Please do not read if you get depressed easily.

@AmbiePam (85604)
United States
July 23, 2023 11:47am CST
I really don’t want anyone to get depressed, so if you are in a bad place, I appreciate you stopping by, but you might want to go to another post that is uplifting. Friday, I was walking my dog, when my apartment manager called me into her office, saying she needed to talk to someone. We’ve only had casual conversations, so I wasn’t sure what to expect. Turns out, it was about something that had happened at the other apartment complex she manages. There had been a murder/suicide, and it was obviously weighing on her. She had witnessed a domestic violence incident where the man had been strangling the woman out in the open, and that day my apartment manager had held him at gunpoint (she owns one legally) until the police had showed up. The woman ended up dropping the charges against him. The final act of murder/suicide she had not witnessed, although several people at that other place, unfortunately had (he chased her out of their apartment). I don’t know if domestic violence involves evil AND mental illness. I don’t know how you convince a battered woman to leave an abusive person, and save herself, and her children from further harm. It stays with you though. Just to be clear: this did not happen at my apartment complex. It occurred at another complex my apartment manager also oversees. What would you have said? Could anything have been said? I think my manager just wanted someone to listen to her, but I know she felt guilty, as if she could have done more.
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@hillhjill (23664)
• United States
23 Jul
Oh wow that's terrible to be a part of, I wouldn't know what to say and just listen to what they have to say to get off their chest. I know this type of story because my best friend went through it.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
Is your best friend okay now?
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
@hillhjill I’m sure she did what she had to do, and I’m glad she has you as well.
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@hillhjill (23664)
• United States
23 Jul
@AmbiePam it was insanely bad, but she got through it and I know that it will always be with her and what happened.
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@snowy22315 (170137)
• United States
23 Jul
What an honor she trusted you enough to talk to you, you should feel proud of yourself even if it was something you didn't particularly want to hear. It sounds like she did what she could do. Maybe she could have checked in more on the situation, but holding someone at gunpoint is pretty gutsy. It is hard to know what goes through people's minds sometimes.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
It really is. I don’t understand that kind of rage.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
That's very horrible though
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@sjvg1976 (41131)
• Delhi, India
24 Jul
There is no point in her staying with an abusive husband.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
24 Jul
I guess she was brainwashed in a way.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
Me too here
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@DaddyEvil (137142)
• United States
23 Jul
There's nothing else she could have done. I don't understand why anyone stays with an abusive person. There are always options. I'm sorry that happened.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
I can’t imagine living like that.
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@DaddyEvil (137142)
• United States
23 Jul
@AmbiePam I think, but am not sure, that people are too scared of changing things and so they stay with the abusive person.
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@LeaPea2417 (36469)
• Toccoa, Georgia
23 Jul
@AmbiePam I would never live like that. At the first abuse against me, I would be out of the situation.
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@dya80dya (33634)
23 Jul
This is like in a horror movie. I know a woman who stays with an abusive person. It's very sad.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
Yes, it is.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
Most of them wouldn't move on because they say they can't leave their children
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@thebos (5779)
• Kisumu, Kenya
23 Jul
I'm just surprised, meaning domestic violence is very real in the world
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
Yes, unfortunately.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
It's very real indeed
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@thebos (5779)
• Kisumu, Kenya
24 Jul
@AmbiePam That leaves me asking if there is still humanity
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@allknowing (130064)
• India
23 Jul
Many opt to stay as they do not have any other place to go.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
They mostly eventually die there
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@RebeccasFarm (86767)
• United States
23 Jul
She did what she could..and sometimes yes, that is what is needed just to unload. You were very good to listen to her. So sad now she has to live with this, but she did nothing wrong. It is terrible when a battered person keeps going back and usually this is the end result. Thank goodness there were no children involved?
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
@RebeccasFarm Oh, yeah. That’s a big deal that they weren’t there.
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• United States
24 Jul
@AmbiePam Right to say the least
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• United States
23 Jul
@AmbiePam Well at least that then.
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@jstory07 (134444)
• Roseburg, Oregon
24 Jul
There was nothing more that she could do. If someone wants to kill themselves they will find a way to do it.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
You are absolutely very right
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@LeaPea2417 (36469)
• Toccoa, Georgia
23 Jul
She did try to help. That's all she could do.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
That's was understandable for her
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@aninditasen (15744)
• Raurkela, India
24 Jul
I don't think she is guilty in anyway. A woman has to protest for herself to get justice. In India still domestic violence is prevalent. I myself tried to interfere and teach and set right things in two of my past maids case. It's they who protected their rogue husbands and therefore I stay away from any such problem.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
24 Jul
You did all you could do, and that’s something.
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@aninditasen (15744)
• Raurkela, India
25 Jul
@AmbiePam It really disturbs me that domestic violence still exists in India and other parts of the world.
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@BabeSays (8576)
• Mauritius
24 Jul
I did not read.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
24 Jul
That’s probably wise.
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@BabeSays (8576)
• Mauritius
24 Jul
@AmbiePam You know me too well.
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@MarieCoyle (28753)
23 Jul
She needed someone to talk to, it all made a terrible impression on her, it was something she will not ever forget. No, there is nothing you could have really said to fix that, not ever. Sometimes, people have to reach out for someone to listen to them. She chose you, yes, it's hard and it adds to your worries and burdens. But she must have known you would listen to her. As Snowy said, be honored. It speaks volumes for the kind of person that you are, Amber. There is nothing you could have said. She needed you to listen, and you did. There are times in this life that listening is the very best gift you can give to someone. It's hard for you to know the details of it all, and the trauma that it caused her. I am sure you completely feel her pain and fear. The main thing being, you were there for her. She was very fortunate that you were.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
Thank you, Marie. I appreciate the kind words.
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@ogbenishyna (2956)
29 Jul
This is very serious, I'm not sure what to say.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
29 Jul
Thank you for reading it.
@sissy15 (12269)
• United States
3 Aug
Back in the day I lived in low income apartments when my son was just a toddler, we didn't live there long for many reasons but one day we were walking by our next door neighbor's apartment and the blinds and window were open and we heard her screaming and her boyfriend was holding her down and beating her and she was crying asking him to stop and my husband immediately called the cops. The cops came out and got a statement and the guy that did it actually got on his skateboard and took off. I remember everyone hated us after that because apparently, we should have minded our own business because it's fine for this guy to beat the crap out of his girlfriend as long as he seemed decent to them. She ended up taking him back and after that we washed our hands with it. The guy's friends harassed us after that and our apartment manager was a terrible person and was more concerned with us calling than the fact that the guy beat up the girl. I'm glad your manager was actually concerned about this woman and tried to help. They aren't all like that trust me. The apartment manager that was there when I lived there ended up getting fired for many reasons after we left. She was a piece of work. I don't know what happened to the girl or her boyfriend and I understand battered women almost always take back their men but it's seldom that everyone blames the people trying to help but of course that was the case with us. I hated it there and am so glad I left. I hear the management is better now but I really don't know. I guess the best thing you can say is that she did her best, unfortunately, things like that happen especially in abusive relationships. That was bound to happen no matter how hard she tried. Another story that happened in my town was a woman and her boyfriend were murdered by the girls ex-boyfriend and father of two of her children. She had finally managed to leave him and find happiness and he found a way into her house and murdered her and the boyfriend in their bedroom with their children upstairs and her young daughter is the one that found them and had to call the cops. The guy had a restraining order and had tried to kill her previously. He had actually tied her up and slit her throat before but didn't kill her at that point and they still let him out on bail! With or without a restraining order if they want to hurt or kill them they will a restraining order is just a piece of paper. My point is no matter what your manager did it was bound to happen if he was that determined. I know it probably doesn't offer a lot of comfort but the fact that she tried at all means the world. I think about the manager at my complex and how unconcerned she was or I think about how a woman who had a restraining order against her ex and he still managed to get to her. If the police can't keep someone safe then there's an even higher probability she couldn't have done more.
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@much2say (53954)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Jul
Oh wow - that is really heavy. It was good of you to be an ear for her. Your apartment manager was more than brave to do what she did! I think too that she was probably feeling guilty for what happened thereafter . . . no matter what is said, I'm sure in the back of her mind she will always wonder if she could have prevented it. It's unfortunate and tragic it ended this way - it's sad these kinds of relationships/marriages even exist.
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@just4him (306541)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
24 Jul
I'm glad you took time to listen. I don't know what you could have said, but listening helped. I don't know what she could have done. It's terrible that she witnessed what she did. I'm sorry the person still killed someone and himself. As for whether it involves evil and mental illness, I believe they do in my opinion.
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@LindaOHio (156541)
• United States
23 Jul
She shouldn't feel guilty. It was all out of her hands. What a horrible situation. I feel sorry for the survivors that have to deal with this. Nothing can really be said except that you're sorry it occurred.
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@AmbiePam (85604)
• United States
23 Jul
I feel sorry for them too. I hope they have access to counseling if they want it. I also hope my apartment manager considers it.
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@stapllotik (1933)
• India
28 Jul
Amber, You are kind, trustworthy and a responsible citizen. It is a shame that domestic violence against women worldwide occurs in different forms.
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@Treborika (17286)
• Mombasa, Kenya
24 Jul
I suppose there is no point for living with such kind of person in the name of perseverance as I normally see it with some couples in my country.
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