Do you believe Donald Trump's claim that he paid more than $750 in Income Tax in 2015 and 2016?

@TheHorse (115816)
Walnut Creek, California
September 27, 2020 6:14pm CST
According to a report in today's New York Times, United States "President" Donald Trump paid $750 in income taxes in 2015 and 2016. Those are (I believe) the year he ran for president and the year he "won" the election. According to the same report, he also paid NO federal income tax in 10 of the last 15 years. No wonder he is the first "President" in modern history not to make his income tax returns public. For how many years, over the past 15, did you pay no income tax or get a refund? I am a hard-working middle-class person, and I have always had to pay income tax over the past 20 years. Do you believe this New York Times report? Or do you think it to be more "fake news," coming from a "liberal" media source? I'll be interested to see how Fox news "spins" this. Are they still "with" Trump? Or are they finally fed up? They have their own credibility to deal with.
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@Susan2015 (32398)
• United States
27 Sep
I'm sure he paid if his accountants are honest. Not fun getting audited. I would not believe anything the liberal New York times says, they are fake news.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
LOL! Did you like the picture?
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@Susan2015 (32398)
• United States
28 Sep
@TheHorse I can't think of who it is!
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@Susan2015 Al Capone. After all of his naughtiness, all they got him for was tax evasion. At least that's what I heard.
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@NJChicaa (90684)
• United States
28 Sep
It isn't fake news
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
No, it's sad but true. I wonder who leaked the information. There are still people out there who have "drunk the Koolaid." Is that proper English?
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@NJChicaa (90684)
• United States
28 Sep
@TheHorse my parents drank the Kool Aid and they should know better. We live in NJ and saw him bankrupt his casinos, lose his yacht, etc. Seriously--who LOSES money running a casino?
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@NJChicaa I wonder how he did it.
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@porwest (32885)
• United States
28 Sep
I am not sure if I believe it or not. What I DO believe is that he followed the law regardless of what he actually paid or did not pay in the way of taxes. He said it very well in the debate between him and Hillary when the question of his taxes came up and whether or not he paid. He basically said, "I followed the tax laws that were written by the lawmakers. If you don't like what I paid or did not pay, change the laws. But you cannot accuse me of cheating if I followed the laws you created." If the question of his taxes come up again in tomorrow's debate, or any future debate, this is exactly what he needs to tell the American people and his opponent. Has he ever been audited and found to have fraudulently filed? THAT would be the story. If he only paid X amount or paid nothing and followed the law... Whose fault is that? The taxpayer or the legislature who passed the tax laws?
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
It should be interesting as we learn more. You are correct (in my opinion). If he followed the law, then he followed the law. But, dang it, I could buy some really good guitars for what he wrote off for haircuts. Heh.
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@porwest (32885)
• United States
28 Sep
@TheHorse lol. The ONLY person he may have ever overpaid was whoever cuts that head of hair of his.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@porwest Heh. I'd pay thousands of dollars NOT to have my hair look like that.
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@CarolDM (98977)
• United States
28 Sep
All the news sources spin everything. Who cares anyway, I don't. This was addressed 4 years ago.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
I do, as it makes me work harder. I have to watch both MSM and FOX to find the "truth," if there is such a thing. Fortunately my "main" news source, radio KCBS, is pretty "neutral. So I can start there.
@CarolDM (98977)
• United States
28 Sep
@TheHorse Whatever works for you. Good luck.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@CarolDM I care more about my own work, and my own integrity, than I do about politicians. In general, I don't trust politicians.
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27 Sep
I wouldn't believe the new york X's for anything they just like the enquirer gotta get whatever news they can including fake news.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
LOL. I get all my news from Weeky World News and the National Enquirer.
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28 Sep
@TheHorse well that sucks cause they don't tell the real news like what is really going on, but if that's all you got what is there? you tube works for more info on news is what I watch.
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28 Sep
@TheHorse alex is no longer on there & what I watch tells it right down the middle Will Johnson he's straight up with it. Take some time & check his videos out he's BETTER than the news he goes right up IN THE MESS that's going on
Fighting against the hatred in America, unite and not fight!
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@topffer (41270)
• France
28 Sep
You pay taxes and not him ? It is why he is the President, not you. This said, I cannot understand why people did not elected Al Capone...
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Heh. Maybe he would have won!
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@topffer (41270)
• France
28 Sep
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@topffer We live in interesting times.
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@jstory07 (96051)
• Roseburg, Oregon
28 Sep
I believe the whole thing is fake news. We have to pay taxes every year since we retired. Never had to when we worked because of claiming six children.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Are you serious? Trump admitted (perhaps in 2016) that he's good at finding "loopholes."
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@porwest (32885)
• United States
28 Sep
@TheHorse What is wrong is finding loopholes? As well, who wrote the loopholes? If anyone wants to fix the problem, the ones who created the loopholes can close them. I have never heard a SINGLE person ever say, "Forget those credits and loopholes, I want to pay more taxes."
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@porwest Time will tell. I'll let the layers and accountants do the dirty work.
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@marguicha (162616)
• Chile
27 Sep
I liked the picture. I don´t live in the US so I can´t say. Lovely post though.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Why is it that people from other countries sometimes understand American politics and history better than many Americans do?
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@marguicha (162616)
• Chile
28 Sep
@TheHorse Once I met a young American girl that told me that she had to come to my country to learn US history. She said it was not taught at schools there. She didn´t know much about history in general either.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@marguicha How old was this young gal?
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@tallawah (12871)
• Kingston, Jamaica
28 Sep
When you have your own company/business you have to set up your payments. Clearly your boy didn't. Easy to not pay. Lots of criminals do it. Claim they had to spend X on this Y on that and didn't make enough to cover that and...on and on ... Trump knows how to play the Tax game. YOu should ask him... after all, he can give you some good tips.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Heh. My "home business" doesn't make me enough to worry about taxes.
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@tallawah (12871)
• Kingston, Jamaica
29 Sep
@TheHorse If you are a lawyer or any kind of professional, or run your business... a real business... you have to file. Now sure, you got a number of legal deductions, i.e.salaries, rent, etc. But this guy has so played the system he makes Al Capone look innocent
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Sep
@tallawah He really does. I don't usually wish "ill" upon others. But I hope he does some time while he's still alive.
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@DocAndersen (29166)
• United States
28 Sep
a good friend of mine said there was a reason he didn't want those returns public. I would like to see more verification of the data, but I am leaning towards thinking the NY Times has hit the head with the nail!
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
I think so too. But the "legality" of his actions will be revealed over time.
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@DocAndersen (29166)
• United States
28 Sep
@TheHorse i suspect there is little illegal in what he is done on his taxes. I think like some others do, he shifted debt around on purpose to accrue more debt than assets at times. he ran as a smart businessman in 2016.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@DocAndersen Yep. But most zillionaires wind up paying SOMETHING in taxes, even if it's only a few million. His withholding of information from the public is unprecedented in modern times, even if they can't find anything illegal in his dealings. I'm going to do some reading on Al Capone and see how long it took them to "get him."
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@mythociate (17080)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
28 Sep
Maybe this was addressed below, but 2017 was his first year in office & 2016 was the year he ran (just like we vote in 2020 & the winner gets sworn in in 2021). Funny, I have "Resister"-friends who swear that 'income-tax is Robbery-by-the-Government.'
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
I sometimes think that. But when I drive down highways, or help Horse Jr. in school, or don't fear N. Korea taking us over, I realize that we need to pay SOME taxes.
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@mythociate (17080)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
28 Sep
@TheHorse So why do we pay sales-tax (if they already get it out of us thru income-tax)?
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@mythociate You tell me!
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@LadyDuck (307524)
• Switzerland
28 Sep
IF he had nothing to hide he would have made his income tax returns public.... this is all what I think. NO I did not pay taxes over the past 20 years, I am only paying taxing since year 2006, when we moved here. In Monte Carlo people do not pay taxes, so I did nothing wrong.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Your first sentence is exactly what I said in another comment. I am generally kind to others. And I worked with non-violent criminals for many years. But I admit that I WOULD like to see Trump do time. I've become pretty "conservative" in my "old age," but what Trump has done to America is a disgrace.
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@LadyDuck (307524)
• Switzerland
29 Sep
@TheHorse I fully agree with you about Trump. He has divided America, he is a cheater and a liar, it is a manipulator and it shows because many believe he is a God from heaven.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Oct
@LadyDuck It's sad to think that some many of my "countrymen" are suckers.
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@LindaOHio (49545)
• United States
28 Sep
I believe it.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Yeah, it will be interesting to see how he "pulled it off."
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@LindaOHio (49545)
• United States
29 Sep
@TheHorse I'm looking forward to tonight's debate. I could use some entertainment.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Sep
@LindaOHio What time is it on?
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@GardenGerty (127023)
• United States
27 Sep
People who have money are often able to manipulate money to make it into more money. It sounds like he knows all the loopholes.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Sep
If they were legal, he would have revealed his tax returns. I still wonder if he will be the first former "President" to do time. At least I think it would be the first.
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@porwest (32885)
• United States
28 Sep
@TheHorse I actually do not believe Trump was concerned about hiding anything illegal. If Trump did anything illegal, don't you think the IRS would have already figured that out, audited him, and went after him for it? I think the reason he chose not to release his tax returns was pretty simple... The news media would simply scour it for something that they could SPIN, and he'd never hear the end of it, people would have all sorts of fake ideas about what happened, and regardless of how inaccurate the reporting would be... They would hang on ever word of it.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@porwest Even if everything reported (by the media) is correct, AND Trump was honest in his tax reporting, the Lefty media would spin it to "gall" middle class Americans, like you and me, most of whom paid more in taxes than he did. But, given his history, I am open to the possibility that he was not completely honest in his reporting. This is a story that I will actually follow.
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@DianneN (200097)
• United States
29 Sep
I believe every word of the NY Times.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Sep
I do too. There's going to be more that hasn't been "revealed" yet.
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@DianneN (200097)
• United States
29 Sep
@TheHorse More has already come out. He's a lying weasel. I am appalled to see his supporters on here. I can't look anymore.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Oct
@DianneN Look up "cognitive conservativism" and "confirmation bias." Basically the same thing. They make it hard for people to be "rational" and change their views as new evidence comes out. Very sad.
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@wolfgirl569 (33815)
• Marion, Ohio
28 Sep
I fully believe the reports. Their has been stories even before he ran for president of him not paying taxes.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Yeah. The reports are probably true. The NYT still has journalistic "standards," even if they "spin" things to the Left a bit. If Trump ultimately wears orange, I wonder if his accountants will as well. As UncleJoe said, he probably never filled out a tax form in his life. But I'm sure he told said accountants the results he wanted and paid them well. I'd imagine they are sweating a bit right now as well.
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@wolfgirl569 (33815)
• Marion, Ohio
28 Sep
@TheHorse They can only work with what information they are given. If an audit shows false info they are protected if they have paperwork from him for that info. Have never heard if they are handling the audit for him but it would seem they are. So only time will tell.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
@wolfgirl569 Good point(s). I look forward to seeing what happens.
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@myklj999 (49359)
• United States
28 Sep
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Remember the line "I'll have what she's having" from whatever romantic comedy it was? I'll have HIS accountants! But I am too old to do time.
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@BarBaraPrz (28174)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
28 Sep
I haven't paid income tax in years. Of course, I haven't been offiially employed in years, either, so no income, no income tax. Of course, I pay still sales tax and property tax.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
I've worked all my life and have never "not paid taxes." I was lucky to buy my "new" truck in a State that has no sales tax. Here in CA it's about 9%.
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@id_peace (12606)
• Singapore
28 Sep
I paid more money in tax when compared to him. I felt that I am actually a productive members of the society.
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
I feel the same way.
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• India
28 Sep
All the billionaires pay the same amount. Close to zero
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Sep
Actually, most billionaires pay at least a few million. I'm sure they understand loopholes, but most pay something.
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• India
28 Sep
@TheHorse Please share a few examples
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@TheHorse (115816)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Oct
@piyushbhatia1 Warren Bufett: "In 2019, Berkshire sent $3.6 billion to the U.S. Treasury to pay its current income tax. The U.S. government collected $243 billion from corporate income tax payments during the same period. From these statistics, you can take pride that your company delivered 1-1/2% of the federal income taxes paid by all of corporate America." Would you like more?