Common wealth vs. English in India

@vandana7 (90932)
India
August 6, 2022 11:46am CST
As far as I know all former Britain ruled nations are common wealth nations. There are common wealth games, and other benefits of being common wealth, mostly with UK acting as mother hen. Evil Grin. So we have High Commissioners to other common wealth nations instead of Ambassadors...doing pretty much the same thing but the title differs. Coming to India, I am left to wonder that in a nation so divided by its regional languages that are vastly different from one another, we object to accepting English as the binding force on the pretext that it is indirect acceptance of subjugation legacy. How don't ask me. When we take up jobs in the UK, and remit monies to India, it is pretty much ok but using English as a language is objectionable to some. But I stray once more... what I find contradictory is, we accept the legacy of High Commissioner, and we accept the common wealth benefits and games. But we have serious concerns about English as a language even though it is running homes and hearth of many people in this country now. May be I am old and senile.
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@RebeccasFarm (66821)
• United States
6 Aug
No I understand perfectly what you mean, I think? Take what they please to but object to what they do not want. The benefits of subjugation?
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
Exactly. Take what you like and condemn what you don't. Appreciate it when you need it, then dump it when you don't. Seems stupid to me.
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• United States
7 Aug
@vandana7 Yes like having your cake and eat it too.
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@BarBaraPrz (37504)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
6 Aug
It would be so much easier if we all spoke the same language, wouldn't it, but how would parents keep secrets from their kids if they didn't speak a different language? There was an attempt to get everyone to learn Esperanto in the 60s but I don't think it caught on. I watched an old movie last year that was all in Esperanto but didn't understand it at all. It starred a young and beautiful William Shatner.
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• Redlands, California
6 Aug
@BarBaraPrz How interesting. People take it as slap to the face, when it should be a badge of honer because people took the time to try to see where you are coming from. Why I never get mad at accents or hard to understand people. Hell my native language and still so many say I have no idea what you are saying.
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@BarBaraPrz (37504)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
6 Aug
@crossbones27 I have a hard time understanding speech sometimes, too, even with native speakers.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
There will be fewer misunderstandings for sure. I was wondering if the Amazon case with Future Retail in our country is due to misinterpretation of the language.
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@DaddyEvil (86689)
• United States
6 Aug
Just because you're old and senile doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with the way some things are done and thought about in every country, not just yours... And yes, I don't understand why a language that would make things easier in your country is looked down on... It's not like the language would replace all the dialects/languages spoken there. It's more of a convenience thing, in my opinion.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
I agree. People should focus on convenience.
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@DaddyEvil (86689)
• United States
7 Aug
@vandana7 Convenience doesn't mean they'll lose their "social identity". It means learning new things so they can keep the social identity intact while moving forward with life... How are you and dad today?
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@crossbones27 (44283)
• Redlands, California
6 Aug
Dude you sound like Brave Heart, been a common complaint through their history. Why you think US and Australia formed. Yet they exited the EU which made me laugh you are the EU. As far as English Language that is the least thing I would worry about. I respect all that try to communicate with each other for better days.
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@wolfgirl569 (57972)
• Marion, Ohio
7 Aug
One language would be extremely helpful to all. But I understand wanting to keep the original one also
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
Languages are bound to disappear and evolution is also inevitable. We no longer speak Shakespeare's language, do we? So clutching on to something that is not permanent anyway at the cost of something that at present is gonna be extremely helpful seems silly to me. Few may specialize, and those genuinely interested in it should learn and keep the legacy alive for as long as possible. But eventual outcome is gonna be what I said...disappearance of the language.
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@wolfgirl569 (57972)
• Marion, Ohio
7 Aug
@vandana7 Scholars can help keep the languages alive. The general public I feel would benefit if everyone could understand everyone else.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
@wolfgirl569 Exactly. I am for English. I know how badly off I was because I did not know it.
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@LindaOHio (98943)
• United States
7 Aug
I don't understand why English would be a problem. It would be helpful in a lot of ways.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
Somebody said common sense is not so common. We Indians are living proof of that.
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@LindaOHio (98943)
• United States
7 Aug
@vandana7 It's good to know that at least one person has some common sense!!!
@LadyDuck (399740)
• Switzerland
7 Aug
The Commonwealth, is a political association of 56 member states, most of which are former territories of the British Empire. I understand very well your point and you are right. They only want to take what the like, that is not correct.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
Yes, if they want to reject it, they shouldn't participate in common wealth games either. After all, it is a subtle reminder of being British subjects once upon a time, right?
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@LadyDuck (399740)
• Switzerland
21h
@vandana7 You are right, if they reject the language, they should not participate e in commonwealth games. People are weird.
@RubyHawk (66602)
• Atlanta, Georgia
7 Aug
I only speak English but I don’t travel to other countries
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
Hmm. In India, at every 50 kms or so you would find a new language.
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@RubyHawk (66602)
• Atlanta, Georgia
7 Aug
@vandana7 I could never speak to any one.
@moonandstars (60456)
• Zagreb, Croatia (Hrvatska)
7 Aug
you suffered a lot under british imperialism but there are positive sides too so, yes, i agree with you.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
Suffering is relative and issues in that period were different from issues now. We also have ourselves to blame for falling back on innovations, and fighting among ourselves, which is what enabled the Muslim invasion, and then the British invasion. Back then, trains were not as many. We did not have sufficient dams, and technologies for building them. We did not have roads, and other modes of transport. Our focus was not on education. Our culture prevented girls from being educated. It also prevented people from lower classes getting educated. Whatever happened was inevitable. Brits did quite a lot actually. We got trains, we got a few dams, we got schools. It certainly would not have been easy for them as well. The famines were difficult to manage without proper communication and transport system. Yes, they did a lot wrong too, but hey, we too wronged ourselves upfront by not focusing on education.
@sjvg1976 (34949)
• Delhi, India
7 Aug
Accepting English is far when we dont accept Hindi as our National language. I have heard in South India people dont like people who speak in Hindi and they dont want to speak it even though they know it.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
Accepting Hindi as national language is fine. Being asked to learn it is another story. Languages and humanities (history included), do not help much in finding well paying jobs. For a person in UP, Madhya Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Jharkhand, learning Hindi is easy because that is their mother tongue. They hear it everyday, and can get guidance at home. They also get Hindi newspaper each day. In South, though I can speak and write Hindi as fluently as you all, I am still against imposing a language that does not get us INTERNATIONAL Jobs. We need those jobs. Though I ask them to take these jobs back. We need these jobs because we are not stopping births. When Yashwant Sinha had to send the gold from Reserve Bank of India outside, it was Software earnings and BPOs, that bailed the country out. We need to take our lessons from there, instead of wasting the resources on learning something that is not gonna fill the belly. For North Indians, learning Hindi and English ..only two languages. Marathi has the same script as Hindi, so even Maharashtrians don't have to struggle learning it. South Indians have to learn Hindi, English, and their mother tongue. Totally three languages. You automatically put the southern children at a disadvantage ...of the 5 hours they get to study, they would end up spending at least half an hour studying what is not gonna fill their belly, just for the sake of national pride. Most of the South Indians know Hindi quite well, thank movies and tv serials for that. They just don't know how to write it. Is that so important? Why must official stuff all be converted into Hindi? I receive my Assessment Order in Hindi and English. We should always have choice in whichever language we use. And English unites us. We cannot change the fact that we were ruled by the Brits. Trying to hide behind the pallu of Hindi is not gonna change that fact. So we might as well learn to accept it, and move on. As long as our people are working for citizens of other nations, we are still slaves. Let us be honest about that too. We have to improve us instead of wasting our student's time learning what is useless for him or her, in a world where information and knowledge is emerging at an extremely high speed. We put our children at a disadvantage when compared to children elsewhere. Why? For national pride? That will go to dogs if we continue to have large current account deficits and vulnerability at borders with China.
@gtdoss (213)
6 Aug
I wonder if some of the people that have objections to using English don't like that many English-speaking people think that English is somehow better than other languages. I live in the US, and most of us have no interest in learning another language other than English. I would love to learn other languages, but it gets much harder when you get older like me to retain new information.
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@vandana7 (90932)
• India
7 Aug
English is an extremely flexible language. It accommodates words of other languages. It also can be used to say different things using same words by merely shifting the positions of the words in a sentence. While this can lead to misunderstandings if one is not too careful, it also improves the speed of functioning. People need to practice, and focusing on mother tongue, invariably will lead to mental translation of the sentence. I wish we were not having as many as 22 languages with almost 6 more dialects. As things stand, English is the only language that unites us, but people are objecting to it. I think that is pretty dumb.
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