The Horse Witnesses Something Upsetting Today

@crossbones27 (52984)

• Mojave, California

1 Jul 21

Its a epidemic here,even the ladies in professions of care are nasty mean.From doctors to teachers to the police

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@crossbones27 (52984)

• Mojave, California

1 Jul 21

@Butterfingers Its quite sad ,something is off with people's mentality.This coming from me who is not alll there mentally.

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Raj

@Butterfingers (66603)

• India

1 Jul 21

@crossbones27 this is worse

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Yuki

@yukimori (10192)

• United States

1 Jul 21

Okay, but consider this: by not rocking the boat in these circumstances you're enabling her to continue traumatizing children from already-troubled backgrounds. The fact that she's yelling at children for every developmentally-appropriate thing they do is awful. With you they have the confidence to explore their world freely. You can see the difference between how they are with an adult they trust versus the instability she's providing. I pulled my youngest from a daycare facility when her preschool room was taken over by a "flaky" master teacher; if I'd observed her behaving like that director I would have been significantly less passive about it. Besides... if she's comfortable with yelling at the children in front of an audience, how far does she go when nobody's watching?

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@crossbones27 (52984)

• Mojave, California

1 Jul 21

Thats a great point I get where is coming from though.You do the right thing in this country,you are the one that usually gets fired.Its sad to what has happened to this country.

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Yuki

@yukimori (10192)

• United States

1 Jul 21

@crossbones27 Yeah, it sucks that those considerations end up becoming a part of the equation. And thinking about it, are you considered a mandated reporter @TheHorse? If you are, you might be required to call it in regardless; the CDE specifically says it's not up to the mandated reporter to determine if the allegations are valid, just to report suspected abuse.

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@DaddyEvil (174590)

• United States

1 Jul 21

OMG! That hadn't even crossed my mind!

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Four Walls

@FourWalls (86778)

• United States

1 Jul 21

You have a degree in psychology, right? I think I’d get her in a private place (“praise in public, admonish in private”) and explain to her that these kids have trauma at home and they DON’T need it here. Respectful, polite, adult conversation. If she doesn’t respond to that I would call CPS. For one reason: kids only get a chance to be kids once, and if that’s flubbed up for them by some stupid adult there’s nothing that can get it back in adulthood.

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@BarBaraPrz (51837)

• St. Catharines, Ontario

1 Jul 21

I'm thinking she could respond to that... by firing him.

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

Yeppers, I have fancy degrees in psychology. I've thought of taking her aside and chatting with her. Right now I'm trying to "model" good teaching. She just called. There's more to the story. I'll tell you about it later. There was an event at the school Involving another teacher (not her) that led to her being reported to First Five, her funding source. That may be why she was unusually agitated yesterday.

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@DaddyEvil (174590)

• United States

1 Jul 21

I'm sorry, pony, but you can't let her continue to damage their little minds like that. They deserve to be treated like thinking human beings... Granted, children are resilient but that's abuse. Consider... Is it better to worry about bonds with kids they won't remember later or get them out of a harmful situation?

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

Yep, your thoughts are in line with mine. If I could interact with them every day...but that's not the way it is.

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Eva James

@wolfgirl569 (135910)

• Marion, Ohio

1 Jul 21

It still might be better to report her. Those kids have enough problems in their home life. They need a place to relax and learn in.

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Eva James

@wolfgirl569 (135910)

• Marion, Ohio

2 Jul 21

@TheHorse I would read it. But I would not keep all of it straight

So do the dinner post.

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

2 Jul 21

@wolfgirl569 Maybe I'll do it now. Or not.

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

My thoughts exactly. In another post, I might go all "psychological" and write about how stress raises cortisol levels. Elevated cortisol levels damage the hippocampus, the brain structure involved in learning. Secure attachments increase oxytocin. Oxytocin is a cortisol supressant. But nobody would read it, and I'd have to do a "What I Had for Dinner" post in retaliation.

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Sam Charles

@S4mmyboy (3266)

• Mumbai, India

1 Jul 21

Sad to read that. Someone has to bell the cat. If it keeps happening, make a way to let her know it is not right

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

Bell the cat? I do not now that expression.

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Sam Charles

@S4mmyboy (3266)

• Mumbai, India

1 Jul 21

@TheHorse To bell the cat means to attempt or agree to attempt an impossibly difficult task that if achieved, will benefit the entire community. ..... It's an old fable....So it goes like this..... A group of mice decide that the best way to deal with a murderous cat is to put a bell around his neck so that he can no longer sneak up on the mice. The trouble comes when it’s time to decide which mouse will be the one to risk his life to put the bell around the cat’s neck. None of the mice will volunteer, and the moral of the fable is don’t only consider the outcome when making plans; the plan itself must be achievable or it is useless. Today, to bell the cat means to risk one’s well-being in order to perform a difficult task that if achieved, will benefit the entire community. So..... something has to be done about the director of the school.

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@BarBaraPrz (51837)

• St. Catharines, Ontario

1 Jul 21

@S4mmyboy I remember a comic strip in the 70s where one of the girl mice volunteered because she thought they said "ball" the cat... she came back disheveled but satisfied.

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@BarBaraPrz (51837)

• St. Catharines, Ontario

1 Jul 21

This is a licensed daycare? What criteria need to be fulfilled to get said license? Does she have a degree in ECE and does she display her certificate or is she just an "amateur"?

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@BarBaraPrz (51837)

• St. Catharines, Ontario

1 Jul 21

@TheHorse Maybe she should be retested... or shot (your choice)

@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

She has her "units" and a license. Many of the "bad" teachers I've worked with had units. It's odd.

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allen0187

@allen0187 (59828)

• Philippines

1 Jul 21

I'd definitely report her but I'd make sure to have enough evidence against her.

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allen0187

@allen0187 (59828)

• Philippines

2 Jul 21

@TheHorse good luck. These children deserve better treatment than this.

@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

I am going to wait.

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Torunn

@Torunn (8606)

• Norway

1 Jul 21

I would say that if you are worried, you should phone. You've seen your share of children and care-takers, you have lot of experience and knowledge about this. If you're worried, there's a reason for it.

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Torunn

@Torunn (8606)

• Norway

1 Jul 21

@TheHorse It's a bit strange, it doesn't sound as if she really wants to work with children. Maybe she gets another, calmer teacher for the one she fired

@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

I am worried, but I'm not going to take any action right now. She wound up firing her Other teacher, who was also way too directive. But she has to look at her own behavior at a certain point.

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@crossbones27 (52984)

• Mojave, California

1 Jul 21

I would not do that yet.Who is next in chain of command? Tell them its lawsuit waiting to happen and will stain political career because that is all our leaders care about.I can't stand people yelling at dogs so anger violently,let alone kids.They are new to the world and trying to comprehend, no need for that

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@crossbones27 (52984)

• Mojave, California

1 Jul 21

@DaddyEvil Very true brother,how I was done also.Does not mean agree ,but was also told ,we not all likethat from Marines. Then one time in National Guard,Ijust got done working my day job which was swing shift .Got a couple hours of sleeep,drove to LA,then told you are oneof thedrivers for our deployment up north.About 300 miles,so had to refuel and forgot to shut off engine.This fool comes racing up.Shut The fing engine off.I go I am still asleep and if you ever speak to me like thatagain we will be sparring. Even seargent,noneed for that

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@DaddyEvil (174590)

• United States

1 Jul 21

No, unfortunately nothing "big" would happen in this case. If she was physically abusing the kids and someone in authority actually saw her doing it, then you might hear about it on the news... but just yelling at them for no reason will only get her license to run the daycare pulled, It might be a blurb in the local newspaper.

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Anna

@LadyDuck (502653)

• Italy

1 Jul 21

I understand that you do not want to "rock the boat", but this woman is not helping at all those kids. I imagine she is even worse when you are not around and she is alone with the kids Who is the superior of this director? You should talk to someone, here I would ask the police to install hidden cameras to monitor what she does when she is not seen by the others.

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Anna

@LadyDuck (502653)

• Italy

2 Jul 21

@TheHorse It is not a good thing that she has no superiors, so she imagines that she can do everything she likes. They put a couple in jail in Italy after the hidden cameras showed that they verbally abused kids.

@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

She has no superiors there. We did have a talk today. But I didn't go so far as to tell her to "chill out."

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N.B. Yomi

@Hanyouyomi (2186)

• Dallas, Texas

4 Jul 21

I'm sorry, I read those first three paragraphs while thinking:"Why have you not reported this?" But you don't want to rock the boat... Being discreet is key here it seems.

LindaOH

@LindaOHio (222623)

• United States

1 Jul 21

Can you take the director aside and explain quietly and calmly how you feel?

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

2 Jul 21

@LindaOHio I worry that she's really set in her ways. Even as we were talking, Tamir started to climb on the "closed" sensory table. I said, "Tamir, I don't think were supposed to climb on that. Hop down." She started yelling at him, though he was starting to get down.

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

We had a talk while I worked today. I didn't confront her directly, but I made my "educational philosophy" clear.

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LindaOH

@LindaOHio (222623)

• United States

2 Jul 21

@TheHorse Good for you! Maybe she'll take the hint.

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Scott Andersen

@DocAndersen (54399)

• United States

1 Jul 21

the dark and downside of education. crap like that is why I left teaching.

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@TheHorse (238342)

• Walnut Creek, California

1 Jul 21

You and my friend Michael's wife (and I, of course) could have some interesting conversations about education. She's 63, teaches in the lower grades (should be fun!), and can't wait to retire.

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