tough love helping enabling

@dawnald (85137)
Shingle Springs, California
April 15, 2011 10:51am CST
So where do you draw the line between helping and enabling? And when do you use "tough love"? Last night we had two conflicting events. Cary had a concert at the middle school, and Dearra's high school had an open house. So we split up. R took Cary to the concert, and I went with the girls to the open house. I was hoping to get through it quickly so that I could show up at the concert. Naomi came to the open house because she had heard so much about Dearra's teachers that she wanted to meet them. Only two of them were there, so it went rather quickly. But when I mentioned going over to the concert, Naomi said she had a lot of homework and wanted to go home. So I took her and Dearra home ("Mom, I'd rather watch Naomi than go to a boring concert where they play old songs badly"), and I went to the concert. Unfortunately, I just missed beginning band. The intermediate band had already started playing when I got there. But I told Cary a little white lie at the end of the concert, so he was happy to hear that I had been there to hear him play. I get home and my shoulder's hurting. So I checked my e-mail, got in the bathtub, and decided that after the bath I was going to stretch and go to bed. No playing Poppit or doing surveys until 11 PM. Nope, not this time. So after the bath I got online to check my e-mail, and was just logging off when the ambush happened. R comes in and says, "do you know how much homework Naomi has. She has this report due on the solar system. I thought she was working on it all week, but she's left most of it until tonight." Well I thought she was working on it all week too, and I told him so. But now he's all in frantic parent mode, and wants me to print something out for her, find pictures of all the planets and print them out small enough to put on an index card, etc. I gave him the glare, because my darn shoulder was starting to hurt, considered telling him that it was her problem for leaving it so long (that's what MY parents would have done), sighed, and started working on it. Meanwhile, he starts taking the printed stuff and gluing it onto the cards while she continues writing. Well it's 11 PM by the time we are all finished, and she gets on the computer for her next assignment. What the heck? Yep, she also had to write a poem about an endangered animal starting with Q. After looking at the Queen Alexandra butterfly, a quetzal and a quoll, she decides on the quetzal, and starts throwing words at me, so I can give her rhyming words. Somewhere in there I start giving her a speech about procrastination, and she says "mom, you can give me the lecture on Saturday". 20 after 11, we're finally all finished and can go to bed. So this morning I get up, and there she is writing. "What, more homework?" "Yep," she says, "I have to write a persuasive essay." "Well... You should either write one to yourself about not procrastinating, or to your teacher persuading her not to give you so much homework." She laughs... So back to the discussion. Where do you draw the line between helping your child and enabling their bad habits? And when do you apply tough love?
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@cynthiann (18612)
• Jamaica
15 Apr 11
Difficult choice but she has and is playing with you both a little. I think her homework should be written down in a separate book and you will have to check nightly that it is done. If a project has to be done then the time spent on it should be allocated nightly. Next time do not do it and let her face the consequences. And it will be hard to do.
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@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
15 Apr 11
Time for R to go. He still thinks their grades reflect his worth.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
No he thinks that making them happy reflects his worth.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
Yep, I totally agree with you. R won't support me on that though.
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@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
15 Apr 11
I don't enable, at all. If that were one of my kids they would have been working on it all night by themselves and probably would have gotten a terrible grade but that's their problem for putting it off so long. Guess I fall into the tough love category. My mother enables. She does a lot of my sister's homework for her.. but my sister is a fairly good student who puts a lot of effort into her work. My mother also did a lot of my homework for me while I was growing up, and again I was a fairly good student who put a lot of effort into my work. I wish my mom would do some of my college homework for me!
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@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
15 Apr 11
I was very intelligent, and my folks did almost all of my work for me or with me. Until it came to term papers. College was a challenge for me at first.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
Mine didn't do a doggone thing other than tell me to go do it.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
R is a total enabler, and I fall somewhere in between. I don't mind helping with things I would have helped with anyway (like transferring files from one computer to the other where she's having problems), but not with things she would have done herself had she allotted herself enough time.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
19 Apr 11
This one is a hard call because the damage was done already as far as the procrastination went. It's all well and good to help out with homework when the crunch came but what if you had been more seriously momentarily disabled? Add to the procrastination that her bad habit put others out and caused the extra strife. Another angle is that maybe her homework status can be checked along the way and she can be driven to keep the work up to date as she goes, thereby (hopefully) eliminating the bad habit (eventually) and getting the job done as required. I think this is where the help comes in, otherwise, you enable them when it's too late to do anything else. Your poor shoulder, is it a little better by now?
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
25 Apr 11
Ahhh, makes things a bit more lil bit tricky. *nods*
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
I was feeling a bit more kindly toward her after she told me that. So instead of the procrastination lecture, she got the "speak up" lecture...
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
We actually saw her doing some of the work throughout the week, that is what was so puzzling about it. Turns out she had typed a lot of it up at the computer lab at school, then never got back there to copy it onto her flash drive.
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
15 Apr 11
This is really a tough one. The parent knows enough to forsee the future and the child knows enough to work the parent to the max. At this point in time I would have a proof of homework each and every night no exception. You can continue this until she has formed new habits or you hit the totally crazy wall. But this finish homework must be the one and only pass to any time she wants free to do what she wants. Don't give yourself a guilt trip over this, be strong after all the little dear got herself and you parents into this mess now make her work her way out. Blessings
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
Yeah, that makes sense. We had stopped monitoring because she was being responsible, but it's time for a re-check.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
17 Apr 11
I can really relate to this one. My oldest daughter is just terrible with this. The other night at 10pm, she wants me to dig out family photos for a family tree she has to do in Spanish! I tell her no and she tells me she is going to get a bad grade because of me!!! I let her know real quick that it was her own fault for waiting so long..she knew in plenty of time that it would be due...anyway..then she texts me the next day and says she left it at home and needed it brought to the school..she had forgotten it!! Tought ove would have been letting her suffer but she graduates next year and I called my b/f and had him take it up there...oh...he was not happy because this kind of stuff is habit. I am thinking of taking her car. I have warned her that if this kind of thing happens again that homework will be the only thing she has to do. I am going to enforce it too..they will work us as long as we let them.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
ah yes, the family photo project. Many's the time I've been hit up for last minute photo projects...
• United States
15 Apr 11
Gosh I had a few flash backs of the good ole days when assignments and projects were due the very next morning. Grrrr! I did same as you, adding grind teeth, a few strong WHY's and got it done. Some things just have to be done and it is hard to say nope I won't help, because I always saved the day. I feel for you because I had it equally bad with both of mine. But at the end of the night it got done. Somehow in my mind I knew it was enabling but I had the hopes that helping meant we do not give up and get to it.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
I think I'm going to tell her: 1. Next time she's on her own and 2. She's going to have to do some extra things around the house just so she knows that wasn't OK
@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
15 Apr 11
It is a little late for the tough love this week, so how about starting next week. Not sure how you will do it. Your kids also know that they can go through R to get to you. Naomi is in middle school, right? When my son was that age he pulled a C or maybe a D in the first nine weeks of his block class (English, Social Studies, Not sure what else). It was his gifted class. He even had a syllabus for the whole semester. So we have conferences, and I am a bit upset for the teacher not contacting me about it. That teacher taught me a great lesson, he said, "If I tell you about Vince being behind, and you sit on him or hold his hand to get his assignments ready, the assignment becomes yours. If I keep him after school and have him do it, it is my homework. For your son to take ownership, he has to do the work or take the consequences." That was very freeing about us and schoolwork. Do not let R team up with the kids to send you on a guilt trip. It is no vacation. She is old enough to look things up online, and she is old enough to print things and cut them out and glue them. You need to get more rest to heal your shoulder.
@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
15 Apr 11
Well, fifth grade needs a little more help, but still does not need you to do it for her. I think my son was sixth grade.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
Next week is spring break, but the week after... She's in 5th grade. And yeah she knows exactly who to go to to get what...
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
Yeah, and there are certain things I'm fine with helping with: supplies computer help suggestions but not doing it for her because she won't make it otherwise...
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
16 Apr 11
I am going through some hard times with my child also. I have tried to raise her to know right from wrong and to do the right things in life but it has done me no good whatsoever. She does not want to listen or abide by anything I have to say. When she asks me for "some" things anymore, I have to tell her NO. she has got to learn that life is not just all about her and what she wants. She has to learn that she has to give back when she receives and not take everything for granted.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
yeah, she'll either learn now or she'll learn later the hard way....
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
15 Apr 11
I would've parked her procrastinating tuchus in front of her homework & told her not to leave her room 'til she'd finished. All. Of It. Most definitely I wouldn't have done it for her. She might've been angry, but she wouldn't pull that stunt again. It was exactly the right time for some tough love. Maggiepie "When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much he had learned in 7 years. " ~ Mark Twain, "Old Times on the Mississippi" Atlantic Monthly, 1874
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Apr 11
Oh we did that too. But even if I had declined to help, which really just consisted in helping with some computer stuff, her dad would have done it. But next time I'm not going to be so nice, and she's going to have some extra house work to do because of it.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Apr 11
We did help, but most of my help consisted of stuff I would have helped with anyway, whereas he was actually doing stuff that she normally would have done.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
15 Apr 11
But, you said you both helped! Anyway, it's good there are going o be consequences. You simply cannot allow kids to get away so much; it ruins them, & it will make life miserable for all of you, once she believes she can wheedle you into letting her get away with things like this! I'm just sayin'... Maggiepie "When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much he had learned in 7 years. " ~ Mark Twain, "Old Times on the Mississippi" Atlantic Monthly, 1874
@celticeagle (189915)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Apr 11
You play Poppit too!?Tough love comes in when you have exhausted every other avenue. It is ugly and it hurts. I can remember laying in bed at night crying because I had reached that last avenue. Enabling bad habits is one thing. Consequences for her bad behaviour is another. I would go with the consequences and a Long talk.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
Bad, bad habit, that Poppit! :D
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Apr 11
oh darn shucks
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@celticeagle (189915)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Apr 11
Ya, you missed out on some technical difficulties on Mylot while you were gone.
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@celticeagle (189915)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Apr 11
Tough love comes in when you have exhausted every other avenue. It is ugly and it hurts. I can remember laying in bed at night crying because I had reached that last avenue. Enabling bad habits is one thing. Consequences for her bad behaviour is another. I would go with the consequences and a Long talk.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
Yeah we had one. She did a bunch of the work at school, then the last week they never went to the computer lab, so she couldn't copy it to her hard drive. Told her that only she could advocate for herself, and that she needs to learn to speak up. I'm sure the teacher would have let her go do it.
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@celticeagle (189915)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Apr 11
THese are the lessons that make 'em or break 'em for later on in life. Easier said than done believe me.
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
18 Apr 11
Good question! I never got help when I growing up! I had to do my homework all by myself! I would of just let Niamoi do your school work herself. One of these days I hope she learns to not be a procastinator! I will also be grateful I didn't have to deal with this!
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
She actually did a lot of the work at school, but turns out her class never got back to the computer lab. She should have spoken up...
@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
16 Apr 11
Let's see . . . if it were my parents, they'd apply tough love all the time, particularly my dad. If I didn't get my homework done, that'd my tough cookies. But then again, I wouldn't even think of not doing my homework . . . it was expected of me to do well in school - so to not do an assignment was unthinkable (maybe they instilled the fear in me from a young age?). My parents would only help me with math anyway - the rest was up to me as they claimed their English wasn't good. At times I have stayed up late all by myself to do some projects. My dad always said play all you want - but be responsible to get your work done (then comes the story of my dad going out with his friends all night, but still had to milk the cows every day at 4am). ANYWAY It'll be interesting what happens in future grades with my daughter. I'm trying to get her in the habit of doing her homework pretty much when she gets home from school. She tends to do things too fast - like her coloring - in which we and her teachers know she can do better because of her amazing artistry. But coloring homework pages isn't "fun" - so she rushes it. I tell her to color it better and in the past I've made her do it . . . but she refuses at times, so I warn her that the teacher is going to make her do it over - and so we let her turn in what she has. And sure enough, the teacher has her do it over (a couple times missing recess over it). And so, she is learning that you have to deal with consequences if you don't do your homework (or do it right at least) - not consequences necessarily at home, but at school. As my dad would say, it's YOUR report card that gets dinged - not his. As a mom, I want to save her butt so she does well in school, but yah, she does have to learn - even if it's the hard way - that she has to learn to take care of her own butt!
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Apr 11
I don't even remember my parents getting involved in my homework. Not even a little bit....