I completely disagreed with Pope Francis

@vandana7 (102034)
India
June 28, 2025 6:35pm CST
It is selfless to take care of pets, which are gods creations. And in that I would include the ones from breeders because pets have no way to escape that torture. Once in the world, they need love and care and they have ample of that to give in return. In so far as human children are concerned, playing with them is fine, but adopting? Definitely no. It is expensive for starters. Then children may not turn out to be model citizens, despite our best efforts and expenses. I have a neighbor older than I, about 8 years older. When he was much younger, he left his mother in old age home. It is not as if he couldn't afford to look after her. That lady had almost 6 or 7 kids. Collectively, they could have kept the mother at one place, and incurred the expenses. Instead, he found an old age home in a far flung place. He has not mentioned the costs involved. He has a son in America and tends to go on holidays every six months. But he didn't have the heart to spend on his mother. Yet, the society respects him. It is folks like him that make me feel good that I didn't have kids, and didn't adopt one. The trend is catching up. Those who are not leaving parents are often facing issues in their marriages. The dog is not gonna nag me ...you have not yet done the laundry or you use too much comfort in laundry. Nor will try to hint that I am using too much air freshener like my house help suggests. A child, own or adopted out here, will definitely calculate how much I am spending, and have comments. If not him or her, his or her spouse and the in laws will. And then, I consider adopting children of parents who are alive wrong, unless the parents have met with some major mishap, or suffer with a paralytic stroke or whatever rendering them incapable of earning. Even then, I can only extend helping hand. I am not in need of folks who would end up monitoring me. Seriously, a child with parents, if adopted, in my case, will bring in the burden of parents as well, and they will end up monitoring my way of living, including spending on stray dogs. Dogs cannot earn. Humans can. Dogs love with whole heart. Humans pretend and often have ulterior motive. Dogs cannot hurt verbally, humans can. In so far as physical abuse is concerned, none of my 10 have bitten me. Nipped out of excitement and want of attention yes, bitten no. With humans ..there are endless stories of neglect by own children, forget the adopted ones. So why on earth would I struggle to finance another person's enjoyment, presuming child is conceived out of enjoyment? And in so far as the world is concerned, IT NEEDS TO BRING DOWN NUMBERS. We cut trees to build homes for people, destroying oxygen, and increasing pollution. We are not satisfied with small homes, we want huge homes. All polluting things. We have only one planet. Humans can control having children, but animals cannot. So my vote for pets. The Pope possibly felt that the competing religion will outnumber Christianity and that could spell death of the religion. But are there any decent paying jobs waiting? If unemployed, crime rates will increase, isn't it? But hey, the competing religion members are also realizing that it is their loved ones who pay the price when they have more children. We have only one world. So I am for neutering and spaying strays. In fact, I would be fine if they were put to sleep after they cross 12. But fur babies any day over a human child. A tad controversial. What do you think?
https://www.themonastery.org/blog/pope-francis-scolds-selfish-couples-that-adopt-pets-instead-of-children?srsltid=AfmBOopH5aOOSLXJh6Nu5K9lvRWvPTlnq6e0k7FuHEA3DGbORsAivP4P
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@JudyEv (357053)
• Rockingham, Australia
29 Jun
Everything you say is quite true. The more I see of people, the more I like animals.
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@vandana7 (102034)
• India
29 Jun
As I was explaining to Jimlos.......everybody can spare only some amount, which collectively needs to be used to remove some problem of the society for good. It is given to us by the almighty for that purpose, not for enjoyment but for bringing down misery. Among the types of miseries, the ones that are self created need less help than the ones that are created by other situations. We also need to recognize that the ones that are created by other situations out of our control can actually be diminished considerably across a period. But the ones that are created out of carelessness will continue to be around forever and even multiply. So to curtail carelessness we ought to be firm and limit the help. I would be ok with fostering the child of a drunkard, or gambler because as Jimlos said, it is not the mistake of the child. That said, I would not be adopting the child. So if I had 10000, and I could spare 3000, I would spare that for the child every month till he or she became 21. All needs wants and desires have to be confined in that, or the child needs to approach another person too. But if I have a wealth of 100000 at the end of my life, why on earth will I give to this child? By then, he is educated, he can earn on his own. But the street dogs cannot get themselves vaccinated or neutered or treated. If they hurt, or get infected, they bite...many people will be hurt in the process. After child reaches 21, then he or she has to find a job. He or she is on his own. Required help has been rendered. He cannot use us as crutches. We worked hard to get here, he has to work hard too. As simple as that. Then the turn of the next child and after that another. No one child or family should be cornering all the money that can be spared for charity. Hope I am getting across clearly. English not being my mother tongue, I maybe all over the place in expressing what I feel. 1 child benefit vs. many people benefit...choice is obvious.
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@JudyEv (357053)
• Rockingham, Australia
29 Jun
@vandana7 You do very well, Vanny, with your English and I understand what you are saying.
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29 Jun
I actually agree with that
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29 Jun
I don't think you are controversial at all. It is selfless to take care of pets , no controversy there. I would not adopt a child either, so again you were not controversial. Leaving parents in old people's care homes is perfectly normal these days as people don't want lumbered with infirm or unwell parents - that's a fact , not controversial Kids do not owe us anything.. We should not expect them to look after us when we cannot look after ourselves What may be controversial is me saying it is selfish for us to expect our children to do that. Being lumbered with an elderly parent may certainly cause issues in a marriage, that is very true, not controversial What would you really do with the children with parents still alive who needs adoption? It's not the child's fault they are in that position. You may not want to adopt one, neither would I But neither you or I can consider it wrong because that is cruel. A leading light on here has adopted kids in her family where the parents of the kids are still alive - giving a child in need a home, stability and love is selfless too. I love animals as much as the next person does You said "Seriously, a child with parents, if adopted, in my case, will bring in the burden of parents as well," The solution is then as you already said, is not to adopt. Nothing you have said is controversial Not even your putting the life of." fur babies" before human children. You would be a hopeless parent. Just as I was. And that my.dear.is why you are not controversial Misguided, perhaps, just like me Outspoken, almost certainly Controversial, nah As for the Pope - there may just be some controversy waiting to jump out from his skeletal cupboard
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@vandana7 (102034)
• India
29 Jun
I agree there.... it is selfish to expect children to look after us in old age. Nevertheless, who else will. In these days and times, there are old age homes. But for those who have children, it is natural for them to want to be with children. Moreover, they may feel more comfortable expressing their needs of old age like I need a change of diaper to a family member than to a stranger in an assisted living facility. For those like I, we have no choice...and so...we have to take it in our stride. But a child is definitely not an investment to be cashed in later on. Out here, we do not have decent old age homes, so we expect them to. The few good ones are way beyond budget. But whoever asked people to have more kids and not keep anything for self? I would help if the girl was raped, and she conceived...and became sorta incapable of earning. I would help if there was acid attack. But adopting kids of people who have had children without planning for them is strictly no. The moment a child is born, parents should take insurance. Right? Our ancestors didn't have all those methods, nor were they well educated to understand such things. But now, we are bombarded with such information.
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@vandana7 (102034)
• India
29 Jun
While it is not the child's fault to be born to parents who cannot fulfill their needs, I say adoption in that context is wrong because it sets a precedent for irresponsible births. Helping the child with food, clothing, and medicines and even education and transport is fine. That would be finite help. But by adopting a child, we make the child "entitled" to our retirement nest egg when we pass on. That ...is not needed in this case, I feel.
29 Jun
@vandana7 Nevertheless, who else will. In these days and times, there are old age homes. But for those who have children, it is natural for them to want to be with children. I think whilst certain elements of that may be true, societal habits have changed and older parents and grandparents have largely accepted it's not really feasible to expect their offspring toolk after them any more because of the changes in societal habits . They may well want a diaper changed by a family member, but these days it's more than likely the family member hasn't got the time or the actual desire to administer care like that Ah, finances It costs about £2k per week for a decent care home here - it's not cheap and hey, I kept my father out of a care home and it nearly caused Yvonne my wife, and me to have breakdowns How do you advocate for a planned pregnancy and one which wasn't planned or where the parents were simply incapable of being adequate parents?? A bit unfair on the child don't you think? At the end of the day, human nature takes over, the laws of attraction, the inability to control desires. Nothing new in that either. I saw some good advice. I am not a Christian by any stretch of the imagination But what would Jesus say!
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@rebelann (114209)
• El Paso, Texas
29 Jun
I agree with you, I've known more loving furbabies than people including my own family.
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@vandana7 (102034)
• India
29 Jun
There is no shrewdness no cunning behavior nothing that you need to hold your tongue back and phrase politely even when mind is saying something else. LOL I would say human beings are stress creators, and dogs are stress busters. LOL
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@rebelann (114209)
• El Paso, Texas
29 Jun
I like that phrase human beings are stress creators, and dogs are stress busters I hope you will not mind if I borrow it
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29 Jun
@rebelann Cats are stress busters So are dogs We looked after a staffie a few times and we were totally chilled out by her
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@LadyDuck (477602)
• Italy
29 Jun
Vanny, I also totally disagreed with Pope Francis and this was not the only thing I disagreed about. Many Catholics disagreed about plenty of things he said.
@wolfgirl569 (118400)
• Marion, Ohio
29 Jun
I have always preferred animals
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@vandana7 (102034)
• India
20h
When priests and political leaders request people to have more children, I lose respect for them.
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@vandana7 (102034)
• India
12h
@wolfgirl569 Callousness ...just like pet breeders.
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@wolfgirl569 (118400)
• Marion, Ohio
18h
@vandana7 The so called president here is even wanting to offer extra money for people to have kids. But not after they turn I think 6 years old. And not enough to cover all the expenses that come with a kid
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@LindaOHio (192859)
• United States
29 Jun
That's why we always had dogs and not children. We never had the burning desire to procreate.
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@vandana7 (102034)
• India
29 Jun
Humans find reasons to hate dogs. Dogs react only when humans are extremely unreasonable.
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@LindaOHio (192859)
• United States
29 Jun
@vandana7 Dogs are God's greatest creation next to Man. That's an exaggeration; but it still holds true.
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