough I could buy the entire senate and maybe restore a constitutional republic and FIRE everyone of the thiving bastardds.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Dec 09
lol, well, I guess I should start putting in bids then, I could get myself a pretty sweet deal if I do this right.
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• United States
20 Dec 09
X, how many times have I told you that our entire government is for sale?
• United States
21 Dec 09
I have some questions about this. Isn't it pay for play...which is a felony. I mean come on...if a lobbyist would have given tons of money to him for his vote he would be in jail. But the democrats to get his vote wrote into the bill that ONLY his state gets an increase in medicare funding and it additional cost of it is not being paid by the state either. But with our federal tax dollars...forever. Yep the rest of us are going to be paying for this. So basically his vote got bought. Someone should be in jail for this. A lot of someone's actually. Also I will have to do some checking on it....but isn't it against the law for the FEDERAL government to make or pass a law or that only applies to ONE state? The increase in the bill would only effect one state....not all of them. Not all of medicare just one state's medicare. Which is not the job of the FEDERAL government. It passes laws that effect the whole country....it can't say well Texas we want you guys taxed at 40% and the rest of the country at 20%. It can't write laws (that I know of) that will only effect or apply to one state. BUt I will check into this some more. ALso I am thinking of calling the attorney general's office and seeing what they say. I would think this would be illegal. But the real question is....is anyone going to do anything about it.