Lying and cheating

@dfollin (12744)
United States
August 26, 2009 1:35pm CST
There are people complaining about President Obama lying and cheating.About his birth certificate and paying people off.But,they take up for other elected officials.When George W. Bush lost his first election,he had a re-count of the votes done in Florida where his brother was the govenor.Then one of his cousin's went down there to help count.Even my daughter at that time was young and heard that and said mommy that's cheating!,before I had even said to her anything about the situation.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36489)
• United States
26 Aug 09
I usually try to stay out of discussions on politics & relegion but couldn't help but express my opinion on Bush. He was a shunk. Your daughter is a smart little girl.
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
A skunk! That's a good one.Yes,she is smart.She was only about 4 or 5 when this happened and she picked up on that right away.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36489)
• United States
26 Aug 09
It's a shame that adults could not see what a small child did.
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Really,that's what I said....In a childs eyes!
@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Oh, well politics works like this- it's ok if the party that I like does it but, it's a huge deal if the party I don't like does it. I don't even let it bother me to much when I see conservatives saying stuff that I said while Bush was in office that I was called unamerican for saying but, now, it's patriotic.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
26 Aug 09
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@Rollo1 (16689)
• Boston, Massachusetts
26 Aug 09
Apparently you, and most of America, is not aware that a recount of the votes in Florida was undertaken by the Miami Herald who hired an independent accounting firm to count the votes. The result? Bush won. "In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted. The study, conducted by the accounting firm of BDO Seidman, counted over 60,000 votes in Florida's 67 counties, tabulating separate vote totals in several standards categories. " Now I would like to know why you felt that if Bush lied and cheated it was wrong but if another president does it, it is okay because he's not the first. Let's take Obama at his word - that is, the words he spoke before the election, the ones about hope and change and about transparency and having Washington be open and not secretive. Has he kept that word? No, he has not. It's a poor excuse to point to one person to judge another by. We must judge Obama by the standards he set for himself. He has failed to live up to them. He is not only not running a transparent administration, he has cloaked this administration and himself in more secrecy than any prior administration. He has lied, and the people he has lied to most are those of you who supported him and continue to do so.
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
So far Obama has been doing a great job,especially with the mess he was left with.He is following his word,he said that straightening out this mess would not happen over night and it hasn't.I doesn't matter who was HIRED(talk about pay off!) to recount the votes his cousin still went down there to help count. I did not say he was the first,but people are acting like Obama is.
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@Rollo1 (16689)
• Boston, Massachusetts
26 Aug 09
So, you're saying that USA Today and the Miami Herald conspired to hire an independent accounting firm to count the votes AFTER the election had been decided and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to the fact that Bush was president and it was a payoff. No, sorry. It was investigative reporting. They wanted to see what the recount would have shown if it had been allowed to continue. The AP and several other news agencies did the same. The results were the same. Bush won Florida. You didn't hear about that much because it wasn't anti-Bush. But no problem, facts should never get in the way. If you're content to be lied to because you think others have lied to you, then I guess you would be content to let someone rob you on Tuesday because others robbed you on Sunday and well, let's be fair and realize that a lot of people rob other people. Seriously, you've admitted now that he lied. You just believe that it's not important because it's your guy that lied. Wait, weren't you complaining that people make excuses for their own party's guy when he does wrong? I guess you were right.
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Lol,Rollo,you sound like another republican mylotter then I replied to earlier,putting words in my mouth.I did not say that,but anything is possible.Being lied to is one of my pet peeves,so I am far from liking it.But,I do not see where Obama has lied to me yet.He said that it was going to take a long time.Some time ago we were told by a man that was running for govenor this and that.I really believed him and worked a lot on his campaign as well as voting for him.He won.Three days later he reversed what he said about his main promise.And guess what...he was a republican.But,Iam not against republican's,I vote for whoever I think that can do the job.
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@jonakyl (493)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Unfortunately that happens in both parties. By your own example, how many democrats complained about George Bush cheating, but look the other way when questions come up about Obama? This country would be much better off if we held our leaders to the same standard regardless of their political affiliation. What is good for the Democratic party is good for the Republican party, and vice versa. We need to stop having double standards, and that applies to BOTH Democrats and Republicans.
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@iriscot (1290)
• United States
26 Aug 09
jonakyl, I totally agree with you! Who will set the standards?
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Yes,it does and I think you are right that this country would be better off with only one party.It does seem like double standards.
@jonakyl (493)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Iris: all of us should be setting the standard. We need to stop criticizing the other party, for the things our party also does, and vice versa. If it isn't right to portray a president as Hitler, then it shouldn't be right for either party to do it. dfoll: I wasn't suggesting one party, if anything we need more than the two major parties we have now.
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@sizzle3000 (3040)
• United States
26 Aug 09
The definition for a politition is lier and cheat. It seems that these men and women who run for office has lots of skeletons in their closets. Oboma has tons of skeletons comming out of his. The main one that got me was that several family members of his are here illegal and this means that this man can not help but be bios on the illegal situations. This means that Obama will keep allowing these millions of illegals stay in the US and drain our resources. It is a shame but it is true. All polititions are liars. They only come out during election years and they tell the people everything they want to hear. Obama promised change well we got it. We are trillions in debt instead of billions. We are going to allow the illegal immigrants to continue draining our resourses so that American citizens will have nothing in their old age. Obama has spend tons of money taking his family around the world with him. He himself has sheld out a lot of tax payers money as he goes to Muslim countries and other places that he has never been. It is a shame that people elected a man who condones criminal activity in his own home. Clinton was no better. He and his wife were involved in Whitegate. Clinton also had an affair with his intern. He also gave nuclear capability to North Korea. Bush got us into a war but we were headed there any way. Bush may have put us into debt but Obama will keep us that way. I think that all polititions are criminals and they remind me of a mobster family. You know the old Al Capone family ran Chicago for a long time. He killed people and kept people down so that he profited. Well what do you think is going on in Washington. The new crime family in charge is now called Obama.
@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
As far as Clinton having an affair.There have been lots of politians that have had affairs.As far as I am concerned that is a moral issue between him,his wife and God.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Aug 09
MY opinon...if you'd break one vow...what's to stop you from breaking another.....marriage vows same as oath of office. If you'd lie to the mother of your child...you'd lie to strangers, the American public.
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
29 Aug 09
That's your opinion,which you are entitled to.
@Fortunata (1136)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Then you must be against the Kennedy family, because they're everywhere in the government, and I'm sure one of the young'uns will be stepping up into Uncle Teddy's vacant shoes soon. That's called nepotism, not lying and cheating. Obama has several reletives from the same family in his administration, for example, Rahm Emmanuel's brother also has a job in Obama's administration. You better wake up and see that Obama is setting up a shadow government, and several of his ex-con buddies are now working as 'czars.' Pretty soon you won't be able to poop in this country without one of Obama's goons there to smell it.
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
No,I am far away from being against the Kennedys.I have always loved them and have a lot of respect for them.And feel bad for all their tragedies.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
29 Aug 09
I feel bad for their tragedies too. That doesn't mean I agree with their politics.
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@stephcjh (32328)
• United States
1 Sep 09
Amen to that. I think people just like to stir things up and they only see one side of things at times. It is hard to believe and trust in anyone these days too though. Who knows?
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
1 Sep 09
Only God knows!
@Hatley (164654)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Aug 09
hi dfollin hatley here thats so right and look at the mess' Bush left for the next president to try and fix. now all the republicans are out to get obama as he is not able to wave'a magic wand and make all our troubles disappear.I am not going to get'into politics any more than just to say I wish here in my lot it'was not so angry when people voice their own god given opinion. doesnt' mylot admins say we should not negate anyone simply because they do not have the same opinion as you have.only negate insulting remarks not opinions,we allhave a right to our own opinions
@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
Hi Hatley,Yep,but apparently Bush had a magic wand and made the problems happen!
@dawnald (84148)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Aug 09
Both sides do it and people tend to stick up for the side they're affiliated with and criticize the side they aren't. Wouldn't it be nice if people could set aside their biases and speak up when their own side messes up. But it's a natural tendency to stick up for your friends, family, political party, religion, etc. even when they've done wrong.
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@dfollin (12744)
• United States
26 Aug 09
That is my point,it happens with both parties.
@quinnkl (1668)
• United States
27 Aug 09
Exactly. And I have to tell you the birth certificate thing - if true - would NOT have let him continuing running let alone be elected. So much lying and cheating in government. No wonder no one trusts anyone any more!!!
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Aug 09
Since you've responded on a discussion of mine and I was accused of complaining (pointing out is not complaining) of Obama lying, cheating, paying people off and having no discerable long form birth certificate...I will assume you are referring to me. AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND ONE PLACE WHERE I'VE TAKEN UP FOR BUSH OR ANY OTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO'S BEEN CAUGHT LYING, CHEATING OR PAYING OFF ANYONE. Once again dfollin....get your facts straight. I do not support ANY POLITICIAN who does these things. lying and cheating seems to be the way to go in life though, I'll say that much.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Aug 09
I've spoke up about President Obama lying and cheating. I've spoke up about his refusal to cough up his long form birth certificate and I have even asked sarcastically who he's paid off. BUT I DARE YOU TO FIND ANYWHERE I'VE TAKEN UP FOR BUSH OR MADE EXCUSES FOR ANY PUBLIC OFFICIAL. Once again dfollin...get your facts straight.