A tough day with the autistic child at the preschool.

@TheHorse (238388)
Walnut Creek, California
January 13, 2021 4:43pm CST
Our four-year-old autistic girl was in meltdown mode for most of the morning at my friend's preschool. She was screaming and crying, even as the other children played happily away. I just read an article suggesting that autistic meltdowns are due to over-stimulation, while tantrums are due to frustration. I am at odds with my boss about how to deal with the child's meltdowns She tends to restrain her or lecture her, which I think is the opposite of what she needs. I tend to be very calm around littlies and the child also calmed down when she climbed into my lap today and I imitated her vocalizations (she's preverbal but makes vocalizations that sound almost like song) while humming with my deep voice. I may try that again next time I see her. In my dreams, I'll get famous for inventing a new kind of "music therapy" for autistic kids.
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@kobesbuddy (78833)
• East Tawas, Michigan
13 Jan 21
Talking to an autistic child is like speaking to the wall. Human reasoning doesn't work. Stimulation, through music works like a charm! Apparently this woman you work for isn't enlightened in dealing with autistic children! Also, hand games and simple puzzles stimulate their mind.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
13 Jan 21
I just sent her a link to the article I read. I hope she gets the message that she's overstimulating the child and making things worse.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
13 Jan 21
I haven't tried simple puzzles yet with this child.
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@kobesbuddy (78833)
• East Tawas, Michigan
13 Jan 21
@TheHorse Music is like a magic wand! It stimulates their brain and calms them down. I worked with these children(as a teacher's assistant). That woman doesn't know she's making a big mistake:(
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
13 Jan 21
You are meant to be in this job, no doubt. So glad you were there for her.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
@CarolDM I'm sure I'll write about it if we make progress.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
13 Jan 21
I'm trying to learn her "language."
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
13 Jan 21
@TheHorse And you will. I have confidence.
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@AmbiePam (121257)
• United States
13 Jan 21
Wow, what a difficult situation. It takes a special person to learn how to handle that.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
It's tough. I've worked with a few autistic kids, but it's not my specialty.
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@kaylachan (84928)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
13 Jan 21
I think you're right, because autistic children experience both. At least you could calm her down.
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@kaylachan (84928)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
14 Jan 21
@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
13 Jan 21
I can't wait to try the "singing" thing again.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
@kaylachan I read up on it this afternoon. It appears that there's still some debate about music therapy for autistic kids.
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@rebelann (117281)
• El Paso, Texas
13 Jan 21
That could work you know. Music is said to be therapeutic.
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@rebelann (117281)
• El Paso, Texas
14 Jan 21
Well, I suppose each autistic kid has a different preference of musical style and getting that figured out would most likely be a hard task @TheHorse
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
17 Jan 21
@rebelann I'll keep on trying. she was asleep while I was there on Friday. I suspect Benadryl.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
13 Jan 21
I just read a couple of review articles on music and autism. There's some evidence that music helps autistic kids, but not all studies find an "effect."
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@akalinus (44366)
• United States
13 Jan 21
That would be great. I raised an autistic child and the anger, meltdowns, and tantrums just about drove me crazy. He was angry because he was different and he knew it.
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@sallypup (69252)
• Centralia, Washington
13 Jan 21
@akalinus Your comment brings my Mom to mind when dementia was taking hold. She knew she was no longer mentally 'right' and that frustrated her and out came the hard to deal with anger.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
Interesting that he knew he was different. When did he start talking?
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
@sallypup I've heard that happens to a lot of people when they realize dementia is setting in.
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
14 Jan 21
I love that you totally "get" these kids. I'm sure it's not always easy, but knowing how to communicate is key (and it's not the same with every kid). You are the kid whisperer .
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
15 Jan 21
@TheHorse Yes, they are intuitive (horses and kids). You give off that non-threatening vibe . That boss who restrains/lectures seems to be in the wrong field.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
Maybe kids are part horse. I can say with confidence (I actually do work with horses) that kids are intuitive, like horses. They can tell when you're "safe" and don't want to eat them.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
15 Jan 21
@much2say Sadly, I have met a lot of people like this.
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@Shavkat (141905)
• Philippines
14 Jan 21
That's a good idea. It will be a great help for her to calm down with the music.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
I have not yet brought one of my musical instruments in.
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@marlina (154103)
• Canada
14 Jan 21
I am so happy that you were there for her
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
My boss just called. It's 6 PM here and the mother hasn't picked up the child yet. She is still crying. I could hear her in the background.
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@LadyDuck (502886)
• Italy
14 Jan 21
When autistic children have a meltdown, they need first to be alone until they calm down. They need to feel safe and loved, this takes time.
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@LadyDuck (502886)
• Italy
22 Jan 21
@TheHorse You cannot scold an autistic kid, they cannot understand and they will stop communicating.
@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
Agreed. Scolding them does no good.
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@wolfgirl569 (136063)
• Marion, Ohio
14 Jan 21
Glad she calmed down for you. Maybe when the boss sees it working she will try it.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
I hope so!
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@sallypup (69252)
• Centralia, Washington
13 Jan 21
I'm glad that girl has you in her world. There is no distraction for the child? Lecturing a kid won't reach, only push away. Something is not getting into her little bubble. What brings the girl joy? Why is playing in an acceptable way better than having a melt down?
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@sallypup (69252)
• Centralia, Washington
14 Jan 21
@TheHorse Try different pitches and different instruments. I can't whistle. Every once in a long while someone will making a whistling sound on the radio and the dogs will perk up and look toward the radio. If I could whistle I think there would be another avenue of speech with them. Right now I use a combination of body language and sounds and human language.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
@sallypup When she was hugging me, she seemed to like the feeling of my deep voice. But I will try different frequency ranges (notes) and melodies. Today I was trying to imitate her vocalizations, but I was singing "in key."
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
We're still trying to figure out what she likes. I'm going to keep trying music.
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@JudyEv (382659)
• Rockingham, Australia
14 Jan 21
It seems your boss needs to read up a bit more about how to deal with an autistic child.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
I wonder if she'll read the article I sent her.
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@JudyEv (382659)
• Rockingham, Australia
14 Jan 21
@TheHorse I hope so but it doesn't sound like she is the type to admit she may not know everything.
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• Defuniak Springs, Florida
14 Jan 21
I remember those days. Working with autistic children and the over stimulation and meltdowns and fighting and biting and all of it. Were working with the autism center a county over to help them get better doors and rooms for their needs. Started it last week.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
14 Jan 21
Any thoughts/recommendations are welcome. I don't want to lose this kid. My sense is that she resonates with music.
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• Defuniak Springs, Florida
14 Jan 21
@TheHorse i don't know how one on one you are working with her or her parents? But there are apps for tablets etc that have helped me in the past, especially with non verbal. Just because they can't vocalize doesn't mean they can't express themselves. I don't know if she's old enough, but I had one kid that could show me what he wanted via pictures on a tablet or in a book. Staying calm is always number one though. But I think that's with every kid. Its just more important in cases like this. I'll message you later and we can talk more I'm off to work now n
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@BarBaraPrz (51839)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
14 Jan 21
Seems to be working with her. If it works with others, you could write a paper about it and get famous. Keep up the good work.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
Thank you. I've written many "scholarly" papers over the years, and the only people who read them are other researchers, trying to get their own stuff published and advance their own careers. That's a bit part of why I'm writing a book that (I hope) can be understood by everyone, not just other researchers.
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@1creekgirl (44560)
• United States
13 Jan 21
Horse, you're in the right place at the right time for that sweet baby.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
13 Jan 21
I hope I can help her.
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@just4him (323168)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
14 Jan 21
I'm sorry she had a meltdown. I'm glad she calmed down for you.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
She likes music and safe touch.
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@just4him (323168)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
24 Jan 21
@TheHorse That's good she does.
@Shiva49 (28402)
• Singapore
14 Jan 21
Not easy despite you being a professional. Need tons of patience and think out of the box.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
Patience is my middle name. I'll keep trying.
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@Shiva49 (28402)
• Singapore
22 Jan 21
@TheHorse I have always loved kids but now after a while I run out of ideas to engage an active child. Their energy levels and curiosity are just beyond me.
@LindaOHio (222896)
• United States
14 Jan 21
I think you have the answer for calming her down. You are so good with children.
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
I'll write more the next time I see her. I enjoy challenges.
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@cperry2 (5608)
• Newport, Oregon
14 Jan 21
I wonder, might it be time to remind your boss why she hired you, to work with the little one?
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@TheHorse (238388)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Jan 21
I just keep doing what I'm doing.
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@cperry2 (5608)
• Newport, Oregon
22 Jan 21
@TheHorse Probably the best.