A different 'take' on the birth of Jesus

@JudyEv (370924)
Rockingham, Australia
November 23, 2025 7:23pm CST
Bishop Salvado established the monastery town of New Norcia and I’ve written quite a few discussions about it. The aborigines he worked with and educated were not so much primitive but completely uninformed about what was outside their own environment. So Jesus’ birth in a stable surrounded by donkeys, cows and sheep meant nothing to them. However, they could relate to a baby born under grass-trees with kangaroos, kookaburras and emus looking on. This fresco is one of several on the walls of part of the church. All have an Australian flavour.
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@LadyDuck (492593)
• Italy
24 Nov
The classic representation of Jesus Birthday is most of the time not correct, so why not see it on a different location.
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@LadyDuck (492593)
• Italy
24 Nov
@JudyEv I am sure, they cannot imagine the representation in another country. In Italy the classic "Presepe" (nativity representation), is a village with houses and often with snow, that is also NOT correct. This is the photo of a classic Italian presepe. I stopped making one, too much work.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Nov
It would have made more sense to the aborigines if put in this context.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 Nov
@LadyDuck I think many people (me included) adapt things to fit around what is familiar and known to us.
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@nela13 (59177)
• Portugal
24 Nov
A different version, we don't know which one is correct.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 Nov
I guess it's a way of telling about the birth of the baby Jesus that could be understood by the aborigines.
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@nela13 (59177)
• Portugal
29 Nov
@JudyEv it can be that.
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@AmbiePam (112096)
• United States
24 Nov
I understand that bit of thought. Not Biblical, but a lot of cultures take liberties. I remember my dad telling me once he went to a Korean church, and in paintings shown there Jesus was portrayed as Korean. Then, I attended a primarily African American church, and Jesus was portrayed as black. It’s an odd thing since Jesus was Jewish and that is well documented.
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@AmbiePam (112096)
• United States
24 Nov
@JudyEv Yes, absolutely.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Nov
People are loose with the truth sometimes. I can understand it in this case as nothing about the nativity would have made any sense otherwise.
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@wolfgirl569 (129119)
• Marion, Ohio
24 Nov
I like that
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
25 Nov
At least the aborigines would have recognised that a birth was involved.
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@LindaOHio (212948)
• United States
24 Nov
Interesting that Jesus's birth was shown as something the Aborigines could relate to.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Nov
It was very sensible really. Otherwise it's all pie in the sky if there is nothing familiar that you can relate to.
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@2ndchances24 (11647)
• Cloverdale, Indiana
24 Nov
I don't get it?? "So Jesus’ birth in a stable surrounded by donkeys, cows and sheep meant nothing to them. "but they could relate to a baby born under grass-trees with kangaroos, kookaburras and emus looking on" ??
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Nov
We are talking about Australian aborigines in the mid-1800s. They'd only known about white men for a few years. They would never have seen donkeys, cattle or sheep so it would have just been a meaningless fairytale to them. Put in terms of animals and an environment they knew, they were more likely to understand.
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• Cloverdale, Indiana
24 Nov
@JudyEv o.k I guess that would make some sense.
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@GardenGerty (167574)
• United States
24 Nov
His vision and understanding is awesome.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
25 Nov
I think so too. Such a sensible idea.
@Fishmomma (11629)
• United States
24 Nov
I like the idea of making it relate to what you already know, as when people would tell me stories as a young person would understand them better. Now as an old person think I like to go explore online about other beliefs and ways things are done by others.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 Nov
When you're young, there is a lot that doesn't make sense. These people had never been outside their own environment so the original version mightn't have made much sense to them.
@LeaPea2417 (39424)
• Toccoa, Georgia
24 Nov
That is very interesting.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 Nov
It's a nice slant on the Biblical story.
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@RasmaSandra (93905)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
24 Nov
I like that it is certainly different,
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 Nov
The aborigines would have understood it better.
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@Fleura (33807)
• United Kingdom
24 Nov
It's not so different really is it? What I find has got lost nowadays is that, at that time, probably in that place and also here, a stable and a house for people were not so very different.
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@JudyEv (370924)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Nov
I'm sure you're right. Some migrants who came to our town when I was child slept in the shed of some relatives until they were able to build a house.
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