On the matter of sleeping...

@dodoguy (1292)
Australia
February 21, 2008 11:21pm CST
Hello fellow multi-centarians, Here's a hard question to answer (well for me, anyway). Why do we need to sleep? Let's be honest with ourselves here, whatever "sleep" is, it does seem to be a hard physiological requirement that our conscious mind "shuts down" and goes someplace else every now and then. Just try to NOT sleep and see what happens! But why? Seriously. OK, we all know that we Do need to sleep, and apparently most animals are the same. And it seems to be linked to the daily rotation of the Earth, that is, as the Sun rises and sets each day, most people seem to wake up and go to sleep again at around the same time on a cyclic basis. But why? If our bodies need to "regenerate" or something, why do we have to be rendered unconscious during that time? If Barney Rubble and Betty became physiologically attuned to the Solar Cycle to maximize their bodily performance during daylight hours when they could see, and so improve their survivability, then that might help to explain why we've also inherited the trait. But why sleep? Is it related to ineffective operation and cleansing of our systems at the cellular level - does that necessitate disconnecting our conscios faculties for a period of time every dozen or so hours? If so, would better nutrition mitigate the need? Or is there something else going on here? Why - really - are we (seemingly) physiologically incapable of continuing to function without occasionally being rendered unconscious? I'd love to know the reasons, if any are known, because it would be wonderful to be able to do what I need to do 24 hours a day without pause. Do any of you have effective strategies (aside from mega-doses of coffee) for limiting your need to sleep?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Feb 08
I've never had a real sleep cycle or schedule. I've been up for as long as 100 hours at a time a few times. There was a time in my life I could go 70 hours with with only 5 or 6 hours sleep and then do another 70 or so. With my lifestyle, I thought I was one of the lucky ones. I was a U.S. Paratrooper, and a paramedic with search and rescue training in the Grand Teton Mountains. I've also done a lot of disaster recovery work. It worked out well for me, for about 30 years. Now I am disabled. Much of my disability is the result of burnout. Very little is wrong with me physically, but now I pass out for no apparent reason at random times. I've lived with constant dizziness for about 5 years now. Usually it's barely noticable, but there are times when I'm so dizzy I can't walk across the room. I have no idea why we need sleep, but then again, neither do any the sleep specialists I've worked with the last few years. All we know is, sleep is just as important to our health and well being as food and water.
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
22 Feb 08
Hi ParaTed2k, Thanks for sharing your experience here. Your case is a real eye-opener, and has definitely got my attention. I've read about (and seen occasional TV documentaries on) people who didn't need to sleep - there was one guy who went his whole life without sleep, and would stay up all night reading and pottering about while the rest of his family slept. But while that was interesting, all it did was suggest that there's something more to sleep than "everybody needs it". Those cases don't really clarify why most people will eventually fall unconscious involuntarily if they're not permitted to fall asleep according to their body's normal cycles. I'm very curios as to what might have been (or still is) different about you - your family, their lifestyle, your environment, or whatever else might be relevant. Anyway, please don't regard this as an inquisition. I think it might be very enlightening to understand if there's anything about the way you or your parents lived, or where you lived, that made it easier to go without sleep for days on end while still being quite functional. Would the military training have had anything to do with it? I'm sorry to know that your health has deteriorated now. Have you consulted with a competent herbalist at all? I'm thinking that, where dizziness is involved, blood supply to the brain might be an issue. Ceyenne Pepper, Gotu Kola, Ginko Biloba, Eyebright, Ginger and Garlic are each excellent catalysts for improving blood flow to the extremities, including the fingers, toes, eyes and brain stem. It might have nothing to do with any of that, but it's just a thought. Anyway, I hope your health picks up one way or another. Thanks again for your excellent contribution.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Feb 08
Thanks. I doubt there is anything in my family life growing up that led to it. It started around age 12. My family was very typical middle class, two parents, 4 kids and a dog type thing. When I was young, my parents put us to bed the same time every weekday and woke us up the same time. I don't remember laying in bed all night when I was under 12, but at 12 I got my own bedroom. I remember making up games to play all night because I couldn't sleep. That, or I'd read all night long. As for my health now, I've tried medical, chiropractic, nutrition, detoxification, and a few other alternative health programs. All of them helped me feel better in different ways, but none of them helped with the basic problems. If I could find a scientific study to volunteer for, I think I would make a great test case. ;~D
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi ParaTed2k, If you do volunteer for a test program, make sure the pay you!
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@catjane (1036)
• United States
22 Feb 08
A doctor once told me that if you didn't sleep for two weeks, your knees would fall off! I rest my case.
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi catjane,Thanks for this insight. Now I know that if my knees start feeling a bit shaky, it's time to get to bed real quick!
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@subha12 (18441)
• India
23 Feb 08
I think sleep is needed very much as our body works throgh a cycle. Like our job, we leave after say 8-10 hours. if we are told to work 24 hours, can we work in very productive way? I guess No. In similar way, sleep is needed to give the total system some rest so that it can regenerate energy.
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi subha12, It's true that we mostly can't keep going without at least some sleep during each day. And it gets harder to put off, the longer that it's delayed. But as to why it should be so, it seems that all we know is that we're "tired" - even if we haven't exerted ourselves physically in any way. So that might suggest that whatever energy is being regenerated isn't physical (?).
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
23 Feb 08
A very Astute Question! We do not need to sleep, but our Higher-Self (soul) needs to get away from the Physical body to rejuvenate. Contrary to popular belief the physical body does not contain the Soul. The Soul contains the physical, and is confined to this third dimension as long as the physical is conscious. Sleep is simply a release for the soul so it can do other things in other dimensions. Notice how Baby's sleep most of the time. In this case the soul has entered the physical once again, as the baby is beginning a new lifetime on earth. Its a very confining environment, and the soul takes time to get adjusted to the slow heavy physical life. As a human evolves he needs less sleep (the soul can stay longer in the physical) Albert Einstein never slept. He took short naps at his workplace and when he awoke his mind was filled with new ideas. Einstein was an Evolved Being in constant contact with his soul, which explains his Genius.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi barehugs, Thanks for this most intriguing commentary. You seem to have some real insight into these things. I'm personally inclined to concur with the idea that the soul is rather more fluid and unfettered than our physical embodiments, and does occasionally seem to go "somewhere" which is not the same as our waking material realm. I've had a few experiences which support such notions (some more scary than others). It sounds to me that your outlook might be aligned to the idea of "reincarnation", though that's not necessary to permit the validity of the general thrust of what you've suggested here.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
23 Feb 08
I forgot to include a reference to my personal belief in Reincarnation, and also to an Enlightening Trilogy. "Conversations with God," by Neale Donald Walsch.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
1 Mar 08
I'll stand by my explanation! Please read the Trilogy I recommended above!
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@vicky30 (4766)
• India
22 Feb 08
I think sleep is required to refresh the brain and the body.Sleep removes all the tension and stress we face during the day.It also gives relief from pain to a worn out body.I think from the twenty four hours.Sleep is recommended for six to eight hours.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi vicky30, I agree it certainly seems to be refreshing something - otherwise our body or brain or something just shuts down if we don't get enough of it. And 6 to 8 hours does seem to be "normal". It still puzzles me exactly what it all is - there doesn't seem to be much clarity on the subject, from anyone anywhere (and if anyone does have the inside guff, they're apparently not telling).
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@Gesusdid (1676)
• United States
22 Feb 08
i thought you needed sleep for energy, to be restored again the next day, i know without sleep, your a zombie draging your body just waiting for your body to rest , , but you probaly mean the purpose of sleep period why does it have to be in a restful state ? nice question ..ummm i think it would be that the body can only be restored during rest without any movement , like when you eat you putting energy in the fork or spoon to scoop up the food and eat , and when you finish eating your body is at a slight pause and rest .... limiting sleep for me , my solution is music , something that gets me amped up or regular Moca Caffeen ..to make my eyes bulgde out lol either those two or i just stretch
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi Gesusdid, Be careful with the coffee - make sure there's enough donuts to absorb it all!
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• United States
22 Feb 08
Is it to refresh the body? Not really. Researchers have yet to find any vital biological function that sleep restores. As far as anyone can tell, muscles don't need sleep, just intermittent periods of relaxation. The rest of the body chugs along seemingly unaware of whether the brain is asleep or awake. Is it to refresh the mind? That's closer to the mark. The brain benefits from a good night's sleep. But there is no agreement among sleep researchers about what form that benefit takes. One theory is that sleep allows the brain to review and consolidate all the streams of information it gathered while awake. Another suggests that we sleep in order to allow the brain to stock up on fuel and flush out wastes. A third, which has been gaining currency, is that sleep operates in some mysterious way to help you master various skills, such as how to play the piano and ride a bike.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi copperkitten, Thanks for providing this info. The theory about boning up on skills is interesting - a bit tenuous, because I would think that I can still ride my bike even if I don't dream - but I Do dream, nonetheless.... I like the sound of the "brain refueling" thing, because it does seem that the brain eventually just shuts down if we don't get enough sleep.
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• Argentina
22 Feb 08
Well it's a tough question and i probably can't answer as to why our body needs to be resting in order to regenerate our cells and have more energy for the day. Personally i think it's a waste of time but on the other hand as soon as i try to sleep less time than i usually do or skip sleep i'll start getting tired easily and my performance on whatever i try to do decreases!I'll often think 'i'll go to sleep later tonight' when i skip sleep and a few hours later my body just tells me to go to sleep and i give up! I read of an artist that was able to sleep about 4 hours everyday, i think it was leonardo, and he said that with effective strategies as sleeping a little bit after a few hours instead of just sleeping many hours on end we don't need to sleep as much as in the long run we'll have more time to do things...i found this to be interesting because when i think about it it's 4 more hours that i can be active and if you multiply that for however many days you expect to live it can add up, but on the other hand i did not have as much success in practice as he did :)
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi balalaika, I agree, it does seem to be such a waste of time when there's so many things that need to be done. Almost like a tyranny of sorts.
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@olivemai (4738)
• United States
29 Feb 08
There have been many studies done and I believe one of the main reasons we need sleep is to dream! The study involved waking people up every time they started to dream, and it made them sick and mentally unbalanced!
• United States
19 Apr 08
My understanding of the sleep cycle is this: The more in harmony you are with the essence of your being the less you need to sleep. In fact I've heard that in a state where the physical and non-physical aspects of an individual are in perfect harmony with no resistance of any kind present blocking the 'god flow' then sleep is not required at all. I like to use my dreams to help me know if I'm going to like where I'm going once I get there. If my dreams tell me to turn around and go the other direction then I do. There are times that I sleep very little because I'm too interested in whatever I'm involved in, but there are other times, like through the winter, when I sleep long hours, and only stay awake as little as I can get away with. So I would say that an effective strategy for me would be to be intensely interested in my life. And I would sleep whenever I felt the need to sleep without feeling like I was wasting my life. Sleeping is fun too. I love my cozy bed and my fluffy pillows. I love stretching out or curling up and just letting my mind drift, and taking a vacation the land of dreams. I've had adventures there that I will never forget, and that have changed my life.
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• Romania
22 Feb 08
I think we need to sleep for the refreshing of the brain and spirit.Of course, we may be trained for not sleeping a period of time, but after that , the spirit and our energetic fields, who are arround our material body needs to refresh, to get more energy for our functioning in the next ours.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi daniraius, IMO you're the first respondent to bring up the non-physical aspects of this subject. I think you might be onto something here. At least, the idea that the needs of something beyond just the physical body are served by sleeping would go a long way to resolving why so much research on the matter seems to keep drawing blanks, or going around in circles.
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