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myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics 3 years ago

According to a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll the "Tea Party" movement is more popular with the public than either of the major political parties with a net-positive 41-23 percent score, which means 41% of those polled viewing it positively and 23% negatively. The GOP has a net-negative rating of 28% positive with 43% negative and the Democrats, for the first time in more than two years also have a net-negative rating of 35-45%.

76% of those who get their news from Fox view the Tea Party favorably with only 4% negatively. That's much different from how viewers of CNN and MSNBC view the movement; with 36% viewing it negatively and only 24% positively. Viewers of mostly broadcast TV - the major networks - are split 28-27%.

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It seems that the Republicans are trying to reach out to the teapartiers, at least some of them are. I've heard more than one commentator on TV claim that if the GOP and Tea Party merged they'd really trounce the Democrats. I'm not so sure.

Am I wrong when I say the teaparty movement has been taken over pretty much by the far right and that they may not be very accepting of some of the more moderate Republicans and that without some moderates - of which there are VERY few in office right now - there is little chance of regaining and keeping a majority? Basically I'm asking if you think candidates chosen by the tea party movement will have a chance of winning elections on a national level outright or will they hurt one of the major parties and act as spoilers? If you answer the latter, which party do you think they'll hurt the most?

Annie

 

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1. myLot reputation of 86/100. smartie0317 (1302)   ranked 981 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Our country is a funny one. We've had more than one party before and it didn't work. We used to have four politic parties that would get about equal votes each and would have equal power. However many presidents, including Lincoln, were winning without the majority voting them. Logically, they only have to get 26%, or more, of the votes to win if the other votes were divided equally among the three other groups. This is also why we have an electorial college. If this teaparty thing goes work, I think it will negatively affect Democrats. Many Americans are Republican but don't want the "stigma" of a Republican label.


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

So you're saying more people agree with the Republicans but are too embarrassed to associate themselves with them? To me it would seem that if you have two groups that are conservative and one that's liberal to moderate the two conservative groups would take from one another. Even if they were in the majority they wouldn't win because they'd be divided.

Annie

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2. myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 80 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

ok so i take it the tea party movement is the far right and not what it sounds like (grannies who lunch)? is this what they call themselves? because i seem to remember somebody saying that using the word tea to describe somebody's politics was derogatory


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

lol, tea party is the defacto name of the movement...."tea baggers" was the derogitory term used by the media and other imature folks, look up the term "rea bagging" in the urban dictionary....lol...
Like I explained in my post, this movement isnt about conservative ro liberal, most of these folks though they may describe themselves as conservaitve folks, it's more about an unintrusive constitutional government.


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Many who are very active in the movement are far right, as far as I'm concerned. Sorry, X, but they ARE...lol! Whatever word best describes them, they stand for the opposite of what I stand for from what I've seen.

Annie


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

So annie, you stand for big intrusive government, slowly eroding liberty with things like the patriot act and such? I know I have called you a statist in the past but it was tongue in cheek.


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

No, X, I don't believe in "big intrusive government" and I think you know what I think of the Patriot Act. However, if that's how you describe a government that makes sure all of the people have access to affordable health care, preferably with a public option to compete with insurance companies if not a single-payer system, then label me all you want.

Annie


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

*facepalm
Annie, your still arguing in extremes and strawmen. Did I say that a national healthcare program had to mean big intrusive government? No, I didn't. How it all gets put together is going to determine whether or not it is big and intrusive government. So far, everything proposed HAS been. Does this mean we can't do it with out big and intrusive government? Again, the answer is an emphatic and resounding NO.
I have a question for you, a serious question. This is a question one has been able to answer yet. Your not allowed to answer it with a counter question, pointing to the previous administration, or to a politcal party though. Two questions actually...
1. Do you support the current proposed bill in either the house or senate?
2. What is it about either bill you like, what does it acomplish (specifics please) and what text in the bill tells you it acomplishes this?

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3. myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Excelent discusion annie, no overt partisanship, no mention of a certain former governor (that had to be hard...lol...kidding rasp), nicely done.
I first want to comment on what a profoundly signifigant thing this poll says about the state of our nation, where a political party that doesn't even really exist is now mutlitudes more popular than either of the two parties that do exist. People are fed up...really fed up. But this is no suprise to me, I predicted this over a year ago and once again *toots own horn* I was right.....Im a sage...lol...
I wouldn't say its been taken over by the far right, step back a little and look at the bigger picture. It is asociated with the conservative ideal, but that is only part of the picture, this is mostly people who are now seeing that conservative or liberal isn't as important as belief in a non intrusive, constitutional government.
Sure there have been hijackings, from the republicans who jumped on the bandwagon, some of whom are booed off the stage at the tea party rallies sometimes. I so want to grab republicans like that and shake them by the shirt collar and yell "why are you here? your part of the problem we're fighting!" There are unfotunately more extreme types and even a few racists groups trying to align themselves with it too, but often they too are driven out of rallies. And of course too the ocaisional agents provacteurs that show up, but their usualy pretty easy to spot.
I don't see the tea party at large ever really merging with the tea parties in any large way, like I said, most see the republicans as part of the problem and many aren't really going to buy the whole "penetant sinner" shtick any more, we're all had enough of that one.
I think in the congressional races, what effect a tea party associated independants will have is going to vary from district to district. It's ging to be a season of wild cards, lol, I hate lection season but I am looking forward to this one, its going to be very interesting I think. As for the presidential elections in 2012...gahd...who knows, still a long way and things are pretty fluid right now, contantly changing. That poll you posted came only a mere couple weeks after one that showed the same hypatheticl situaion soundly marginalizing the republicans but handing democrats a win...now just a few short weeks later, it shifted prety signifigantly.
I don't honetly think either party fully understands the deep trouble they are in. They still dont get it, it isn't about a bigger or smaller tent....the bigger picture they are still missing is we want our camp site back.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Typo:
"I don't see the tea party at large ever really merging with the tea parties in any large way"
should read:
"I don't see the tea party at large ever really merging with the republicans in any large way"


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

About your correction, X, I must be a mind reader because I read that sentence as you meant it before you corrected it, I didn't even notice the error...lol! I agree about how quickly these polls can change, even flip completely. It all depends on what's happened in the few days before the poll is taken, more or less.

Personally, I'd like to start a "Common Sense Party"!

Annie














































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myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

"Personally, I'd like to start a "Common Sense Party"!"
Blasphemy! Sacrilige! how DARE you!
lol

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4. myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1837)   ranked 333 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

It doesn't surprise me really. I am sure if you polled Americans on how we should elect our president in the future, the majority would pick voting on American Idol. We many be the best country in the world, but not the most intelligent.


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

You can say - or type - THAT again...lol!

Annie

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5. myLot reputation of 96/100. gr8esama (943)   ranked 908 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Sometimes I get nervous when I think about the plot of 1984, and how the event responsible for putting Big Brother in charge of things as wholly as he had it was a revolution. In the beginning there was a revolution and everyone was excited because they hated the way things were, how unfair it all was, but then in the chaos of the revolution the real motivation came clear. And what was once a thriving capitalist society fell away into a fascist regime.

Even if "The Tea Party" came into existence, it would be some time before their canditates would be anything more than a Lame Duck in the house. With the Electoral College and the two-party system (that our fore-fathers were against the very idea of...) even if a person who is not Republican or Democrat gets elected they will still not have the full political power that one of those candidates would have.

While I completely agree with the dissent going on in the underbelly of modern America, I fear we are grossly misdirected from the real enemy. The struggle we face is based around the Federal Reserve and its ability to create money out of nothing (that is, money doesn't exist until you take out a loan and go into debt). Most of the money circulating doesn't exist in the first place, and because of interest the whole thing becomes this giant sliding pit trap. Everyone ends up pouring their money into supporting the system that made up the money, and now no one knows how to make that stop without millions of us starving to death. All of this guides the movements of those with the political power.

At the moment, your "vote" at the check-out stand counts for a whole lot more than your vote at the voting booth.

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6. myLot reputation of 48/100. iriscot (792)   ranked 556 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

It looks like Fox news achieved another "E" rating. In my years of schooling that "E" stands for Failure, not excellant. What else could you expect from Fox!LOL


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

When you only watch one source for news and when they only show one side, I guess it's not surprising!

Annie


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6782)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Sorry Annie, but he's not talking about MSNBC.

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7. myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6782)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

I'm not sure what you mean about the difference between "popularity" and "favorability"; please give me your definition of each! I'm also interested in an example or two of the moderate Republicans you say actually exist. They used to but they've obviously been given their marching orders...either toe the line or get banished from the tent!

I disagree about the tea party movement not having any clear leaders. There's Glenn Beck, there's D1ck Armey, there's Michele Bachmann along with some other Republicans in Congress who have certainly done everything possible to assert themselves into the movement. I'm not sure if Sarah Palin wants to be associated with the tea partiers or not. Anyway, I realize some of the average people who attend tea parties and identify with them may not necessarily hold the same views as these right-wing politicians but I still think if there are any candidates from that group in the future they will split the conservative vote and possibly help the Democrats.

Annie


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6782)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Here you go Annie. I'm honestly surprised some people just don't understand the difference between the two. Perhaps I should have used Kanye West as an example.

http://www.merriam-webste...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/popular

"I'm also interested in an example or two of the moderate Republicans you say actually exist."

John McCain and Chuck Hagel are both moderate republicans. If you don't think they're moderate enough than I could just point to Snowe or Collins as they vote with the Democrats 75% to 80% of the time. As I'm sure you know Olympia Snowe worked very hard to be a part of this health care bill. She really wanted it to be something she could vote for, but that the democrats shut her and every other republican out focusing only on getting other democrats to support it.

There are people who have tried to assert themselves in the movement, but Beck, Bachmann, and Armey are still not leaders of the movement.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

There really are no clear leaders in this movement really. there are people who the media presents as leaders, there are even politicians jumping on the band wagon that are being shown as examples of it's leaders. The real leaders are the every day folks involved.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

If a "leader" was needed though, I would gladly hand the reigns to someone like Rand Paul, he is a good liberty minded young and uprising figure. His father, Ron Paul of course is another good one I'd like to see as a leader in it. There are a few state reps in my state that come to mind. I don't howver see someone like Most of the figures in congress or news media fitting the bill at all, it would seem counter productive to it.

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