What does Obama bring to the table? Nothing!!

@rodney850 (2145)
United States
March 5, 2008 12:36pm CST
Tell me Obama followers; just what is it that qualifies this man from Illinois to become our next president? Oh he can talk a good game but speech making is not a necessary qualification. The buzz around the country is not on this mans qualifications but about him being the first African-American president! Again I ask, is that any qualification to become president? Here is a Senator who has not effectively served a complete year at his elected post. Here is a Senator that chairs one commitee he has NEVER met with! Come on! Wake up America!
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• United States
6 Mar 08
hey all~ okay...trusting that this can stay civil i will chime in.... i believe that Obama brings a lot to the table. but i must talk about a few other things first. we all know the records of the 'other' candidates running for office....and what some consider qualifications others considers draw backs. so i won't 'attack' the others that i consider unqualified per se (at least i won't use the names) i believe that Obama being so fresh is a huge qualification. we have all seen how that as a senator or rep. is on the hill for long....that they tend to (not always) become stagnant and indoctrinated into petty partisan differences (not talking big stuff, like let's say business tax breaks, but small stuff like how to combat illegal immigrants) so i think that with his freshness, we have a better chance at a unified operation from D.C. (and it would follow, in theory, that more would be accomplished) 2. i think that BY his speeches, and enthusiasm we have seen that he CAN in fact get the peopls attention. this would mean that we would have a president who people actually 'want' to listen to....and let's face it...a lot of people tune out our leaders. 3. IF memory serves me right (which i must admit is not always :P) his record in the illinois state senate speaks to his abilities in office. 4. he has in the past, defied his party leadership and called them to task on things (for example: calling them to task on a tendency to alienate religious people and groups, and on ethics reform) this shows us that he probably wouldn't be a puppet 5. i also know that, according to his website, he will not accept 'special interest' donations from lobbyist or political action committees....this shows us a level of honesty that some of our leaders lack. so there...i gave 5 reasons why i believe that he is qualified and brings some real tangible things to the table. ~j
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• United States
7 Mar 08
hi there~ well i'll be totally civil....i will admit you DO have some good contentions....but i can't say i agree w/ all your points (and u dont seem to want to even give one of my points any creedence) but hey this is America, and to each our very own right! it will be interesting, regardless, to see how this pans out come november! ~j
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Heres five from the other side(and I don't mean Hillary) 1. He has absolutely no administrative leadership experience! 2. He has not even attended a meeting of a commitee he chairs in the Senate?!! 3. His (and Hillary's) proposals for "change" if enacted will totally bankrupt this country's government and her taxpayers! 4. He (and Hillary) sidesteps questions he would have to give a definite answer to. 5. Even Hillary being in the Whitehouse 8 years with her husband as president has more forgien policy experience than Obama! I'm telling you, Obama is like a 12 year old kid proclaiming to his buddies that he can and does drive the family car. When he finaly gets behind the wheel he won't even know how to start the blessed thing!
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Oh and #6 which is a direct answer to your # 5, Can you say Tony Rezko?
@rinaaus (1201)
• Australia
6 Mar 08
whatever you said Obama still the best compare to the rest. He is more honest than the rest!
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Adn you base his honesty on what, Tony Rezko?
@soccermom (3198)
• United States
5 Mar 08
Okay Rodney, here I am to answer your question!! It's not how long Obama has been in the Senate, it is what he has done in so little time that tells me he is presidential material. Being a woman in Illinois, I really had issues deciding who to vote for, and let me just be clear before I begin this that I did all of my research independently, with no bias to begin with. Please bear with me because this is going to be lengthy... I'm also assuming that you're looking at Obama's record vs. Clinton's. Honestly, there isn't all that much difference between them. Obama and Clinton care alot about the same issues, and have frequently worked together on legislature, despite what her campaign would like to imply. She is a frequent co sponser on his bills, and he on hers. But this is supposed to be about Obama's accomplishments, so here goes..(in no particular order, just off the top of my head) April 2007- introduced the "Stop Fraud Act" that would stop mortgage transactions which operate to promote fraud, risk, abuse, and under-development, and for other purposes. Co sponsored by Richard Durbin. (Clintons bill is calling for enhanced disclosures, S.2114, and is even said by collegues not to be as tough or address the issue as directly as Obama's does, she can't get a co sponsor for it..but again this isn't supposed to be about her.) He has also proposed these bills..S.J.RES.23: A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law. (No more excuses for Congress to say they are not clear what they are voting for!!) S.2030: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists; and S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged. S.453: A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections S.1977: A bill to provide for sustained United States leadership in a cooperative global effort to prevent nuclear terrorism, reduce global nuclear arsenals, stop the spread of nuclear weapons and related material and technology, and support the responsible and peaceful use of nuclear technology. S.1084: A bill to provide housing assistance for very low-income veterans. And these are just a few that he has proposed...there are many he was a sponsor or a co sponsor of that were successes! Just for giggles here is a list... S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests. S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting. S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder. S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged. S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers. S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy. S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering. S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness. S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs. S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability. S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty. S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability. S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan. S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability. S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability. S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability. S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability. Senate Resolutions Passed: S.RES.133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson. S.RES.268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day". He must be doing something right. Let's take time into consideration here and put it this way..Clinton has sponsored 354 bills since Jan. 2001 out of which 307 didn't even make it out of committee. Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan 2005 out of which 120 didn't make it out of committee. This is average for both of them relative to their peers. Comparison of bills shows that Clinton and McCain both tend to propose "safe" bills that do not upset special interest groups where as Obama introduces bills with no regard for what the special interests think. Obama has a better record of getting his initiatives passed (when looking at the whole picture), has more bipartisan support in the Congress which leads to bigger majority votes in Congress making his agenda easier to pass. Let's be honest, nothing that happens in Congress is done easily. I think Obama would be a great leader. I have seen the progress his change has helped bring to Illinois. I just hope he doesn't have to resort to stooping to Clinton tactics of Campaigning to get there. As far as Senate records go, every one of the presidential candidates have missed quite a bit of Senate time since the campaigns started. I think I've said enough, go to GovTrack.us for more information on all the candidates. They are a lot more reliable than CNN or MSNBC.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Mar 08
This is just exactly what I'm talking about! He11 anyone can introduce bills to the floor of the Senate!(Senators that is) All this proves is he is a good little democrat that can sit around and contrive new ways to separate the American worker from their hard earned money and make the think he is doing them a favor!! This man is dangerous, period! If he gets the nomination and is elected president it will not be on his record or how good of a president he will be or even that he is a good orator. He will be elected because he is black and that is a crying shame! Just because it will "make history" is no reason to jepoardize the welfare of the nation! On another note; did you ever stop to consider why Mr. Obama introduced and participated in so many legilative actions in his firs 6 months in office? Couldn't be he and his political machine were manufacturing a dossier could it?
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
6 Mar 08
OK, let me clarify for you, if you look objectively at his record in the same amount of time Clinton has introduced MORE bills than Obama, without bi partisan support,and last year NOT ONE passed. Obama at least managed to get a bill passed, and on healthcare none the less. So does all this porove that Clinton "is a good little democrat that can sit around and contrive new ways to separate the American worker from their hard earned money and make them think(she) is doing them a favor!"? Part of the point I am trying to make also includes this..Hillary owes an awful lot of special interests favors becasue of her use of PAC money. Obama isn't innocent in this either, but at least in 2005 he saw the system was failing and quit using PAC money. It's all about judgement, and hers is lacking. I have to tell you I am really offended by the remark that he would ony be elected becasue he is black. Does this mean Hillary would only be electe becasue she is a woman? Or McCain becasue he is a senior citizen and a war veteran? Nothing is more dangerous than a Senator who can sign off on a bill entitled "Authorization To Use Military Force in Iraq" and then claim she wasn't clear on what she was reading, or was "misled". Seriously, my 12 year old knows what the title implies.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Look, read some of the other posts here I believe there a couple from volunteers at polling places and the resounding reply to the question of "why Obama" was "because this is making history". I'm sorry if the black statement offended you. There was no racial slur intended it is just the truth as I see it. And believe me when I tell you that I don't for a moment believe Hillary Clinton is what this nation needs either. The truth is; I believe if there was a "none of the above" box on this years ballot, it would win hands down! Also, for Barak Obama to state, AFTER the fact, that he would not have voted for the resolution is totally ludicrous! No one can say what they would have done in a particular situation unless you ARE in that situation! Now if he wanted to say, "I would like to believe I would have voted against" that would be a credible statement! Again I DO NOT SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON!!! I live in Arkansas, I never once voted for her husband for governor OR president and wouldn't have for dog catcher if he had run! BOTH he and Hillary were wrapped up in some real shady doings while he was president(and I don't mean Monica) so another Clinton in the Whitehouse, perish the thought!
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• United States
5 Mar 08
100% agree. i was bipartisan as a volunteer at last nights caucus and I talked to many people. I asked a few Obama supporters why do you support Obama...the answer..because this is history. you know what...i dont want to elect a president because it makes history. guess what every new president is making history. i select my candidate based on qualifications and ability to effectively lead my country in a forward direction. I know what Hillary will do on day one. Obama himself said that on day one he will sit at the desk in the oval office and say "this is cool". is this what you want your president to do on day one??? I could not believe how many people were at my caucus who had absolutely no idea what this man's policies actually were. I have asked several people on different mylot discussions the same question...and guess what...they havent responded.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Well, given the choices which are limited...he is as qualified easily as Hilary Clinton who would be the first woman president. I am not hearing alot of talk about him being afro-american at all. I am trying to hear what he can do for the country. To be honest, The candidate that I would have voted for, dropped out. McCain, Hillary, Obama were not on my list of choices but that's what we have. I like Obama's thoughts more than hilary's and mccains.
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@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
5 Mar 08
Honestly I'm not sure what either of them bring to the table. I'm not a McCain fan but looking at both of the Democrats, neither of them has really done much.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
5 Mar 08
All of you are right, neither democrat brings much to the table in experience or credibility. John McCain isn't the poster child for the normal conservative either but he has to be my choice this time.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
29 Jul 08
This is a question that still has not been answered to this day. Obama can only talk a good game if David Axelrod writes them for him. If he decides to free style it either turn into a gaffe or into a never end run of ums. For such a great communicater he cannot speak. I have heard second grader deliever a speach better than Obama. Real and truly his speaking skills are the most overrated thing about Obama. About Obama becoming the first African-American president, why would that be the reason to vote for someone. If I was to say that the only reason I am not voting for Obama is because he is black I am a racist, but there are people out there that will vote for Obama just because he is black, why is that not racism. So what he is a Senator, that is no big deal there are 99 other Senators.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
29 Jul 08
What you say about Axlerod is so true! I believe Obama is in a real tight political position. If he doesn't accept McCain's challenge to debate in a town hall format he looks like he has something to hide and if he does he will be showing what he was trying to hide and that is illiteracy!
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• United States
6 Mar 08
I say this not as an Obama supporter, but as an American. The Constitution qualifies a person to be able to run for public office, any public office. Not some person with steam coming out of his ears tapping angrily away on his keyboard to defame people on Mylot. If anyone's qualifications should be questioned, it would be McCain's who wasn't born in America but on a Navy base in Panama.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Ok Mr Ignorance. McCain was BORN IN AMERICA. That Naval base was American soil. Panama was a territory under US jurisdiction. McCain's parents were BOTH American Citizens. His father served this country and so did he. Obama's father wasn't even American and he grew up outside of this country and yet you have the audacity to question McCain's citizenship. I'm not saying Obama shouldn't run, that's anyone's right. I'm just sick of people like you trying to use asinine smear tactics to make McCain look bad. If you don't like him, attack him on the issues like an educated person.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Why? The same constitution you quote states anyone born to American citizens serving their country as military or civilian workers overseas or in other countries are citizens.
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• United States
6 Mar 08
It appears as though I'm not the only one ignorant with information. Obama's father wasn't American, that's true, but his mother was. As far as growing up, he spent four years in Indonesia from when he was 6 until he was 10 years old. After that he was raised by his mothers grand parents in Hawaii, where he was born. Now that we have the dispensed with the cosmetic b.s., may we have an intelligent discussion, please?
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
5 Mar 08
I've been wondering myself what all the hoopla over Obamis about. I think last night's primaries proved that people are beginning to get past the hype of Obama's charisma to realize that the office of president requires experience and wisdom which he cannot bring to the table.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Mar 08
I really think people are swept up in him being young, black, and new. Most voters are ignorant and don't know anything about the candidates they vote for. They see his face all over the place and assume he's great. They somehow blame Hillary for Bill Clinton's adultery (I still don't get that one). Either way I see nothing about him that qualifies him as a president. He has almost no political experience and has never served our country. Now people compare him to JFK just because of his age. JFK was a patriot who served our country and worked hard to earn his presidency. Obama's just riding high thanks to the media.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
6 Mar 08
I think you are way wrong in saying that "most voters are ignorant and dont know anything about t he candidates." You sound pretty darn judgemental to me. Of course some people fit your descriprion but I t hink most people are more intelligent than what you describe and they go out and vote for who they truly feel qualifiys. I think you you have actually put almost no thought into your opinion.
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@dtroas (479)
• United States
5 Mar 08
and that is a wrap up! thanks taskr36
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Of course it's judgmental, I made a judgment. You are free to think that most people are more intelligent than what I describe. The fact is I put plenty of thought into my opinion. I've spent the last five years working in libraries where voting takes place. I can assure you, I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. During the primaries in Jan/Feb a guy actually came up to the reference desk and asked me Patron: "Is Hillary Clinton a Republican?" Me: "No, she's a Democrat" Patron: "What about Obama?" Me: "He's a Democrat too" Patron: "Ok, but Republicans are the ones we want to get out of the White House right?" The answer to his last question was that we (the library) can't give any political opinions are advise people who they should vote for. This is not the only person who has asked me questions like this. Have you worked at a polling location? Have you personally observed and answered questions for voters the way I have? My experience has shown me that well educated voters are certainly in the minority.
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• United States
10 Mar 08
My head is spinning here. Wow, there have been some very good comments and some idiotic BS, but I feel everyone should be able to have their own opinion. My concern here is I keep hearing experience, and when you get right down to the bare bones, the only way any of these candidates will get experience is to win and get into the White House. Do any of you think any experience George Bush had prepared him for 9/11, no, but he was president and had to make decisions, right or wrong, and deal with what he did afterwards. Then because people began to disagree with those fly by the pants decisions, that no one else would have been any more qualified to make, now he gets criticized, which I personally feel is so unfair, who else could have known exactly what to do under the circumstances he had to deal with. This country had never been under terrorist attack before, not like he had to deal with. So everyone has seen what Bush has had to endure, so what happens now if Obama or Hillary get in office, and a month later we are attacked again, how will they respond knowing what Bush has had to put up with, are they gonna ignore the terrorist and say now children don't do that! We need to play pretty, or I will take my toys and go home, PLULEESEEEEE! No one knows how any candidate will react to any situation until they are actually put to the task. I can promise you the sun will shine all year long, but does that make what I say the gospel truth. The candidates tell us what they think we want to hear, and then do what they want to when they get into office. It has always been that way and until we stand up and say No More! It will continue. I think every promise a candidate makes should be put into a contract, and before that candidate is put into office they should have to sign that contract with the American people, then when they don't do what they promise, we as the board of directors in this big company should be able to hold them responsible, wheither it be they are put out of office or fined, they should have accountability to the citizens they make all these promises to.If this was put into place the candidates would stop and think before they decide to give us lip service, and we might be able to actually believe some of the promises being made. Don't you agree this makes sense? America has to have change, things cannot go on as they are, we are in big trouble financially, with other countries, and morally, yes it is time for change, but it will not come from these candidates, it must come from We The People.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
14 Mar 08
Very well said Olive. AS much as I don't like Bush, I didn't like him before 9/11, and you're right, nobody knows what it is like to make the decisions he has had to unless they are in his position. I'm sure he thought he was doing what was right. You also make a good point about We The People. It seems to me that American citizens are always willing to complain, but not so willing to do anything about it.
@dtroas (479)
• United States
5 Mar 08
Agree with you on that Rodney850, But yet I am still waiting to see what Obama supporters have to say. And I am hearing Nothing.
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• United States
6 Mar 08
I personally do not think that Obama or HIllary have anything to bring to the table. When asked questions they gracefully avoid the question and make fluffy long speeches about nothing. How do either of them plan to do anything in this country? Nobody knows. Because neither of them ever answer questions.
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• United States
6 Mar 08
Let me just begin by saying that neither Obama nor Hillary would have been my choice. I do believe that experience does count especially due to the mess that the present administration has made regarding our relationship with the rest of the world. JFK's inexperience almost got us into a nuclear war with Russia and in that case he had more world, and political experience than either candidate. There is something to be said for being able to inspire people however I do think that if Obama was elected that the expectations for what he would accomplish are so high, that just like when the democrats took over Congress in November people will be disappointed that he will not be able to accomplish all the things they expected him too. On healthcare for all Americans I don't think anyone can take away Hillary's dedication to that issue since she has made it a priority since 1992. We can go on and on issue by issue and in the end most people are going to vote for who they are most comfortable with or just because they are sick of this administration and do want a change no matter who it is.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Mar 08
Doris, Being passionate about something and fiscally responsible about it are two very different things. What gets me about both of these candidates is all of the promises and proposals thrown out there for the voters to digest without one iota of consideration of just who is going to pay for all this! The democrats are always the first to ask republicans who want to give tax cuts to the people "whos going to pay for these cuts" Well I've got news for them you pay for programs not tax cuts. The programs of either of these candidates, if passed, will make the economy of today seem like a boom by comparison. Can you say 6 bucks a gallon? How about 10?
• United States
6 Mar 08
I don't disagree with you that being fiscally responsible is important. Which candidate will that be and based on the last 8 years we cant even count on the republicans for that. What are we left with?
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
6 Mar 08
i know what you are saying but seriously...our choices are pretty limited here.....think about it. Is Hilary really a good candigate? I was all for John edwards and now...I'm really not sure. To be honest I don't like any of the candidates.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
10 Mar 08
Yes, you are right, our choices are limited! I also know we need a change as a nation but the change these two propose will go in the opposite direction of where we need to go both economically and socially! I believe a great number of democrats will do something that they often can't stomach and that is to vote for John McCain, a moderate republican.