Can Republicans attack the children of Biden and Obama now?

@Taskr36 (13925)
United States
September 15, 2008 11:24am CST
READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE RESPONDING Let me start by saying that I think everyone needs to leave the kids alone. The candidates wives have chosen to make speeches and campaign for their husbands so obviously, statements they make can be used against them. The kids have not made any speeches and what they do in their personal lives is really none of our business. That said, all over mylot I see the majority of liberals constantly attacking Sarah Palin over her pregnant daughter and her son with Down Syndrome. Over and over again it keeps getting brought up. They say it's her fault since she announced her daughter's pregnancy. They say they can attack her over her son with down syndrome because at the RNC she said parents with special needs will have a friend and advocate in the white house. They've even said that her entirely family is fair game because they were on stage with her at the RNC. So if those things make her children fair game for the liberals on mylot to attack. Do these remarks by Biden mean that we can attack his and Obama's children? If not, what excuses such hypocrisy? "Biden also went beyond simply promoting his campaign's proposals for the middle class, highlighting the "chemistry" on the Democratic ticket. Not just between himself and Obama, but between the Obama daughters and Biden's granddaugthers who – as Biden tells it – had a sleepover during the convention and became fast friends. "I believe that's a metaphor, a metaphor for what the country is looking for," said Biden. "They're looking for a sleepover with people they like." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/14/biden-mccain-is-dead-wrong/
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@soooobored (1187)
• United States
20 Sep 08
The only justified commentary I've seen on Palin's kids is when she brought her son onstage to elicit votes from parents of kids with special needs. I think that's just tacky, but what kind of comments can be directed toward the child? I think kids should be left out, and I think that should be a pretty blanket rule. I don't mean that you should make an effort to conceal your children (a la Michael Jackson), but the children's issues shouldn't be used as either fuel for or against a campaign.
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
20 Sep 08
SoBored, the problem is that that's a lie. I know you've heard the anti-McCain crowd say it repeatedly, but it's a blatant lie and every one of them knows it. She did not use her child in any way whatsoever. She introduced her children, as EVERY candidate does. Much later, during her speech, she made a statement that to parents of special needs children, they will have a friend and advocate in the White House. She didn't mention her child once during that part of the speech, nor did she ever mention at ANY point in her speech that her son is a special needs child. She has a record for being an advocate for special needs children in Alaska since she was first elected long before her son was born. Funding for special needs education has increased every year that she's been in office. By 2011, funding for children with intensive needs will be tripled due to her work.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
21 Sep 08
This is from the official transcript at www.npr.org. Our family has the same ups and downs as any other — the same challenges and the same joys. Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge. And children with special needs inspire a special love. To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
21 Sep 08
Just to be complete, here is the part that preempted that where she introduced her children. Our son Track is 19. And one week from tomorrow — Sept. 11 — he'll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country. My nephew Kasey also enlisted and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf. My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five children. In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between — my strong and kind-hearted daughters, Bristol, Willow and Piper. And in April, my husband, Todd, and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical. That's how it is with us. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94258995
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
15 Sep 08
Taskr, I'm confused; I honestly don't understand what you're getting at here. First of all, I think you know I agree with you about leaving the kids alone, they don't deserve to be attacked, EVER. You wrote, "That said, all over mylot I see the majority of liberals constantly attacking Sarah Palin over her pregnant daughter and her son with Down Syndrome." Right here in your own comments you say you see...attacking SARAH PALIN over her pregnant daughter and her son with Downs Syndrome. You yourself said they're attacking Palin, not the kids. Fair enough, I'm not going to nit-pick here, but I'd really like to see some examples of these "attacks" regarding her children. Correct me if I'm wrong, Taskr, but it seems to me that if a candidate has held a particular position on an issue or if she herself has brought up a particular issue in the most high profile speech she's ever made, those issues should now be open for discussion, shouldn't they? Please be assured, my next few words aren't intended to be attacks on anyone, much less Sarah's children or anyone's children, but does the fact that the daughter of a Governor who advocates abstinence only education is pregnant mean that topic, which would no doubt have been brought up if Bristol had not become pregnant, is now off limits? Does that fact that she has a special needs child mean that topic can never be mentioned although she herself did say parents of these children would have a friend and advocate in the White House? Seriously, I'm as against the children of politicians being attacked as you are and as far as I'm concerned the kids have no party affiliation. I guess I just need to know what the definition of "attack" is regarding Sarah Palin and her kids. Back to the subject of your post, of course I wouldn't like it if Republicans attacked the children or grandchildren of Biden and Obama but I have a feeling that if there were a similar situation the subject would definitely come up. Annie
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• United States
18 Sep 08
"...I'd really like to see some examples of these "attacks" regarding her children." Thanks for the laugh annie. I didn't have to look far. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1705494.aspx You're welcome.
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
18 Sep 08
Molehill, there was no attack in that post from me, it was a very legitimate question about a paper that's recently been praised by conservatives here and elsewhere. So, you can have your "You're welcome" back because there's not thanks coming from me. Annie
• United States
19 Sep 08
PALIN FAMILY SHOCKERS: WHAT SARAH'S REALLY HIDING! No that doesn't sound like an attack to me...I guess if there were EVEN ONE named source in that article I might agree with you. But I've already covered this anyway.
@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
15 Sep 08
It really is terrible how low these campaigns can go. I definitely think that the children of the candidates should be off limits. As I was preparing my thoughts on replying to your post I was about to say, "both parties" have stooped to this level. But the more I think about it, that's not true. It was the dems that focused on the Bush twins party-girl lifestyle, or at least made it out like that. It is the dems that are focusing on the Palin situation, both with her son and her daughter. I don't recall anyone spending any time discussing or smearing, the children of John Kerry, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, or John Edwards. Didn't Gore's son have some troubles with the law not too long ago? And aren't Kerry's kids trust fund babies? No one had ever exploited them for political gain. At least not that I am aware of.
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
15 Sep 08
Almost everyone has some dirt if you poke into their family history. I already know the dirt on Biden's family, but I would never use it to criticize him as a candidate. I'm glad you realized that I was describing attacks from the left in general and not accusing Obama or Biden of such attacks. Thus far they've both been good about this although one of Obama's finance team felt it necessary to insult Palin saying she was putting her career ahead of the needs of her family.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
15 Sep 08
I think that most Americans are getting very upset over the attacks on the Children. I think it is alright for the Candidates to be seen with their children but the MEdia should stay out of the lives of the children. the only time children should come into play would be if the Candidate were to have the child (older) play an important role in the Campaign or might have a role in the government. I think the Media should lay off the children and spend more time trying to provide facts about the programs and policy of the candidates.
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• United States
16 Sep 08
i dont think it would be fair to bring in the kids no matter what age its between the two parties not the children well in the future the children will be running this country now would it be fair to upset them no but to take aim at a child in any format is wrong so in ending mccain grow up ok
@devylan (695)
• United States
17 Sep 08
Don't you know, Taskr? Anyone with a higher social status than me is fair game! I'm an American, and that's how we do. Lol.
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@newtondak (3950)
• United States
15 Sep 08
I believe it is the best policy to "take the higher road" and I believe that is what the Republicans are doing. Just because the Democratic supporters have chosen to (even though Obama said the kids were off limits) be openly critical of Sarah Palin's children and John McCain's adopted daughter, does not mean that the Republicans are going to lower themselves to do the same. We must note that Obama said that if any of his STAFF were responsible for these actions that they would be fired - he, of course, (conveniently) can't fire his supporters. The relationship between Obama's children and Biden's grandchildren means nothing to me and I don't see that it should mean anything to anyone else. If they saw it as a way to capitalize on these children, then I fell bad for the children.
• United States
15 Sep 08
I feel children should not be brought into politics. This also includes the parents parading their own children around as part of publicity stunts.
@evanslf (485)
15 Sep 08
No children should not be brought into politics. nor should partners unless partners choose to make speeches in which case they take the risk of being under attack. So I'm not interested in what a candidate's child(ren) have or have not done as whatever they might or might not have done is not the fault of the candidate. If the candidate though refers to their children to make some form of political argument, then I think others may respond whilst being careful not to be seen to attack the children, but to confine their points to the candidate.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
15 Sep 08
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by publicity stunts. Many people complained about Sarah Palin mentioning her children at the RNC, but that was no different than the way that every other candidate introduced their children.
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• United States
15 Sep 08
That is not what I mean. Of course the public want to be introduced to the children but IMO then it should end. I mean using them to say how they miss their mummy or daddy while campaigning talking to the parent via TV while the missing parent sits lonely looking in a hotel room to bolster their family man/woman image.
@lizard211 (240)
• United States
15 Sep 08
I wholeheartedly agree that the children (under 18) of all politicians should be left out of the mudslinging crap that goes on in politics. I feel sorry for Palin's daughter and yes, I am an Obama supporter. Now, being the devil's advocate though, I don't think that Democrats or Obama supporters see that they are attacking the children but rather Palin. Palin has used her children to promote her ideas and political career. She has paraded them and I am not talking about the fact that they were on stage (Obama and Biden had their kids on stage). Just because the kids were on stage does not constitute parading. However, I believe Palin has used her kids as examples of her beliefs. This I find abhorrent for a parent to do. In addition, Palin is a social conservative and is for the "family values". Well, she is basically saying, "do what I say, not what I do". Okay, I know - her daughter made her choice so can one really blame Palin? No I don't blame her but then Palin shouldn't be preaching social conservatism, which is one of the main reasons she was picked for vp.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
15 Sep 08
"However, I believe Palin has used her kids as examples of her beliefs." How exactly has Palin used her kids as examples of her beliefs? I know others have made reference to her keeping her son despite knowing in advance about his Down Syndrome, but she never brought any of that up. She didn't even mention his Down Syndrome during her RNC speech although she's been accused of it by many liberals on mylot.
• United States
16 Sep 08
Okay, I should have picked my words better. The MCCAIN CAMPAIGN went on a rant that Biden was making snide remarks against Palin, when he was talking about stem cell research. Well, Biden was talking about McCain and stem cell research - he didn't even mention Palin at that time. Well, who cried foul? The McCain campaign - and they were the ones who brought in Palin's kid. Sorry, but Biden was talking about an actual issue and somehow it was a low blow to Palin and her choice to keep her kid? Besides that, Palin touts herself numerous times as the "hockey mom" so if that is one of her characteristics/qualities as to why one should vote for her, isn't she inviting voters and media to take a look at her family and analyze it? I know if I put on a resume or stated in an interview that I was something or another, I would expect that it would be checked out thoroughly. Palin and the McCain campaign invited this nonsense. The McCain campaign should be focusing on her time as mayor and governor because that is what really matters, instead they decided from the beginning to make her and her family as the "poster" family. Even though Palin is not running the campaign, she and her husband are just as much at fault for this crap because they went along with the image that the McCain campaign wanted from her. Now, with all this said, I must say again that kids should not be brought in at all. I feel sorry for all her kids. The funny thing is that my husband and I recently had this argument - he believed her kids were "fair game" so to speak and I was arguing "No way - its not their fault the parents are *%%holes" (My opinion of course). However, I can see why people think they are fair game.
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
16 Sep 08
Both campaigns stuck to the issues and NEITHER mentioned Palin’s child. Joe Biden: “I hear all this talk about how the Republicans are going to work in dealing with parents who have both the joy, because there's joy to it as well, the joy and the difficulty of raising a child who has a developmental disability, who were born with a birth defect. Well guess what folks? If you care about it, why don't you support stem cell research?” McCain Campaign: "Barack Obama's running mate sunk to a new low today launching an offensive debate over who cares more about special needs children," McCain-Palin spokesman Ben Porritt said. "Playing politics with this issue is disturbing and indicative of a desperate campaign." I don’t know why people keep putting words into Sarah Palin’s mouth and claim she is bringing her child into this. Doesn’t anyone read past the headlines anymore? “Besides that, Palin touts herself numerous times as the "hockey mom" so if that is one of her characteristics/qualities as to why one should vote for her, isn't she inviting voters and media to take a look at her family and analyze it?” If you feel that is true then clearly you should also see it as Biden’s and Obama’s families would be open to analysis based on the quote I provided. Even before that quote Obama has been hamming up his family man persona. Obviously republicans aren’t jumping on this otherwise you would have heard about the trouble with Biden’s daughter. “Palin and the McCain campaign invited this nonsense.” So then you would agree that Obama and Biden have invited the same nonsense by involving their children in the campaign and showed them off on national television in a special segment? “However, I can see why people think they are fair game.” So can you also see why those excuses would also make Biden’s and Obama’s children fair game? I’m just asking you to step outside the box and apply the same criteria to the Democrats that you have to the Republicans.
@kareng (7980)
• United States
16 Sep 08
I think attacks on the children are really low blows. What else would you expect from the democrats? Really--they have been doing this for years.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
16 Sep 08
I don't typically like to say that any attack is limited to one political party, but sadly you're right about this. They attacked Bush's daughters and called him a bad parent because his daughters were caught drinking while underage. Republicans on the other hand never attacked Gore's daughters, his brother, or Biden's daughter.
@devylan (695)
• United States
17 Sep 08
You know, I don't know that the Democratic party as a whole is attacking anyone here.
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@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
16 Sep 08
The children should be left alone. No exceptions. Children are individuals who make their own decisions and live their own lives. The beliefs and values of the parent are not always adopted by the children. To believe that anyone's children will do exactly what their parents tell them to do or want them to do is ridiculous in a country that is all about individuality. Most of all, the children should be left alone by their parents. Using your child to get sympathy or telling the voters that you will be an advocate for their cause because your child has a handicap is disgusting.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
16 Sep 08
"Using your child to get sympathy or telling the voters that you will be an advocate for their cause because your child has a handicap is disgusting." Palin never did that. I don't know why so many people are spreading that lie. All she said is that parents of special needs children will have a friend and advocate in the White House. She NEVER mentioned her son's Down Syndrome in that speech. She's been an advocate for special needs children for years, long before her son was born. She nearly tripled the amount spent on programs for special needs children as the governor of Alaska.
• Germany
15 Sep 08
There he/she goes again! Why can't one contribute to a discussion without one falling back to the old silly labels: liberals, conservatives etc. How could you be torn apart by what Sen. Biden said about his grandchildren and the children of Sen. Obama. Please, try to peel off some of your intolerant posture. Children are children must be off limit in the campaign that is turning uglier each other day. To the Reps it is a routine, and the Dems are determined to play it to their court this time round. And the American people seem to enjoy it. How sad!
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
16 Sep 08
Well, clearly you didn't read my entire post. Did you just look at the title and fail to even read my first line? I clearly stated that I don't want anyone's children to be attacked. My title was to show many of the liberals on mylot how stupid their argument is that they are allowed to attack Palin through her children because she talked about them in a speech. It was an example of how Biden used his and Obama's children in a speech and how that in no way opens him up to criticism based on his children or their behavior.
@mehale (2200)
• United States
17 Sep 08
I agree with you completely. The children need to be left alone. They have no place in the political election and should not be attacked! I really wish the dirty politics would stop and we could get down to the issues that matter! Like that is really going to happen...LOL!