I got Christopher to spread his fingers out today!

@TheHorse (206583)
Walnut Creek, California
April 20, 2024 6:30pm CST
Christopher is child I have been teaching piano to for perhaps two years. He is a special needs kid, but I don't know what his official diagnosis is, nor do I really care. I think he is Autistic. He is about ten. He looks kind of at me and kind of through me. He sometimes ignores questions and repeats his ritual behaviors. He has the musical gift, as have other Autistic children I've worked with. He plays the piano mostly with his two index fingers. He likes to repeat a left/right sequence and then slightly change the notes he is playing. But if I show him a certain melody (his family wants him to do Christmas carols), he will play it. He can already play Jingle Bells, Rudolph, Joy to the World, and the beginning of Beethoven's Fur Elise. I can say, "Play C and G, 'Christopher style,' so I can play a melody over it." He will do it. "Now play D and A, so I can make up a sadder (minor) melody." Done. He enjoys our lessons, and we communicate through an interesting combination of spoken language and music. Recently, I have been able to get him to play with more than one finger on each hand. Today I actually got him to do a "half-scale" (C-D-E-F-G) with the five fingers of his right hand. I asked Christopher if we could show his Grandfather, and he said yes. His Grandfather was thrilled. I continue to have a hypothesis that there is something about the Autistic brain that responds to music. I have discussed my hypothesis with Dan Levitin, the man who wrote "This is Your Brain on Music." Dan says there's not enough grant money out there to really test my hypothesis, but that he agrees with me. I'll do "Christopher Updates" as new things happen. As some of you may remember, I had a similar experience with an Autistic 2-year-old at a friend's preschool. Music (mostly singing) became our means of communication, and singing together opened up avenues to other part of the toddler's brain that nobody had known existed. He could count to ten, for example. But only when I was around. Yes, others did witness it. His mother was shocked. And thrilled. I have not systematically studied Music Therapy. Nor have I conducted any quantitative research research on Autism and music If I had a longer "shelf life," maybe I would take it up. For now, I'll continue to do what I do and "entertain hypotheses." Have you ever seen Autistic kids (or other special needs kids) positively affected by music?
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@FourWalls (62475)
• United States
20 Apr
With the photo, I was thinking you were teaching him “Christmas in Prison.” You’re the expert, but I know there are countless studies on the positive effects of music on autistic people.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
20 Apr
Of course, I'd wonder how rigorous they were. I've done a bit of reading, but not that much.
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@FourWalls (62475)
• United States
20 Apr
@TheHorse — they’ve said for decades that classical music (particularly Mozart or Bach) makes people “smarter.”
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@GardenGerty (157671)
• United States
21 Apr
@FourWalls My particular student, who is not diagnosed with autism, but does have some tendencies, liked Mozart, but not Beethoven, when we played that for him a lot.
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@marguicha (215846)
• Chile
21 Apr
I have heard about Autism and music but I don´t know where. It seems that music math appeals to them. As I see it, as long as he is happy, let him play.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
Music and math are related.
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@marguicha (215846)
• Chile
21 Apr
@TheHorse I know.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
@marguicha I am going to pursue this thread of inquiry.
@GardenGerty (157671)
• United States
21 Apr
I have only known one child with autism that did not like music. He begged to be excused from music class, but district said "no". A sad thing about the covid closings is that that year, in preparing for our spring concert, my kid found a song he really liked and actually participated and requested it. Then the schools closed. No concert, no classes. The last I worked with him was that school year.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
What was the song?
@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Apr
@TheHorse What was the song?
@kareng (55166)
• United States
21 Apr
Me thinks you are on to something with that hypothesis!
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
I will carry on.
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@kareng (55166)
• United States
21 Apr
1@TheHorse Please do!
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
@kareng I did some reading yesterday. It does appear that Autistic people do often respond well to music therapy. But what's still not clear is if and why the Autistic brain responds to music more than the average brain.
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@jstory07 (134650)
• Roseburg, Oregon
21 Apr
I agree with you. A lot of Autistic children out grew it when they are adults and some do not. My friend's two boys out grew it and her adult boys are doing good now.
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@jstory07 (134650)
• Roseburg, Oregon
21 Apr
@TheHorse They own their own construction company and repair things on the off season.
@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
What are they doing now?
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@wolfgirl569 (95748)
• Marion, Ohio
21 Apr
I have not been around any that I know of.
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@wolfgirl569 (95748)
• Marion, Ohio
21 Apr
@TheHorse Not that I have noticed at least.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
@wolfgirl569 I have met a few over the years.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
Have you ever known someone who rattles off massive amounts of information about something nobody else cares about? That person could have what we used to call "Asperger's Syndrome." Kind of like Rain Man.
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@celticeagle (159538)
• Boise, Idaho
21 Apr
I tend to agree with you about Autistic people responding to music. They seem to live inside their own brain.
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@celticeagle (159538)
• Boise, Idaho
21 Apr
@TheHorse .......Good communication.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
But they can express some things through music. That is significant to me.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Apr
@celticeagle That is what it's all about.
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@kaylachan (58242)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
21 Apr
I can't say that I have. Outside o of television and movies.
@LadyDuck (459212)
• Switzerland
21 Apr
I am glad that Christopher seems to enjoy his lessons. It seems that music can be beneficial for people with autism. For what I have read, music can even play a role in supporting social relationships, communication, emotional regulation, and more. It seems that it is working for Christopher.
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@LadyDuck (459212)
• Switzerland
22 Apr
@TheHorse I am not sure about schizophrenic people and music. Often my sister in law was very disturbed by music. She liked ONLY what she wanted to hear, if different she became agitated, anxious and aggressive.
@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
I think music can be helpful for ADHD, Autistic, depressed, and even schizophrenic people. I am entertaining the hypothesis that there is something unique about the Autistic brain that makes it respond to music. Autistic people tend to like "patterns." Music is counting without knowing it.
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@xander6464 (40902)
• Wapello, Iowa
21 Apr
I haven't researched this, either, but I think you're onto something.
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@xander6464 (40902)
• Wapello, Iowa
22 Apr
@TheHorse Those are fine sentiments, and I agree with them, but you should know that if you keep talking like that, President Trump won't pick you to be his running mate.
@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
I think so too. I hope Levitin (way more well-known than I am) stays in touch with me. I am sincere in my desire to help kids who are seen as "developmentally delayed," or "special needs," or whatever, to prosper. They are fellow humans.
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@RasmaSandra (73751)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
21 Apr
I have not been around autistic children, It is great that you are able to help him.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 Apr
I hope I can continue to do so.
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• Midland, Michigan
21 Apr
No, but it makes sense since I think most humans are affected by music. It's cool that he's willing to try new things like using his whole hand to okay the piano.
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• Midland, Michigan
21 Apr
@TheHorse it's great that your can recognize where that is for each child and are able to work with them in that way. It's too bad each child doesn't have a teacher willing to go allow with them if needed. Do you have a degree for this or are you self taught? I don't remember if you've shared this before.
@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
it has taken time. I had to meet with him at "his level." I am trying to use what he "feels safest" with and expand on that base.
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@JudyEv (326149)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Apr
I think I've told you about our nephews who are on the spectrum but very musical.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
Yes, you have mentioned them. It would be fun to meet them. And jam with them.
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@LindaOHio (157243)
• United States
21 Apr
I've seen some amazing Autistic kids do some amazing things with music. I hope you continue to do what you do. You're so good at it. Have a good day.
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@TheHorse (206583)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Apr
Have you heard of Derek, the Autistic kid from a rich family in Britain who became a "savant" for the ages?
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@LindaOHio (157243)
• United States
22 Apr
@TheHorse No, I've never heard of him.