Help, Need Some Advice

@carolbee (16230)
United States
November 28, 2007 8:03am CST
I loaned money to a friend well over two years ago. I did recover three small payments but nothing close to the actual balance owed. I've asked several times for some sort of payment only to hear, "I need to send you some money." Nothing arrives in the mail. I helped this friend through a couple of real rough times and thought our 20 plus year friendship would justify making the loan. Don't want to sever the friendship but at the same time, this person is not a friend and I was used. Taking this situation to court is not something I would consider at this time. What would be your next move?
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12 responses
• United States
28 Nov 07
I have come to the conclusion that it is never a good idea to loan anything out that you can't afford to lose. I gave in once and loaned a book that was very important to me to my best friend thinking it would be safe. The next thing I know she's in the middle of a heated divorce and I never saw the book again. She didn't mean to lose it, it just happened that way. I have never been in the position of being able to loan anyone money... I have always been the one needing the money. My sister didn't talk to me for almost 7 years over a bad loan. She felt taken advantage of, like I was doing it deliberately. I just never had the friggin' extra money to start paying her back. My mother had a lifetime friendship ruined over a measly 2000 dollars that she had loaned. I agree with most of the other responders here... consider it a gift and let it go. Not to save the friendship, as that is most likely already done for, but to save yourself gut churning stress. Pretend that you're wealthy and that you don't need the money, that will probably make it easier to let it go than dwelling on how much you need it yourself right now. My brother, before he left California to join the rest of us over here on the east coast, sold a bunch of his stuff to a homeless guy he was friends with. For the next year after he left the state his homeless friend sent him payments faithfully every month until the debt was paid, and then sent him a couple of extra payments! Of course his friend lived in a tent in the hills of Marin and had no rent or bills to pay so every month when his disability check came he didn't have much use for it except to send it to my brother. Most people aren't in a situation where they can afford to pay money out so easily. I have found that in my life every thing ALWAYS works out for the best, even if I can't see how it's possible at the time.
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
28 Nov 07
Wow, thanks so much for your very informative response. Yes, I can afford to drop it and call it a gift but my gut says don't let it go. Let me explain why I feel this way. She's been shopping, to dinners, to a casino, etc. So I feel like chopped liver, I've been used. Her extra money is spent on more important things than me, the one who remained a friend through 2 divorces and hard times. She stuck me on the back burner. If she simply couldn't afford to pay me, I'd understand much better and say it's a lesson learned. I'd rather be in my shoes than hers!
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• United States
28 Nov 07
Carolbee: Yeah, that was similar to the situation with my mother and her friends (they were a married couple). After the bad patch that had caused them to borrow money from my mother they moved to Bel Air California (very ritzy area), he got himself a new Cadillac, and his wife a new Mercedes, etc. They figured my mother didn't need the money that's why they never made any attempt to pay it back. I think she eventually did get the money back when they realized that she actually needed it but the friendship had already been ruined by their ignoring her repeated requests for years. Kitty: I think you said it just fine!
@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
28 Nov 07
Unfortunately loaning money to friends is a big risk. I learned that as well. I have come to this realization. I wouldn't consider it a loan anymore. Just leave it as a gift. If she pays you back she pays you back. If not, then you have received something from her. It isn't your money but it is a lesson. Going to court will cost you much more aggravation, money and time. There is no reason for that. Lesson learned, just be a little more cautious in the future regarding this type of situation. I have loaned money to people before and never received it back. Yes, it irritates me and makes me mad, but really...what can I do? I can't force them to pay it. If you feel this person used you, just let the friendship go. No sense in having such negativity in your life. Your loan is a small price to pay for your peace of mind. At least you know where this person stands and you can move forward now. I hope this helps!
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
28 Nov 07
Your response was great. I totally agree with you and am almost certain the money is gone. This friend was desperate, according to the story she told me, and was about to be tossed out of her apartment. I did what I thought was the right thing to do. In the longrun, it was not. Thanks for your comforting advice.
@violeta_va (4831)
• Australia
28 Nov 07
I have done the same only it wasnt a huge amount ($600) and it was to my then boyfriend (now happy to say ex boyfriend) I never saw a single $ but I let it go as I didnt want to deal with him. Mixing money and friendship is never a good idea. Money will come between the friends and many times money will win. You dont want to loose both of them your money and your friend but you also cant choose one over the other. Tell this person that you desperatly need some money and if they can pay you back so you dont have to borow from someone else. Insist that they do. Its better you lie than never see any money at all or your friend.
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
28 Nov 07
Actually I could use the money since I haven't been working at all for almost 3 months. Could spend on our kids or grandkids. The only problem is this: she knows what my husband does for a living and assumes we are doing well. The money I loaned her was what I earned. Her standard answer is, "she needs to pay me." That doesn't get it paid! I'm extremely disappointed. Thanks for your response.
• Australia
28 Nov 07
well when she sais she need to pay you dont live it at that ask her when as you really do need the money.
• United States
29 Nov 07
Hi, I see commercials for The 700 Club on TV, and the pastor, Roberts I think is his name says, "If you see someone in need, don't loan them the money, give them the money". This sticks with me, especially with friends or family. I know you "loaned" this money to your friend, and obviously she/he is not able to pay you back, making bad choices in life, and I'm sure feels somewhat embarassed at the fact that they can't pay you back. If the money means that much to you, which I can understand you may not be in the position to just give it away, then keep on them. All you can really do there is have some patience, some hope, some faith that it will come back to you. Otherwise, accept that they wont or aren't going to pay you back and live and learn so to speak. If they don't realize that not paying you back is going to possibly sever the relationship, then you really don't mean that much to them. You now know that its a pretty good idea to keep friendship and money seperate. I truly hope that they will be able to pay you, and soon. Money and friendship don't mix too well. Best of luck! Bay Lay Gray xx
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
29 Nov 07
The point is just as you mentioned, don't think I mean that much to her if she has no interest in paying back the loan. I can't justify "giving" her the money when she spends what she earns in a stupid manner. Thanks for your response.
• United States
29 Nov 07
Yeah, I hate that this person is doing you this way. You were being a really good person, forget the friend part right now, by loaning them the money! Me and my close friends just don't do this, its never been discussed and none of us have ever asked one another. I mean other than $5 or $10 dollars or something like that. No large amounts. I can only imagine how frustrating this is for you, I feel badly for you. Thanks. Bay xx
• Philippines
28 Nov 07
Lending money to a friend or a relative sometimes become a 'Goodbye' if it is not dealt with appropriately. By this, I mean, it would have been better if you were able to have your friend sign a contract stating the amount that is borrowed, the duration, and the expected date of return. Your friend should have been grateful that you didn't put an interest to the original amount. The fact that the money you lent is something that you have worked hard for is what should be stressed. I don't like it when friends take advantage of you that way, after reading your discussion, I sent a reminder to one of my friends who owed me, they just don't know that we would also be needing the money! God bless and good luck!
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
28 Nov 07
Thanks so much for your nice response. You are right, I should have had her sign something but a verbal agreement was enough for me since we've been friends for a long time. What also bothers me is I am certain she's been dishonest with me about repaying the loan. She doesn't have the money, well geeeeze I wouldn't either if I hung out at a casino or ate dinner out every night. Her priorities are all messed up, that's my only gripe.
• Philippines
29 Nov 07
Hi carolbee! Don't worry, like they say, if you are doing the right thing and it is not you who is causing/giving others the problem then the truth will prevail if someone was dishonest to you. It may hurt to find out the reality but for sure, you will be rewarded positively for trying to do something good! Stay positive!
@raghav2 (45)
• India
29 Nov 07
HELLO ! I hope god nobody should get this kind of situation. My suggestion if u think friendship is important then just leave that money as a gift and just want when she gives 2)if u think u have no money verry urgent.then ask her politely and say to her ur problems.if she answers in u polite way just give her little more time.but if she acts rude .just go to court REMEMBER A DEAL IS A DEAL A BUSINESS A BUSMESS MONEY IS A MONEY MONEY AND FRIENDSHIP ARE DIFFERENT. I THINK U GIVE HER TIME AND TELL UR PERSONAL PROBLEMS AND DECIDE WHEATHER TO TAKE ACTIONS goodluck !
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
30 Nov 07
I'm real sorry I ever helped her. Thought I was doing a good deed. Thanks for responding.
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
28 Nov 07
Well, it just shows you the best way to loose a friendship is to lend money to a friend. If taking the person to court is not an option and if you don't want to sever the friendship you need to write the debt off and chalk it up to experience. You have tried reminders and it did not help.
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
28 Nov 07
And you are right. Thought we finally had an agreement she would pay me each payday but that never materialized. Thanks for responding.
@lucky_witch (2707)
• Philippines
29 Nov 07
Well, I wonder how much that he owe you. Its because filing a case is expensive too. I believe that you should first send him demand letter. After that, and still nothing happens... then if you think that the amount is big, then that would be the time that you could file a case.
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
30 Nov 07
I'd prefer not to take the situation to court but try talking with her again. She gave me a small amount over 2 months ago. Thanks for responding.
@aramark (15)
• China
29 Nov 07
I think maybe there is really difuculty for your old friend. At fist, don't think about everyting in bad opinion, because the things will not be changed when you was angry and censured your friend for his selfishners. so be happy and wait, I think the things will be better.
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
29 Nov 07
Sometimes it's hard to be patient and wait since the loan originally happened almost 3 years ago. Thanks for your response.
• India
28 Nov 07
again ask him and then do as gandhi has taught
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
28 Nov 07
Thank you for the response. I plan to ask once more.
@lostdoor (26)
• China
29 Nov 07
If this is the first time he dont pay money back, I think i will forgive him, but if he want to borrow somemore i will refuse that and warning the fact what he is not reliable. If he cannt accept this result, i will kick him away out of my life, because real friend should know how important trustment mean to each other.
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
29 Nov 07
I loaned this friend money twice within a very short amount of time with the promise it would be paid back within 30 days. It didn't happen. Thanks for your response.
• Sweden
29 Nov 07
ya i understand...but have u ever tried to ask your friend what is the reason behind he is not paying you the rest of the money that is yours...may be he/she is in trouble, if that person doesn't want to pay you ,he/she will defenitely noe pay you that three small amounts too..so my advice is to save your 20plus friendship please contact and try to know the reason behind..gud luck
@carolbee (16230)
• United States
29 Nov 07
The friend claims there are other expenses to take care of and then she will begin payments to me. That's fine and I am more than willing to wait but it's been almost 3 years now and very little effort on her part has been made to take care of the commitment she initially made to me. Thanks for your response.