A Vision of the World As Fair

@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
April 22, 2012 8:41am CST
Some things are believed because the are demonstroably true. We believe that the sun is real because we can see it, feel its warmth. Some things are believed because the are consistent with a widely held 'vision' or idea of how things must be. One such belief is that government has our best interests at heart and must have it's hand in every aspect of our lives. Subjecting such beliefs to the test of hard facts is especially important when it comes to the economic beliefs which have inescapable limitations of millions of people's lives. Policies based on fallacies (visions of politicians) can be devastating in their impact because millions of people's livlihood are effected. Fallacies can be logical and plausable, but with something missing. It pays to look deeper. One such thing you need to 'dig' for is a definition; take the word fair. We all would agree 'fair' is something good because it evokes a warm fuzzy feeling in us. But what is fair? The Fair Trade Law, or Fair Labor Standard Act sound wonderful on the outside. The use of this word is a huge political advantage. People accept it as good for everyone. Who would actually speak out and be heard if they were against fairness? It is the same with the terms 'Social Justice' and 'equality'. There are many reasons why such terms are in effect 'fallacies' or better said, 'visions' of what someone besides you may really be saying and doing. The Zero Sum Fallacy means both parties in an economic transaction gain equal benefits from that transaction. But voluntary economic transactions, whether between an employer and an employee, tenent or landlord, or even international trade, would not continue if both parties weren't better off when the transaction takes place. When the government favors one party in the transaction over the other as in rent controls or miniumum wage laws the party favored has the upper hand. Is this always a good thing? Rent controls favor the tenent. Low rent means more people can afford housing. BUT as time goes on, less housing is made available because the landlords cannot make a profit, do not have money to reinvest in their property and to make up for this loss of profit they cut corners or stop maintaining the property. Tenents then suffer. Less housing, less adequate housing. Same with minimum wage laws. The employer is forced to pay more, (in the case with unions, higher wages than the market can bear) and so he will hire less or provide less services, lower quality products etc. so as to be able to stay in business. This was part of the reason GM had to bailed out, unions forced labor costs so high the company eventually went bankrupt. Government intervention in the economy that favor one party over the other eventually upsets the economy in ways that hurt the ones they were trying to make things 'fair' for. What has this got to do with anything? The politicians know how to use buzz words to make us agreeable and pliable to their interferance in the economy, in our social lives, in our private lives. What appears to be true, is not always true. Fair Housing or Fair Trade does not always mean FAIR as you understand fair. Those landlords provide a service to you and I, if they are not allowed to make some sort of profit, they will stop providing the product that is needed. It may take years, but when the government attempts to make things 'more fair' by favoring one group over another both parties eventually suffer. Life is not FAIR. People take risks, some succeed, others fail. AS INDIVIDUALS we don't like that and yearn for someone to make things EQUAL and risk free. But that is a vision of the world that cannot work if we are to stay free. Government as our protector is government as our master.
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@urbandekay (18278)
24 Apr 12
What we want though, is not fairness as you portray it, rather we want 'level playing fields' on which to compete; that is our English notion of fairness. This is impossible under a predominantly capitalist system. And only a coward would be afraid to compete on a level playing field all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
24 Apr 12
Trouble is enforcing contract law, which actually the government should keep out of, since this is the job of the Judiciary, which here in UK is independent of government, is not sufficient to ensure level playing fields. all the best urban
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 Apr 12
The courts are considered a part of government. The executive branch, the legislative branch and the judicial branch. The Supreme Court being the highest court in the land. The lesser courts enforce contract law when there are disputes. IF judges did what they are suppose to do, enforce laws, there would be no problem. Trouble is, they do not have to answer to the voters,(in our country) so they can improvise, so to speak.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 Apr 12
Most of what I am reading (I confess to being rather uninformed on this)is that the government's only roll should be to keep the playing field level by enforcing the rules, like contract law. Hasn't the US Government been meddling for most of the 19th and all of the 20th centuries in ways that really didn't just keep things level for all? When a government starts favoring one player over another, isn't that what upsets the 'apple cart'?
@urbandekay (18278)
23 Apr 12
Here are some more fallacies: America is a free trade nation America is or was a capitalist state Capitalism is the most successful economic environment Paying higher wages leads to competitiveness Why are all these fallacies? Because there are clear counter-factuals to them all all the best urban
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Apr 12
You're right, America stopped being a truly free trade nation a while ago. It was capitalist, but over the years has been mixed more and more with socialism over the years as people have become more and more dependent on the government. I do have to ask you though, what is the most successful economic environment, if not capitalism. You are 100% right about the wages. The foolish increases in minimum wage in this country are part of what is making us LESS competitive and driving up the cost of goods. It is also contributing to unemployment as the hourly cost of an unskilled teenager is now almost double what it was 17 years ago.
@urbandekay (18278)
24 Apr 12
1. USA has always operated protectionist trade policies that operate against free trade, it cannot therefore be said to be a free trade nation, nor has it been for a long, long time. 2. USA has never been a truly capitalist society, if you really want to know what a truly capitalist society looks like, look no further than the squalor and opulence of Victorian England. 3. The most successful economies in the long term are the mixed economies of Europe. 4. Task.. you misread or misunderstood; it is a fallacy that paying higher wages necessarily leads to uncompetitiveness. 5. Liberty is the corner stone of Liberalism (I use the word here correctly, not in the American corruption of it) Capitalism, in its pure form, leads to loss of liberty for the majority all the best urban
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Apr 12
I'm wondering about the 'free trade' status too. I've realized since getting more active in politics the last few years that we are not strictly a capitalist country anymore. I've been reading Thomas Sowell and some of the other older economists as well as some articles on why capitalism provides for the most liberty of the different systems. Property rights are a cornerstone of capitalism and liberty, are they not?
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
22 Apr 12
If everything was fair there would be no need for anyone to strive to excel. No big discoveries, no new businesses, no innovation. The world would stagnate. Life is unfair naturally in order for people to make the most of their talents and gifts. With universal fairness we would be no better than the tribe of innocent cattle found in The Time Machine. (Sorry, haven't been around for your excellent discussions--packing up my house, cleaning, disposing and donating TONS of crap! Hopefully it's nearly ready to put on the market!)
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
22 Apr 12
You are still going to be around here on myLot right? Gosh, I wouldn't know what to do without your responses and input. Free will. Not to get off on a religious topic, but it is all about free will, always has been. IF we are free to choose we are also free to fail, or to succeed as the case may be. We were given intelligence to make informed decisions. Free means being responsible, and it also means being accountable. People forget that, they forget that if they make hastey decisions or decisions based on lies or faulty info, things will go badly for them. Why do they forget this? Because someone will come in a bail them out one way or another. No consequences. No problems, just go ask the government to help. I'm not against help, BUT they forget, if the government is paying for your (our) mistakes, they can make laws limiting our freedom to make them again. Same with other situations where we ask for help, the one helping then has a stake in YOU and can limit what we do and how we do it. I raised my kids telling them life is not fair. No pie in the sky, rose colored glasses were provided. If they messed up, they paid the cost. I was mean? I don't think so. I have been told my kids are hard workers and that they contribute 200% to every endeavor they put their minds to. And now that they're in the midst of real life, they agree with me. People need to pay the price for the bad decisions they make and be rewarded for the good decisions they make.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
22 Apr 12
You can't get rid of me that easily! Yep, I'll be around for years.. I think it's a disservice to people to try to make everything fair. Free will comes with responsibilities. Maybe we should just divide the country into the sheep and the others. I've had several emails (forwarded stuff, you know the type) about that subject. Sometimes I don't like having a lot of choices because of the responsibilities and consequences but it sure as hell beats someone telling me what to do or blindly following "leaders".
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Apr 12
Well, I'm glad to hear you will be sticking around. I hope you get settled in quickly and without any troubles. Be safe in traveling too. I agree that we all have become sheep. In the Bible the analogy of sheep and shepherd are used many times. Jesus told us we are the sheep and he is the shepherd. Sheep will follow just about anything, they wander and they get lost very easily. No sense of direction. So, he taught us to look to him as our shepherd, and to beware wolves that look and act like sheep just to worm their way into our trust. This is a great 'little mini sermon' that uses these metaphors. http://www.preacherscorner.org/sheep-wolf.htm
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@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
22 Apr 12
How "true" your discussion is. It is a "true" statement you make about what "fair" really is! It is also very "sad" that people think "the government should do something" about what we think is wrong. I was just having a discussion about "the government" on Saturday. Who is the government? We are! As we gather around the campfire bringing up our concerns to people who can't make a difference does not change an outcome. The first people on my list of people I'd want to talk to would be the non-voters. We cannot "stick our heads in sand" and pretend the right thing will be done by others, for us. And if the lack of voting isn't bad enough, some will say, "Why bother? The country is going to he11 anyway, With or without my vote"!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Apr 12
Or those who will vote for a third party cause it's 'their' vote. Sure it is, but the outcome belongs to everyone. Sometimes we forget or just don't care that OUR choices effect others as well as ourselves.
@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
23 Apr 12
As well as thinking one person's idea of fair, sad, or true is everyone's idea of fair, sad, or true!