Let's Kill the Healthcare Bill  

I can tell you why. Because he has not read the health care bill. He has not studied it. He does not know what it in it. All he knows is what politicians are saying. The politicians he is listening to are the ones who have taken huge contributions from the insurance companies. Did you know that insurance companies have paid more money to lobby the bill in the past ten months than they paid to cover medical costs in the past year?

He is listening blindly to politicians who are lying to him. he is not thinking for himself, but is believing the lies of these politicians.

And when he or a loved one loses his job and loses his insurance, and cannot get health care because of a pre-existing condition, he has to choose between paying the rent and paying for his insulin, he is going to wake up and say "Oh my god! They lied to me!" and realize how wrong he was. But until that day, he will just believe what he is told.

Bare,
I know you say you live part of the time in our country but that does not give you the expertise to understand our politics.
Please do not pretend to understand the complexities of our government if you do not live here and pay the taxes and live with the consequences of the idiotic actions of these boneheads in the White House.

I think America has more illegals than Canada has citizens. And we definitely have more unemployed than Canada has citizens. These are people NOT contributing to the tax pot but still receiving medical care.

In short: Cananda with the US's circumstances would go bankrupt 10-times over trying to implement universal healthcare. And like what's stated above me, most don't even know what's in the bill yet they still support it with the hyperbole of people dying in the streets if something isn't done. Ridiculous.

I'm glad so many people are willing to think only the best of America's crooks we have in government and blame everything on private industry. Just, please, stay up there with that way of thinking. We have enough down here willing to throw their hands up in their air and allow government to completely control our lives.

Barehugs

May I be so bold as to ask how often you use your health care and for what?

opalina, since you speak as if to be knowlegable on this, I am assuming you have read the latetest version of the bill, which is quite a feat since
a. its over 2500 pages long
b. it hasn't been released for public viewing yet.
But lets assume the latest version including amendments has been available online to read for the sake of argument. Perhaps you could post some of the relevent text from the sections you think are beneficial and will improve the ability of people to pay for their healthcare. Not party talking points, I want bill text and explanations from you on what the portion of text acomplishes.

Barehugs, just because there is a bill does not automaticly mean it is good. Have you read it somewhere? Do you know what it does and how it does it? A bill's mere existence does nothing if the bill is crap.

Canadians are most fortunate, in that we have peace of mind about our personal health. Every Canadian is completely covered, no matter what our health problem. No Canadian has to pay Insurance Premiums. There is NO Insurance involved with our Plan.Our plan is financed by a Goods and service Tax of 5% on most things we buy except the necessities of life. Nobody likes a tax, but we are content with the Goods and Service tax because the benefits of it are very obvious. We feel its a very fair way to pay for our Health Plan.
The Plan has been in effect since 1984, and My family and I have made use of it many times, in many ways. We are very happy with the Health Care Plan.

Well, you have a system that works for you and your happy with it. Great, though having spent a good deal of time in Ontario, I am not totaly oblivious to the basics of the system up there. I also know a bit of the hugely cvontrovery that ensued when it was first administered in (Manitoba(? I know what is basicly covered and not covered in Ontario, though I don't know what province you live in so I can't speak to how it's system works.
I would love to see something come out of our congress that
a. is constitutional
b. wasn't forced on me
c. wasn't thousands of pages long
d. covered those who truly needed it, fully and equally
e. didn't run our economy in to the basment
f. didn't compromise the quality and avialability.
So far, nothing has come out even remotely close. It isn't about helping health care with them, it's nothing more than a pisssing match between two dysfunctional and corrupt parties, each using this as a way to get more power and money, we have a dysfunctional and out of control congress. I wouldn't trust these people to legislate a dog catcher policy, let alone something as massive and important as a healtch care financing assistance program. Something as big and complex as this is outright dangerous if we get it wrong, far more dangerous than doing nothing right now, we absloutely cannot do this with a "just do something, anything" mentality, that's suicide.

Exactly X,
I think that a lot of people in this site from other countries are unhappy with their socialized medicine in their country. I got into quite a firefight with another discussion on this very subject.
Some are happy but for the most part the people I've talked with here are not.
I would also venture to say that if you are not used to our idea of freedom as we are here in the states you may not be aware of how we feel about those freedoms.
And the thing I have always noticed about freedoms is this.....it aint free.
So when someone starts talking to me about freedoms I would suggest they actually do their homework and look at facts before spouting off about how well this kind of thing works. If they have proof that it's a better deal then let them show us some figures and some facts based on actual success stories rather than slapping my hand because I so obviously do not wish to help my fellow man....according to one mylotter here.

The American people have spoken, and they do not want socialized medical care. There are plenty of other things that can be done to make health care affordable and available to most Americans.

It's a damn shame that the politicians are deaf...they made it a bill today....frickin boneheads...

opalina, since you speak as if to be knowlegable on this, I am assuming you have read the latetest version of the bill, which is quite a feat since
a. its over 2500 pages long
b. it hasn't been released for public viewing yet.
But lets assume the latest version including amendments has been available online to read for the sake of argument. Perhaps you could post some of the relevent text from the sections you think are beneficial and will improve the ability of people to pay for their healthcare. Not party talking points, I want bill text and explanations from you on what the portion of text acomplishes.

Oh....almost forgot...
"The same people who told you there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"
So, the intelligence agencies of the UK, Germany, Poland, Isreal and the U.S. told him what was in the healthcare bill?

opal, to answer your question, no I have not read the gargantuan healthcare bill, and I doubt anyone else has. Those who will be voting on it should at least read it first, but they unfortunately have not been given time to study what they will be voting on. However, I have grown weary of watching the democrat party play badminton over the parts of the bill they are interested in, and so I feel reasonably sure that whatever those voting on the bill know, I know. And I know I don't want this box of snakes the Senate is calling a Christmas present.

I'd also like to know exactly what people read that they're basing their final support on.

A lot of supporters are jumping down people's throats, saying, "You don't know what's in it!"

Well, who does?

Who read the 400 page amendment that made its way in and was voted through when I was asleep? (And I'm a night owl lol) Which version are they reading, the House or the Senate? Did they read all of it, or did they just watch MSNBC to catch what the Republicans are supposedly "lying" about, and then go to the bill for (a different interpretation) "truth"?

If anybody has read it, and we're the stupid ones, then, by all means, make a post in the political section and spell it out for the rest of us. I'm with hornswaggled on this one. If we're the blind, be neo-Jesus and help us see the light.

If somebody knows what the final legislation is going to be after weeding through the pork and reference rhetoric and the last-minute amendments and the constant changes, enlighten the rest of us!

Of course, you'll just hear, "It's not my responsibility, bla bla" or, "Read it yourself! I'm not telling you" or, "'Death Panels' really means bla bla" or something rude, cryptic, with a lot of exclamation points and no substance.

I believe those Congresspersons more concerned about getting funds for their own states than they are about the will of the people concerning the healthcare bill, are going to find they can't bribe their constituents with goodies, and they will join the ranks of the unemployed come Nov. 2010 when their states vote them out of office.

Well, tell that to your compatriot up above there, barehugs, I could use a little canadian back up...lol

I have seen more negative comments on MyLot from Canadians about their healthcare situation than I have positive comments.

Oh our healthcare up here is good as long as you just go for your annual checkup and they say nothing is wrong and if you are in the right age bracket and have the right favorite condition. But the doctors here are paid a set rate and guess where the good ones go to? Down to the States.