Where I disagree...

By Faye
@FayeHazel (40248)
United States
July 9, 2020 12:41am CST
Hi all! This could be thought of as a follow up post to the one previous to this ... my review of Tony Robbins "Comeback Challenge". So, a quick recap, incase you didn't know, Robbins is a famous and wealthy life coach who, provided a free coaching session for a week. While I recounted my main take aways in the first post, with this one I would like to express the ways in which I disagree. For relationships both Tony and his wife , Sage, got online to talk. The stressed the importance of giving 100% to your partner. By doing this, they stressed, your partner will feel your love, and reciprocate to you. Several times they used the term "narcissist" incorrectly. Stating that you - can't call someone a narcissist and stop trying in the relationship yourself. Well... true. You don't want to *wrongly accuse* someone of being a narcissist and use it for an excuse to not try in your relationship. However it is critical to note that there *is* such a thing as narcissistic personality disorder and by pouring your everything into those people - you absolutely *will not* get a loving partner out of the deal. They will take and take and take and demand more and more and more... it's an actual personality disorder. And I feel that Tony and Sage didn't mention that, at all. Another segment shown was Tony counseling a couple on the brink of divorce. The wife had just started her own business, and the husband had just retired. The husband stated that the wife was his only interest or hobby in life. And , of course, Tony encouraged the woman to "give 100%" to the husband. I'm sorry, but if you are making someone else - another human person - your only interest in life, that smacks of mental illness and co-dependence. It's not fair, to either party. It's too big of a role for anyone person. Anyway, I felt strongly that the advice should have been for the husband to look for opportunities to develop more as an independent person (some guy friends, some hobbies, ) AND for the wife to compromise and not spend as much time at her work and DO spend more time with the husband. And the third way I felt Tony Robbins was a bit off - Tony said the past is passed so not to let it upset you in the present. He used his own sad childhood. He said -- so what my mom used to pour liquid soap down my throat and make me be ill before school? Boo hoo! Uhm, actually that's some fairly significant abuse. That's a great reason to be upset. Now, ideally a person could get over their past. But some things need to be talked about and healed. I think it is unwise to advise people to "stuff" things. Though if that's what worked for Tony, personally, I commend him. So, thought provoking for sure.... of course Tony Robbins, is Tony Robbins - multi-millionaire life coach to the stars and I'm... well.... me.... so.... there's that. Photo: Pixabay Sci-Fi search results , user Acekreations
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@DianneN (246901)
• United States
9 Jul 20
I agree with your points. Marriage is a two way street with give and take. I don't see him or his wife being good life coaches, despite them earning so much money.
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@DianneN (246901)
• United States
10 Jul 20
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@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
10 Jul 20
I'm happy to know I'm not off base. I think he has a lot of positives to offer, but where I disagree with him, I really disagree, It's almost like setting people up for an abusive relationship....
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@innertalks (21026)
• Australia
9 Jul 20
Yes, things are what they are, and they should not be fluffed over by extreme views, I think. As you said, abuse is abuse, and I agree with you there. But each person sees things differently, and tries to help others from their own position of seeing, and yet, they are always wrong, for nobody can see things quite the way anybody else does. We should never apply dogmatic rules of anything to anything, except perhaps to science, but to a person's life, we should allow the life to live in its own way, as much as possible, but point out that the overall best way is to follow love, and to never hurt the love in other people either. This makes us compassionate and understanding and brings us to the table, the real us, rather than just our learnings.
@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
10 Jul 20
True. If that is what worked for Robbins , personally, I'm happy. Though part of me wonders if a man, so driven - isn't still in pain? But... that is for him to disclose or not.
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@innertalks (21026)
• Australia
10 Jul 20
@FayeHazel Well, he is a big boy, too, and he was into weights before. I have been told by one former bodybuilder, that this sport too is often about covering over inner pain with a large outer muscular body, so maybe you are right about him too; maybe he is still in pain.
@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
12 Jul 20
@innertalks wow. Really? Thank you for sharing that. It makes total sense. I'm now thinking of my dad. He passed away back in April. It hurts. I know we talked about it. I am able, now, to see him as a soul in pain. Of course we didn't deserve the treatment he dished out all too often. But he was damaged by a lot of things through the years. My dad was a power lifter - squats. Before I was born he was able to squat 570-something pounds. Well, he didn't wait for his spotters one day, and his wrist let loose - and he dropped 570-something pounds on his low back. Had back pain ever since. But yes, he was in a lot of mental pain, and very much into strength, weight lifting, etc... makes sense.
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@GreatMartin (23676)
• Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
9 Jul 20
"such a thing as narcissistic personality disorder" You don't have to point your finger at me!!! It took 4 failed relationships for me to think that maybe I had something to do with it!
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@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
10 Jul 20
lol. Though if you were a narcissist you likely wouldn't accept blame.
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@gr8nana6 (6614)
• Conyers, Georgia
9 Jul 20
I don't agree with the giving 100% , in a marriage it is a 50/50 give and take, not one give and one take
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@gr8nana6 (6614)
• Conyers, Georgia
10 Jul 20
@FayeHazel He sure sounds like it, but what do I know.
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@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
10 Jul 20
I agree, totally. Yes, I think he was way off base there
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@just4him (306354)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
9 Jul 20
I agree with you. They gave bad advice. You can't give 100% of yourself to a marriage. There needs to be give and take from both sides to have a healthy relationship.
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@just4him (306354)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
12 Jul 20
@FayeHazel Yes, there needs some of each for a healthy relationship.
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@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
10 Jul 20
Oh so true. I'm happy my assumption was right about that. Maybe if both partners are similar personalities, but even then. Too many people will just keep taking and taking. Gotta be some of each
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@Hannihar (129482)
• Israel
9 Jul 20
By Faye @FayeHazel To me he does not make a good life coach. There are people that carry their baggage with them and have to learn how to heal from it. I agree with the points you made that he did not. I would not go to him.
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@Hannihar (129482)
• Israel
10 Jul 20
@FayeHazel That is nice if it worked for him, but, he does not sound like someone that understands what others have gone through and therefore I would not go to him at all.
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@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
12 Jul 20
@Hannihar I agree. I wouldn't trust him with my past too much knowing this is how he feels. It surprised me.
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@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
10 Jul 20
I agree. If that is what worked for him... I'm happy , but I would dare say that inside he still hurts. But yes, most people I think, heal from dealing with whatever their torment was
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@Orson_Kart (6114)
• United Kingdom
10 Jul 20
I've never heard of Tony Robbins and if this is the sort of advice he offers then I won't be listening to him any time soon. I agree with you entirely on everything you talked about here. You should be the millionaire life coach and he should be here critiquing you. No, I am glad it's you here and not him.
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@1creekgirl (40529)
• United States
10 Jul 20
Faye, I'm not real familiar with Tony Robbins, but from your post, I would choose you for a counselor any day over him. How in the world did he become so successful?
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@JudyEv (325818)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Jul 20
I enjoyed reading your take on his talks and I'd agree with what you've said. Some do just take and take and giving 100% doesn't sit well with me. I guess it depends on the couple and the circumstances to a degree but it's not a good general rule. At least, I don't think it is.
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@dgobucks226 (34369)
11 Jul 20
Sounds like your not big on Tony's marital advice?
@aureliah (24319)
• Kenya
19 Jul 20
What I always say is that people give advices from their own perspectives. we should be wise to know what to take and what not to
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@FayeHazel (40248)
• United States
19 Jul 20
True. Do what works for you.
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