I think I have a diseased mind.

India
August 25, 2009 4:16am CST
Just now I answered a discussion wherein it was asked if people talked to themselves. I scrolled down all the answers wherein most have replied that yes, they do it when nobody’s around. Now that got me thinking (in any case, I have wanted to discussion this with someone)…I am ALWAYS talking to myself. Not loudly but silently. I seem to have no control over my mind. It can be a song, it can be snippets of conversations I have had throughout the day or in most cases, completely imaginary discussions about what I might tell to so and so person. Sometimes I go completely crazy in trying to control my mind coz, as you can understand, this is very very distracting. I might be doing my chores, yet my mind is not there…it has drifted away to myriads of imaginary situations and discussions. Every morning the moment I wake up, my mind starts humming any tune of popular music or starts its own thought process. Its like a clock working itself day and night…I have consciously tried halting the thoughts but its almost a physically painful effort. Only time it does not work on its own is when I am doing some brain work…like studying or forming responses to mylot, reading etc. I have had very good responses and advise on all my problems discussed here of date. So anybody having any idea on this?
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@indybaty (368)
• Panama
25 Aug 09
That happens to me all the time. If you have a diseased mind then most people in the world are mad! :D I dont believe you have anything to worry about. Sometimes are mind wonders off and comes back, not all there but it comes back either way. My father is a shrink and even his mind wonders on ocassion so we all wonder off sometimes.
• India
26 Aug 09
I am actually so glad that I started this discussion. For quite sometime now I have been thinking of this as some sort of mental disease you know…talking continuously and pondering over absolutely unconnected things and people and incidents. But now it seems a lot many people have the same problem with their mind…I feel a lot relieved
@indybaty (368)
• Panama
26 Aug 09
Dont even think about it as a problem my friend. In fact when my mother would catch me talking to myself she would either make fun or tell me that I was speaking the crazy language again... like you for a while I was bummed out, until I cought my mom doing the same and told her that you are learning my language just fine! ROFL! And I couldnt agree with sunny more!, whenwe act out what we are saying, sometimes at the end we have a better picture of it all.
• India
25 Aug 09
well for starters let me say something... have u heard of the term multiple personality or a split personality/ surely u must have because hollywood and bollywood have made so many movies on this subject... the thing is in those movies they make it sound as if it is rare... but i will tell u wat it is not at all rare.. it is very common.. every human being is split and dats wat reflects in our decisions during moral dilemmas.... dats why myth has always come up with this idea of how both an angel and a demon guard ur thoughts and their wars results in ur decision...so even for small decisions concerning moral issues we have the need to heed to listen to two sides of the decision making process.. since the body is one and we need to consider two sides of a moral dilemma itis only natural dat we talk to ourselves....in my opinion it is only mental if somebody jus listens to one side of wat ur mind says.. if u listen to the demon u turn into a criminal and if u listen to the angel u turn into a saint... only if there is a balance we are human! and singing to urself is gud for u! scientific studies prove dat! it keeps ur mind lively and prevents depression! u are ok , dont worry!and the mind does not have a switch dat i know of! it is tuned to receive everything but it is left to our skill to tune into the right channel like a radio! spirituality helps u do dat... and meditation.... and i am not talking about religion though it is a means to spirituality
• India
26 Aug 09
yes, with so many of my friends here saying that their mind too is always busy doing things of its own, I no longer consider myself insane. I just wanted to know if like me others face similar problems and it’s a great relief that yes, nobody’s mind is totally blank.
@cyrus123 (6363)
• United States
25 Aug 09
It's funny that you should mention multiple personalities because I watched the movie "Sybil" on youtube last week. I also saw it on television several years ago when it first came out. It was a good movie but it was so sad. I have learned since then that there [b][/b]are people with multiple personalities. I don't know any, myself, but I saw something about it on a talk show one time. Kathy.
@smithid (122)
• Nigeria
25 Aug 09
Most times the control over ourselves tends from being decisive in our actions. These actions come in form of thought controlled decisions. Let me explain, when we need to get out from bed, most times we need to will our mindset into action. The mind only work based on what we have upstairs, like unsettled situations bothering us. So, my advice is this, try starring at something abstractly with an ear piece on your ear, play a song you love and try not to sing along with the song or allow your mind to play past the present.Be focused and at the same time blank. The aim of this is to subjugate your mind into obeisance. Keep at it as much as possible and see the outcome. Remember, your will wills your conscious and subconscious into action.
• India
26 Aug 09
I have tried but its temporary and the effort to control the mind is very draining on my mental strength. I had even tired chanting the name of God to discipline my errant mind LOL…as long as I am chanting consciously, no other thoughts are playing but the moment I stop making that conscious effort, again those craps enter and clutter my mind.
@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
25 Aug 09
hi Sudipta, This is my too old a habit to talk to myself or say make soliloquy. This usually happens when I am alone and no one is in the near to listen to me. I deliver speeches in English and sometime in my own language. Even if I am riding my bike I would sing a favorite number and interestingly I enjoy this as it breaks the monotony of the ride. I am only not like that as you are when teaching and studying serious matter.
• India
25 Aug 09
Hi Rajib, I am not talking about soliloquy…I don’t talk to myself loudly ever but its my mind which is always thinking situations and imagining conversations and replies or humming a tune to itself. Its like a parallel communication going on inside me all the time which I don’t know how to control.
@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
25 Aug 09
Sudipta, you are unnecessarily taking thing seriously. The same thing happens to me too. Even if I am angry or sad a conversation or a tune still buzz in the background of my mind. Like you I too thought it was abnormality in me. I think this is quite a common phenomenon. So is there is any thing still that separates you from the rest of the humanity?
• India
26 Aug 09
Hi Rajib, Like right now my mind is humming a tune from a popular TV serial and no matter how much I try or whatever I am doing, that tune is playing itself in my mind continuously. Even if I try to, I cannot stop my mind from humming...does this happen to you too?
• Philippines
26 Aug 09
There are 3 D's for diagnosing a mental disorder: (1) it causes pervasive and strong DYSFUNCTION in the individual's life, meaning the person could not function in the mainstream; (2) it causes DISTRESS to the person and to other people in his immediate environment; and (3) it has characteristics that DEVIATE a person from the norm. Given what you've said and given what I could observe from your post: 1. It seems you *don't* have any extreme dysfunction but is just anxious about the belief that you "can't control anything that your brain comes up with." And if you could still study, read, and post intelligent questions here at MyLot, I suppose you could still function in the mainstream. 2. It causes you some distress as I've explained in No.1, but not extreme to the point that all emotional attachments or normal behavior is put to a halt. 3. It seems that what your describing does not deviate from the norm given the observations from other commenters to your post. So in terms of the DSM-IV and in terms of only your post (mind you, I haven't seen you yet) it seems that you don't have any specific mental disorder. Of course, this is just an online assessment but offhand this could seem to be the case. Some things I'd just like to ask though: 1. Why does it make you anxious to experience these sensations? For example, writers and other creative types would welcome these because it is with these that they get their inspiration. 2. Does experiencing these sensations make you feel better in general? If your mind starts its own thought process, does going through the different tangents that it comes up make you feel better or worse, that is if you don't try to stop it? 3. When did this start? Have you an experience or event that you could point as the cause to this situation?
• India
26 Aug 09
I’ll start from the 3rd question. I don’t remember when exactly this thing started. These random thoughts neither make me happy or depressed, they make me irritated. Imagine a band playing near you constantly or a babble distracting you from concentrating and worse is you have no control over either…my situation is similar. Whenever I am in conscious thought or my brain is working, the babble and thoughts and songs are shifted to the back…but the moment the brain is not actively involved (like I’m bathing or cooking or doing household chores) the thoughts and songs take centrestage. It takes a huge and often draining effort to make the mind go blank but that’s momentary…the moment I loosen the grip or am back to my normal self, the mind starts its own games. Sometimes I don’t even know what I am thinking and then with a start I realize that OMG what’s all these I am thinking… I don’t welcome these thoughts coz they help me in no way. For example suppose I’m to visit my MIL next week some day…now suddenly my mind starts an imaginary conversation of its own with my MIL…like she’s sitting there and I’ve entered the room and we are chatting on some topic…utterly useless crap, you understand! I don’t even know what we’ll be talking about and have nothing planned yet my mind is scripting the story on its own! And it can go on and on like this…from MIL it will wander to my BIL and then to times we all stayed together and so on and then I’ll be having a chat with my BIL and his wife, I’ll check on the baby…all imaginary of course (my mind will form their part of the conversation too)! So do you understand why I sometimes feel as if I’ve gone mad!
• India
27 Aug 09
I don’t have any sleep problems as such though my sleep time is not more that 5-6hrs daily. Yes, I do have smell sensations but that I think is more coz I am a foodie! I love food and that’s my only ‘obsession’ you can say. I crave good food and I can actually smell it but this is a conscious thought…like if I want to have pizza, I can actually smell it and it further increases my hunger pangs LOL Sensory modalities can be anything and everything…an imaginary conversation with a colleague at office or with any member of the family, maybe my mind will hold a dialogue on its own about a vacation to a place where I have never been…one thing I must tell you is that the discussions are always dialogue…never monologue. My mind forms the questions and answers them itself…all imaginary of course and my conscious thoughts are not involved. I suddenly wake up with a start as to OMG what rubbish is this going on!!!
• Philippines
27 Aug 09
Hmm. Can you classify the thoughts according to: (1) Content, (2) Sensory Modality (i.e. things that you hear, things that you see) and which sensation is more prominent? As of this time, there's still no touch sensations that plague you, no smell sensations? (For example, when your mind wanders you always seem to smell your lunch 3 days ago) Also, have you a history of sleeping problems?
@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Hi sidiptacallingu I think most of us go through this believe it or not, its really hard to control our every thought,I could be watching t.v then all of a sudden I drift off into lala land,only to say shoot, so you rewind and promise yourself you will pay attention this time, or having a conversation with someone you are actually having a totally different conversation in your head, thats why sometimes you hear "your not paying me ant attention are are you" this is something that we all go through,I know I do. If you are talking to yourself silently, then that is not talking to yourself, thats is called "thinking" we all do it, some of us have good control of what we think, others just go with it and let their mind take them place places their body may never go, some of us have crazy thoughts, we allow ourself to believe them and then we end up on medication. The mind is a wonderful thing, thats why they have some many self help books out there, everyone wants to try to control this beautiful thing, IMO is uncontrollable. Talking to yourself is just that "talking" to yourself, I do this as well, when I am around other people I may talk very low,like I am playing out my thoughts " I am going to do this first' OR "should I buy this one" I have no shame in talking to myself, as long as I am not talking crazy like some people do, I don't see a problem with it.
• India
25 Aug 09
Hi Kitty, Well yes, ‘thinking’…only most of the times its crap going on inside there and the most frustrating part is that I know its crap yet I cant control it. I go crazy and feel like slapping myself hard…you know ‘just snap out of it!’…of course I don’t do that but are there really people like me who are thinking all the time? Needless thoughts, baseless situations or the same song playing again and again like a broken record player? I don’t want to think, I don’t want a replay of the same tune yet its going on continuously all the time.
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@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Hi sidiptacallingu I know my mind races a mile a minute at times, our feelings have a lot to do with our thoughts, when I am down I think crazy thoughts, there are times when I feel no one loves me, my family don't get me, why am I here,this is usually happens when I am depressed, how do you feel when you are having these thoughts, are you depressed? when you are happy do you think this way? The only time I am not thinking is when I am asleep, then I dream so in a way does this mean even in our sleep we think, i either have good thoughts,crazy thoughts,really silly out of this world type of thoughts,sometimes when I am in a car I think someone is going to slam into the window where I am sitting, then I say come on now stop it, then I think of something good. I do feel we all have crazy thoughts some times, but we have to think about something that makes us happy then we can change our thoughts, you understand? So my question to you is how do you feel? mylot is a great place to figure to help you have good thoughts, it has helped me a lot, I would like to be your friend, hopefully together and with all the other wonderful people here we can figure this out.
• India
26 Aug 09
Yes, mylot or rather the people here have helped me wonderfully with many issues, specially with my growing son. As I said, I dont have any special feeling when my mind is racing...my mind is racing all the time on its own without my giving any conscious thought or effort to it. When I am thinking consciously, like when I am happy or depressed or whatever, the thoughts are coordinated and I know what I am thinking...but most of the time my mind is just imagining discussions with people which might actually never take place, or situations which have no link with my present.
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
25 Aug 09
Hi Sudipta! If you feel that you have some problem in your mind, then many like you have this problem, one of them of course me. It is a very common thing, our mind keeps thinking and many thoughts keep coming in our mind either belonging to any present situation/event, past event or any future event. I think when we think, we keep getting new ideas to execute a pending task. I also keep thinking most of the time, even when I am fast asleep. When I am asleep my sub-consious mind keeps the thought process on and dreams come my way every night, may be related to some weird or imaginary sitautions. When I am awake, flow of thoughts do not stop. When I am in bathroom or washroom, more thoughts keep coming in my mind, because there I remain alone and I can think, whatever I feel like. I think, till we are alive, this thing will not stop, our mind will keep thinking one thing or the other, so you need not bother at all that you have some disease. Keep enjoying the life. Have a great day! Deepak
• India
26 Aug 09
Yes, Deepak what you say might be true but its so frustrating sometimes when I cant control my mind. Right now my mind is humming a tune from a popular TV serial which I watched last night. Its going on hummming...even the moment I woke up in the morning the humming started as if some continuous record is playing. At other times, I really dont know what my mind is thinking...its quite distracting and affects my concentration in daily work. So I am actually getting all the more worried coz my mother too has this habit of brooding continuously...so I am thinking if that is a sort of minor madness that runs in the family or what!
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
26 Aug 09
Hi Sudipta! I think there is no need to 'control' your mind, let the thoughts, songs, music come to your mind and be happy and feel good to humm a tune of your favourite song/serial song. What I feel is that when you watched that serial, you saw it too seriously and you were fully engrossed in the plot and song(s), therefore, it keep ringing in your mind. You see if different thoughts keep coming in your minds, it is not bad per se, however, if you are concentrating on your office work, for example, then you should fully concentrate on the 'work', even if at that time some weird thoughts or say thoughts unconnected with your work travel in your mind, please stop for few moments and then again start working. Please do not worry on account of your mother's habit. you are a very 'balanced' person and there is no question of insanity entering into yuor mind. Keep Enjoying!!! Deepak
@Buchi_bulla (8298)
• India
25 Nov 09
Hai Sudiptacallingu, I am happy to read this discussion because right from my childhood, I have been undergoing this problem. My mind goes on thinking on unnecessary thinks like 'it could have happened this way. I would have talked that way. What if I am in that school. Now it has gone to this level that whenever some arguments crop up between my husband and me, he hurts me by his behaviour or talk, I think whether I should have married that person, this person and how my married life would have been, though I do not know anything about the other person. But finally I conclude that my husband only is suitable for me with his dynamic personality. But is it not waste of time thinking all rubbish? Sometimes I talk to God's photo. I do not know how to stop these stupid thoughts.
• India
26 Nov 09
Hi Buchi, Don’t worry, now that this discussion is out, I’ve come to know that this happens to almost everybody around us…we are no exceptions. One very wise member has even said that this is the reason why its so difficult to calm the mind and meditate…our mind always has a ‘mind’ of its own and its not in our hands to control it all the time.
• India
25 Aug 09
Sudipta, this has happened to me also. I will go one step further, when I am taking my daily walk, in the morning, my imagination runs wild, and suddenly if I hear a song, I think how it will be if I sing it in a front of an audience or suddenly I become a cricket player or something like this. This happens only when you brain is idle, and when you are busy with some work, mental or physical, it goes away. So I can understand the sentence myraids of imaginary situations and discussions. This is the first time, I have seen somebody else discussing about it. I thought some thing was wrong with me and so I did not discuss this with anyone.
• India
26 Aug 09
I'm sure something's wrong with me and so I wanted to discuss this with friends here. Yes, you are correct that when I am doing something consciously and my brain is working, I do not have such thoughts. But its not possible for us to work all the time...and in those idle moments, its really frustrating for me when I cant control my mind.
• India
26 Aug 09
Forget it Sudipta, nothing is wrong with you. Take things lightly. If you have a diseased mind, you will not be able to write such good responses as well as discussions. Some of your responses particularly in the religious forums are fantastic. So if something is wrong with you, you will not be able to express yourself like that. So relax.
• United States
26 Aug 09
You need to keep your mind active, rather than letting it get idle. That appears to be the problem. So, in other words, use you mind online, and you will have less idle time. Perhaps you could even go to a workshop, or volunteer at some place. Anything to keep your mind active.
• India
27 Aug 09
yes, keeping my mind active online i.e. mylotting is a great stress reliever and refresher to me. as long as I am mylotting, my brain is active and I don’t get such thoughts.
@derek_a (10874)
26 Aug 09
As a therapist and Zen practitioner, I can acknowledge that the mind chatters away all the time. Awaking or in dreams when we are asleep. Just think and considering an answer to this post, I can hear my mind telling me what to write. Sometimes, I will think alound. This can be when I am on my own in the house or if somebody else in the house and they hear me. I just tell them I was talking to myself if they ask. I don't think it is the sign of a diseased mind, or perhaps I am just nuts! If I am nuts, then I am perfectly willing to wear that label. - Derek
• India
26 Aug 09
no, I am never thinking aloud or talking to myself in the real sense of the term…its only that my mind is like an unbridled horse running away on its own trajectory most of the times and this is what I find extremely irritating and distracting.
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• India
27 Aug 09
Thanks so much, I am chking out the link and yes,meditation might be an answer to my problems.
@derek_a (10874)
26 Aug 09
This is one thing that is addressed in zazen (Zen meditation). It would be either something that you would feel attracted to or not, as different people respond differently. There is a link to my site on my profile that explains zazen, if you would like to investigate it. Also there are Zen books that address this problem also. - Derek
• United States
25 Aug 09
I have this "problem". I call it my eternal internal monologue. It's quite therapeutic. Imagine the harm that would be done if I were to actually verbalize all the things that I think in my head. But when I need to concentrate on the task at hand I am able to silence my mind by thinking about "nothing". In my case my "nothing" is a blank sheet of white paper on a white table in a white room. That is also very relaxing for me. If I need my mind to concentrate on a task I am performing then I make that my thought. For example...My mind thinks all of this while I'm doing it...I need to have dinner on the table by 5. I need to chop the onions. I need to boil the water. I need to brown the meat....etc Then while I'm doing the task...the water is boiling, the meat is browning, I'm chopping the onions, don't forget to check on the meat....etc. etc. It forced my brain to stay focused on what I need to be doing at the time. Try it. It works for me. :)
• India
26 Aug 09
Hi CYn, Its always a great relief for me to find you here… I have tried this Cyn but I cant hold on to it. As long as I am consciously trying to blank out my mind, its blanked out but the moment I loosen the reins, its back to its own games. Like in your example, I’m chopping onions and checking the meat alright but even while doing that, my mind is busy in its own way so I have not really noticed when exactly the meat needs to be turned! By the time I noticed, it’s a little more browned on one side… Do you think I need to practice this more often? When the thoughts get too much for me, I just sit quietly and hold my breath and with a huge effort try to make my mind blank…but the moment I am ‘normal’ the thoughts are racing each other again! Can you shuttle easily between your ‘eternal internal monologue’ mode and blank mode?
• United States
26 Aug 09
Sometimes my eternal internal monologue and what I'm saying/typing/doing are exactly the same thing so I think that may be why I can easily switch between the things I think and the nothingness I imagine. Example....Someone asks me if I think a dress makes them look fat.... My "eternal internal monologue" screams at me that they looked fat before they put the dress on, they will look fat when they take the dress off, I'm surprised they have the nerve to wear a dress in the first place, and I'm sure if I say something about it not being the dresses fault they "look" fat then I will get some excuse about their families genetics. All of that runs through my head while I tell the person that the dress clings to their hips or makes them look flat chested etc. etc. Then I immediately go to my blank white page so I can tune out their mumbling about the size of their hips or lack there of their chest. I do this ALL the time so it is second nature to me. But you know what they say, Practice makes perfect!
@cupkitties (7421)
• United States
25 Aug 09
I do this all the time. I make checklists in my head. I imagine future situations for myself that will likely never happen and I play out how things might end if I did certain things or what I will say to people and what they might or might now say back to me. If my mind had a mouth I'd put some duct tape on it to shut it up. I've never thought of being diseased though. My only real complaint about it is when it interrupts my sleep.
• India
26 Aug 09
Yes, I have similar experiences specially with situations that might never arise. Dont you get frustrated or distracted in your daily work? I do...I might be doing something important or cooking and suddenly the mind starts travelling and before I know it the food's almost done or I have missed something important or I can no longer located something which I was handling...my mind's just not there!
• United States
25 Aug 09
Oh a friend suggested to me once a change in diet habit. Cut down on caffeine. Doesn't really work for me but you might try and see.
@cyrus123 (6363)
• United States
25 Aug 09
I don't think you have a diseased mind at all. I live alone and I talk to myself a lot. I think a lot of people do. I have a little dog I keep in the house and I talk to her sometimes, lol. Some people think that's crazy but I don't. If you have plans to do something but you're afraid you might forget it, it helps to say it out loud because you tend to remember it better that way. Happy mylotting. Kathy.
@cyrus123 (6363)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Don't worry about singing to yourself, either, because I tend to do this a lot, too, especially while cleaning house or doing the dishes. I love to sing, anyway. When I get a song on my mind, I just want to sing it. I have an older sister who does this a lot, too. It means that you are in a good mood and it makes the task a little more fun to do. Kathy.
@loudcry (1043)
• India
28 Sep 09
I think its perfectly normal to have conversations running in one's mind. i have those converstions too.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
6 Oct 09
I can well identify with what you have written Sudipta because there are a myriad of thoughts flitting through my mind too at any given time. I also imagine a situation [suppose I am about to meet a person or something] and the way I would talk and what questions the person would ask.I feel this is a figment of an overactive imagination and the tendency to predict and specalate over behavioural patterns.THis does not work all the time and so except for humorous situations I feel we should try and curb it.One way I have found is to pull back my mind with the conscious thought 'let me see what she/he is going to say and then I would act.After all, things may not turn out the way I magine".But my imagination stops with just potential confrontations[when a plan has been made to go somewhere].Otherwise, i do not think about the future.So, coming to the point, I felt we should learn mediatation [the proper method].
@Sreekala (34312)
• India
25 Aug 09
Hi sudipta, You are absolutely alright and nothing to worry. Human mind is just like a running horse that lost control. When people are around or we are busy with talking anybody then we don’t get time to spend with our mind. I think all are doing the same. It is just like a dream sometimes. So don’t worry please go ahead.
• India
25 Aug 09
I don’t want to spend time with my mind…in fact I am not spending time of my own will, its my mind which is doing its own thought process all the time and distracting me most of the times. I look at so many people around me and wonder if all of their minds are working of their own will like mine does all the time!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
1 Nov 09
i dont think thats a problem at all. i've seen many discussions here where people say they are the same way as you and i have had my own discussions about the same thing. i think it means you have a very good and inquisitive mind/brain that will be of help to you as long as you are alive. iam the same way. so, hopefully thats not really so bad
• Malaysia
25 Aug 09
you do dear ... i dont think so, your brain is just active .. it does not like "time-out", you should be happy that it functions at all time especially with the tunes .. On the distracting part - i have seen people like that, the body is there but the mind is not ...but i guess it is because you do not like what is 'happening' or being discussed at that time that your brain just halts and thinks of some other pleasureable things How to control that ... sorry i dont know
• India
26 Aug 09
you know Sanjana, at least for one day I would like my mind to be empty. Since so many friends here have assured me that they too have the same problem, I don’t think that’s possible. Is your mind ever empty?
• Australia
25 Aug 09
As far as I can recall I have been doing this for 65 years less 11 days and however long it took for me to develop enough language skills to talk to myself. I think anyone who doesn't is more than a little weird. Lash
• India
26 Aug 09
You certainly know how to make the best of a hopeless situation…you made me laugh and thanks just for that!