This is going to get ugly..either way it goes.

I don't exspect blood shed like Rose does...but I do see more protests. More energy in the coming bills. Especially Immigration. It will turn into a war of sort...just not one with bullets and soliders...but with picket signs and ballots.

The country may not fall apart because of this bill...but I will hold a HUGE GRUDGE OVER IT. Not only is the mandate unconstitutional. But thanks to Congress my healthcare will be taxed at 40%. Thanks SOOOO MUCH for just about DOUBLING the cost my families healthcare premiums each month. We have what the government calls a premium plan. We don't make a huge amount of money....but the benefits are good at my hubby's job. The unions, state and federal workers got themselves exempt from this tax...the rest of us regual joes....we get stuck with the bill...so much for not raising taxes on anyone making less than 250K a year. Heck we don't even make 80K a year. Yet my family has to pay this tax to pay for everyone else's healthcare. Tell me how this is "right" or "fair"?

Actually, from most of what I've been hearing and reading it's highly unlikely the mandate will be found to be unconstitutional. As far as the tax on premium insurance plans, here is some information I found followed by a link: Q: How would the new excise tax on health insurance premiums work? A: Starting in 2018, a 40 percent excise tax would be imposed on health insurance premiums exceeding $10,200 for single coverage and $27,500 for family coverage. The cost thresholds triggering the tax will be slightly higher for plans covering retirees or employees in certain high-risk industries. In 2019, the thresholds would rise to match the increase in the Consumer Price Index, plus one percentage point. In 2020 and succeeding years, the thresholds will increase to match rises in the index. Q: Who would pay the tax? A: The tax would be paid by insurers for fully insured plans and by plan administrators for self-funded plans. Insurers and plan administrators almost certainly would try to recover that cost from employers. Q: Would the tax apply to all health care-related coverage? A: No, dental and vision care premiums or costs would be excluded. : http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/27/08/26.php It's been changed so nobody will have to pay this until 2018 so you're getting the same exemption as the unions and government workers. The tax will be on the amount over $27,500 for a family and won't include vision or dental coverage. In other words, if your insurance costs $28,000 that would mean the tax would be assessed on $500, not the entire $28,000. YOU won't be taxed but some of it could be passed on to you. The amounts will be adjusted for inflation. Annie

Thanks annie, Things changed so much and so fast on this bill(s) that it got really confusing my the end. So it looks like I can keep the plan til 2018 then move to a PPO. I am relieved. I was wondering how in the heck I was going to be able to afford it. YOu know they will pass on the extra cost of it to the consumer...so that plan is about to get really exspensive. I wonder if my HB's work is even going to offer that plan anymore? I don't see a lot of people taking advanatge of it if the price shoots way up. That is the only reason we took that one. We had the option of other plans...but the price was decent (higher than the others but still decent) and the co-pays and deductable were super low. When have two kids...that can come in handy.

Yep..they want this,they that and they especially want us to pay for it.

I think you are right. A ton of people are going to mad...and they are NOT going to get over it.

Screaming my head off....like I was ALOT during the Bush year...just no one listened.

Ya that is the safe thing to do when in the general population. This is a heated topic and I see that it could easy turn into a arguement.