URGENT! House Dems Plan to Pass Health Care Bill WITHOUT a Vote!  |
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| With all the media in a flurry of activity, counting up the votes to see if Pelosi can muster enough to pass the Senate bill, House Democrats are busy behind the scenes devising a plan to pass Health Care WITHOUT a vote. That's right, they plan to do it by RULE. According to National Journal's Congress Daily: "House Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter is prepping to help usher the healthcare overhaul through the House and potentially avoid a direct vote on the Senate overhaul bill, the chairwoman said Tuesday. "Slaughter is weighing preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill passed once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes to the Senate version. "Slaughter has not taken the plan to Speaker Pelosi as Democrats await CBO scores on the corrections bill. 'Once the CBO gives us the score, we'll spring right on it,' she said." The House will rule that the Senate bill is deemed to have passed the House without ever taking or recording a vote on it. This is the true usurping of power. Congress will pass a bill into law that has NOT been voted on NOR passed by both the House and Senate. There is more information in these links: http://www.washingtonexam... http://www.redstate.com/l... Pelosi is holding an emergency closed door meeting with House Democrats this morning. What do you bet that this proposition is what is being discussed? Regardless of your position on the health care bill, even if you support it, do you support this unconstitutional move to pass legislation WITHOUT a vote? If this happens, do our elections mean anything? Do our votes count for anything? Do we still have a representative form of government or is government now and forever usurping those powers that are supposed to rest in the hands of the people? | | | | | |
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1. gewcew23 (5064)
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2 years ago
| | Democrats need to realize that no one hold on to power for ever. Ever new power that this Congress creates now will be passed on to the new Congress. I know Democrats will look at this as a stroke of genius but what we they think when Republicans use this power. That is my question to the Senate wanting to use reconciliation also. Democrats will not hold on to every branch of government for ever. Democrats do you really want Republicans to be able to use this tactic, then you should not want your party to use it either. | | | | | | |
whiteheather39 (15574)
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2 years ago
| | What the "die hard" Obama supporters do not seem to realize is that if our country goes to the dogs these voters will too. Being a Obama supporter will not get them a free pass! | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | This is what I have been saying all along. Every time the administration overreaches, supporters will defend it with cries of "Bush did it" or argue why it shows a strong leader to take the bull by the horns. Wrong, wrong, wrong, no matter who did it. Anytime something is done with "the people unwilling", and goes unchallenged, it effectively transfers more power to the government. Even if someone completely trusts those in power today, how will they feel when someone they don't trust is in power? "I know Democrats will look at this as a stroke of genius" I expect they will, but it's a short-sighted view and they will be sorry someday. | | | |
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2. matersfish (2667)
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2 years ago
| | Government is dead. They're like media. People have been systematically seizing power in America in any possible way they could for years now. There's absolutely NO better way than to be a politician. It's ridiculous. I usually love to rant, but I can't unjumble (is that a word?) my mind at the moment. All I know is, the more they constantly reach for power, the less paranoid the so-called "fringe" right looks. They can stand on high and command some of the population to attack each other and to hold business accountable and even to blame America for America, but there are still enough people in the country, and I'm one of them, who will not take too kindly to a grossly overreaching government. Haughty azzes in power always underestimate the common person's desire to be free. Oops. | | | | | | |
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Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | "I usually love to rant, but I can't unjumble (is that a word?) my mind at the moment." It does leave one rather gobsmacked, doesn't it? The sheer ego and nerve that brings about such a brazen power play - it's hard to comprehend, let alone react. I usually enjoy indulging my paranoia, but I would prefer to be incorrect in my fears. Although I look askance at those who have never met a conspiracy theory they didn't like, I still look. Some of them are looking more plausible by the day. If you manage to unjumble, feel free to rant away. | | | |
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3. dragon54u (15683)
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2 years ago
| | I think that if that is what they do, every single one of them should be impeached for disregarding the will of the people. To pass something like that, that affects every one of our lives, without a vote or input from the people is a constitutional crime. If it happens, I hope there are demonstrations and protests across the country! I wish there was some way to convince the entire nation to stop paying taxes. Take the money away from them and they can't spend it. | | | | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | I expect it will end up in court if they do this. Anyone forced to pay a penalty or tax will be considered legally to have standing to bring suit. It could end up as the largest class action lawsuit in history. | | | |
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Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | Well Pelosi did say we have to pass it to know what is in it. She figures it's the "fog" surrounding it that's putting people off. I think the only foggy area is the one directly above her neck. | | | |
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5. bobmnu (4822)
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2 years ago
| | If they can do this why not just save money and let Speaker Pelosi decide what bill will pass and what ones will not. Think how much money we could save if we eliminated 434 Representatives. This will mean that we have to Assume that she is reelected to Congress and since she is the only member she can vote herself Speaker. | | | | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | Why not just make Obama the King? Biden could be court jester. Pelosi could be the court hairdresser. | | | |
JerusalemFolk (2424)
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2 years ago
| | About Barak Hussein Obama, I read a nice article asking if Hussein Obama is a "Mandshurian candidate" , in other words it was showing that he was elected by millions of $$$ given by Muslim countries. The people of America elected Obama or the Muslims ? When PM Ytschak Rabin was trying to pass bills making health care mandatory for all the Israeli citizens,Muslims, Christians, Jews, in 1994, he didn't have the majority in the Parlement, the Knesseth, so the Government voted in favor and it was voted in. Also for the Oslo accords, he didn't have the majority, so they bribed members of the Parlement giving them new houses or cars, and it was voted in. I think Bob Dylan said it better than me in his album " Infidels" : the world is ruled by violence, not by democracy. | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | In the early years of this country, travel took days instead of hours. Congress didn't meet for months on end. I think the best solution is for government, at least as far as Congress and houses of Parliament, to be a part-time job, meeting only for a short time each year to handle necessary business. These people should have real jobs, so that service to the country is just that, and not a ticket to a special class of citizen with all sorts of extra benefits. Pay them less and for goodness' sake, keep them from spending all their time finding ways to mess with our lives! | | | |
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6. bestboy19 (2458)
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2 years ago
| | I don't doubt that this closed door meeting is to discuss how to get away with this no vote option; but the republicans are looking into the constitutionality of it. Democrats Consider Drastic Moves to Pass Health Care Bill Written By: Ben Domenech Publication date: 03/11/2010 Publisher: The Heartland Institute "I want to ensure there is an expedited review process to have the Supreme Court look at this. It’s about as unconstitutional as anything I’ve ever seen,” Orin Hatch (R-UT) told Health Care News. “To pass a $2.5 trillion bill without the House even voting on it, by using manipulative parliamentary gimmicks, is just not the right thing to do. It is mindboggling what they are considering doing,” Hatch said. “They cannot win by being straight up and honest about it, so they’re going to try to win at all costs and hope this issue will go away. But it’s not going to go away. The American people are up in arms about it. And they should be.” I hope Orin Hatch is right that the American people are up in arms about this and will not let Pelosi and Slaughter get away with this, because if we aren't, our elections and votes mean nothing and our representative form of government is abolished. What would stop the democrats from doing the same thing at any time? | | | | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | It is looking like a ruling from the Parliamentarian may have thwarted these plans before they got underway. | | | |
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7. hofferp (2894)
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2 years ago
| | I can only hope that, if the Dems go forward with this parliamentary trick, its constitutionality is challenged immediately. Then the people speak loud and clear this Fall, if not sooner in protests of Congress. | | | | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | I think that they think they will do better in the fall if they pass something rather than if they fail to pass anything. The way the people feel right now, I don't think there is anything they can do to save themselves. | | | |
hofferp (2894)
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2 years ago
| | I agree. | | | |
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8. MagicalBubbles (1913)
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2 years ago
| | Im Canadian but its the same here, they do what they want. They find loopholes in the laws and theres nothing you can do. I know our votes dont mean a thing, not here, and not anywhere. I found out the hard way while working for the elections and I ended up being escorted out because I was being too loud about it. Nobody ever believed me. Elections are fixed. | | | | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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2 years ago
| | I agree, governments tend to self-perpetuate their power by taking more every year, a little at a time. We don't realize how little it matters that we can vote, if all the candidates are there for themselves, and not for us. | | | |
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