65s and over not getting swine flu shots yet

@suspenseful (40316)
Canada
November 11, 2009 9:21am CST
While at our women's society meeting yesterday, some of the ladies most who had children and many who worked in the health profession said that they got their shots, and so did the children, but when they inquired about the elderly, they were told that they would not be getting. Now I know that as a 65 and older, we get the regular flu shots every year, so I was wondering whether the regular flu shots would also protect us against the swine flu, whether older people that is over 64s, etc. have a stronger resistance to this certain flu variety, or whether it is the common belief that we are expendable and if we get the swine flu and die it is no skin off their nose. I sure hope it is not the last one, because I heard somewhere that the swine flu attacks the weak first and many of the elderly are not that strong and if there are some in politics with a lot of influence who believe that once you are retired, and older, you are no longer needed, it is not right.
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@ElicBxn (60895)
• United States
12 Nov 09
actually, they have discovered that older people, and it seems those who got that "swine flu" shot back in 1977 aren't getting this bug - so why take the chance of giving another shot some might have an allergic reaction too? So far, it seems to be cutting down young, and normally healthy people, with a tendency to actually kill children & teens
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@tdemex (3547)
• United States
12 Nov 09
I'm a senior also and have read up on this! I didn't get my information from Fox news! LOL! Senior don't need the shot! tdemex
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@ElicBxn (60895)
• United States
12 Nov 09
and who says I get my news on Fox News? I've picked this up from both the doctor's office and the internet
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@GardenGerty (102585)
• United States
13 Nov 09
I think he is actually supporting what you say Elic, and not necessarily saying you get your info from Fox. He is saying he does not. He has basically supported what each of us has said when we said that older people are more immune.This is what I get from several sources as well. I think I had the swine flue in 76 or 77. I remember being incredibly ill. I remember having the flu about four or five times in my life.
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@peavey (16866)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I have heard that this is very similar to the flu that went around in the 70s, so older people may have some immunity to it. I don't know that as a fact, though. I have also read that people who get flu shots every year are more susceptible to it because getting those shots doesn't encourage their immune system. And, of course, I've heard that we old people are expendable. I guess it depends on how much of a conspiracy theory you want to believe. Some days I believe it, other days, I don't. :)
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
11 Nov 09
I got that flu. It was terrible, and I was very sick. I also got the flu shot last year and it was the first time. It was earlier, back in September some time. Maybe I will get it next year, but my husband said that since it is free. Well I did not get a reaction so it could be because there was enough of the flu antinbodies from that 70 variety. I do hope that the shortage of the vacine is not due to getting rid of the elderly sooner. I hope to be the oldest person living in the world (baring the second coming) and I would be upset if I hear the oldest person is from another country where they do not consider the elderly expendable. I mean the flu shot should be given to those that need it and not just to those who the government does not need to pay a pension.
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@peavey (16866)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Well, if you're older than me, then you can be the oldest person living when the time comes. Otherwise, you're going to have some competition. ;) I really don't think they're trying to get rid of us older folks, but I have lived long enough to know that anything is possible when it comes to human nature, power and politics.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
12 Nov 09
I do feel that God know when our time comes, but I do believe that HE will be very judgmental on those who decide someone who is disabled or over a certain age does not get the care he or she needs and will die sooner. I mean it is different from those in poor countries who are unable to get care and die at thirty instead of at sixty, but here in Canada, there is no need to decide that an operation is not necessary for someone at eighty. After all, they have much they can tell us and there maybe things they know about - like what happened to their families in Europe during the last war, that we do not.
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@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
11 Nov 09
well I for one aint a gonna get it! not with them changing the experation date on most what they had in stock!!!!and yup thats what they say in the OBAMA care reform that older poepl are to prepare them selfs to die after so many years specially the ones in homes and places like that. Now you already have this kind of government health care up there so what ya think! to our governments we are expendable!
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
12 Nov 09
That is what I feel. Our home care worker was telling about a relative who was in his eighties here and needed an operation. They said he was too old, and then he went down to the states, and they said he needed the operation or he'd die and as a result he lived to be ninety-two. But I am afraid with Obamacare the elderly will get the same lack of care that we have up here.
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@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
13 Nov 09
yup for it will be the same then as yours
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
13 Nov 09
It sure will be. But I guess the ones who are for Obamacare are the ones who really do not care for their grandparents and are waiting for them to kick off so they can get their money. You know I used to think it was funny reading those stories about old ladies leaving their possessions to cats, but now that seems to make sense.
@deebomb (15322)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Apparently the reason that they have come out with the H1N1 flu vaccination is that the seasonal flu is not effective against the H1N1 flu. Here in the states each state seems to have a different priority of who gets the H1n1 shots. I have read that those over 65 probably already have some immunity to the swine flu having lived threw it back in 1976. I wonder if this is much over blown just it was back then.
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
11 Nov 09
That seventy flu was horrible and that was when we adopted our sons. They were very sick then too and we thought it was a common cold, but it turned into pneumonia. I wonder if it was something more . I do know I was tired a lot and I kept sneezing. I had had the flu back when I was in my twenties and it was bad then as well.
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@deebomb (15322)
• United States
12 Nov 09
I have a greater concern for the kids that or obese and have a great chance of becoming Diabetic Than I have about the swine flu.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
13 Nov 09
I heard that the swine flu is sort of like the old Spanish flu that attacked the young and healthy. I think we had a version of it in the 1970s and I think I got it and was very sick then, but then I was not exactly healthy so I am still alive. I think the flu does not care if one is obese or diabetic. .
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@GardenGerty (102585)
• United States
12 Nov 09
This flu is atypical in that it attacks the young more severely than the old and it is very hard on pregnant women. Those are where the most deaths have occurred and that is why those groups get the shot first. Many of today's older people had the swine flu in the 70's.
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@tdemex (3547)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Sorry Obama haters but this is the real reason seniors don't need it!
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
13 Nov 09
The trouble is that I grew up in the '70s but did not know if I had the flu or a very bad cold. I know my sons were sick then - they were babies but we figured it was because one had an operation on an aortic arch and they had been premmies when they were born so naturally weak. And also I had a tendency to get bronchitis so I could have had a bad cold and not the flu. I also have grandchildren and do not want to be a carrier and get them sick.
@dlr297 (5418)
• United States
11 Nov 09
My Daughter had swine flu a few weeks back. She is a nurse in a doctors office. She was real sick for about a week. Both my 7 year old grandson, and my 75 year old mother were exposed on a daily basis. Neither one of them were vaccinated. My daughter is doing fine and is back at work. My Mother, and my grandson are still not showing any signs of getting it. I bet a lot of the older people have been exposed to it when it went around years ago and have built up antibodies to it. or they got the vaccine then. and it is still helping. I am in my 50's and do not plan on getting the vaccine, and my husband is not getting it either.
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@tdemex (3547)
• United States
12 Nov 09
This is the real reason!
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
13 Nov 09
I figure that was it, but I have no idea whether in 1976 where I got the flu or not. I know I had bad colds, and my sons kept getting sick, but if i did not get the flu then and it was only a bad cold, well I might be in trouble. Not that I am worried, but my husband has als and if he gets a cold, or a flu, that might kill him.
@Aingealicia (1906)
• United States
14 Nov 09
My Sister's family had swine flu already and thankful they are just fine right now. Took them out for about 2 weeks. I know personally I will not be getting that shot because I don't trust the FDA and what is going on about the H1N1 virus. Regular flu shots are supposed to be different because the flu shots are made from the previous years flu. Good luck with what ever you choose to do, however on my end I will not participate in beind a lab rat. Ainge
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
14 Nov 09
I do not trust the swine flu vacination anyway. I remember hearing about the side effects of the dangerous flu back in the 1970s, and decided not to get it. I have no idea whether I got the flu or not. I do get bronchitis during the winter, so I cold have had it at the same time. And with the government and that other vacination they want girls between 9 and 21 to get (and which will probably make them sterile) I do not want to endanger my health.
@usaction (651)
• United States
13 Nov 09
Here's a different look at the vaccine, and shots, fyi. Did you know there was swine flu vaccines in 1976, and that they had a lot of side effects? This from the LA Times: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/27/science/sci-swine-history27 Here's something from the UK: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1210525/Half-pregnant-women-swine-flu-vaccine-fears-harm-babies.html About 1/4 the way down: "A poll of 1,500 nurses found that only a third said they would definitely be vaccinated, while two smaller surveys of doctors showed that about half would say no." So, in the UK, 2/3 of 1,500 nurses won't be vaccinated, and about 50% of doctors won't. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFlu/swine-flu-vaccine-refusal-unethical/Story?id=8793439&page=1 The US government says it has no intention of forcing vaccinations, but its entire flu strategy could be undermined – endangering public health, they say – if a substantial portion of the US population opts out of the *$3 billion program.*(emphasis added; follow the money). *Ed. Note* So, if -health professionals- in the US and UK don't want the jab, and enough people also question it, the US gov has just wasted a ton of money, so I question just how serious this pandemic is. Everyone knows that politicians are all about the money, bailing out Wall Street and banks, so why should this be any differeint?
@Hatley (164485)
• Garden Grove, California
11 Nov 09
hi suspenseful as soon as I get over the shock of having my star plummeted from an 8 overnight to a 5 I will respond here. I am told we here at the retirement center where I am staying will be gettint the flu and the swine flu shots too soon. but if I do not get mine here before my next doctor's appointment I canget them at my doctor's office. I am a diabetic and 83. I hope we all get them soon.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
11 Nov 09
The ladies said it was because they were out at the time. We have had quite a number of births recently. I mean Winnipeg is really getting populated. But the ladies were rather upset, because a lot of them have elderly parents and grandparents that they are concerned about and one of them works in a hospital as a geriatic nurse and many of her patients are nearing the end of life. I mean would it not be better for someone who was meant to die at eighty, to die at eighty and not go prematurely at seventy-five or die before saying good-bye to their family?
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@cynthiann (18619)
• Jamaica
11 Nov 09
Regretfully, many government agencies in so many different countries play God and decise who is to get the shots.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
12 Nov 09
That is what is happening. It is like that movie :"They were Expendable," only this time it refers to the elderly. And believe it or not, not all those elderly got that 1976 flu. I guess when the swine flu comes, those will die and the government will not care.
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• United States
11 Nov 09
Obummer and Pooplosi have made it quite clear that the elderly are not considered to be contributing members of society so why should they waste vaccines on us.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
11 Nov 09
If it was years ago, I would have assumed that the elderly had a greater resistance to this type of flu, and it was related to the Spanish flu and those who were alive at that time, i.e. infants and small children would have gotten it and survived, but now I feel that much of it is because there are so many in office who regard the older people as non essential. As for contributing to society, if I do not get a shot and I go visit my grandchildren, what about them? I mean there are some families that do not get a shot, and then grandma and grandpa who got the flu and do not know it until too late - you see the horrible possibilities there .
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@dragon54u (31637)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Sorry I'm late, I've been swamped with work! What you said is the current theory among many people here in the States--they are culling out the Baby Boomers and the elderly, that's how they'll save on Medicare so they can spend on the universal health care. We are not productive, just a drain on the system and they need to be rid of us so there are more resources for those who are actually financially productive. I personally think that the swine flu shot has something in it that will have adverse affects. Notice that only young people get it, not the older ones that use up resources and don't produce. I think we older people have some immunity to the swine flu, at least those of us who have been exposed to flu viruses over the years even if we didn't contract it.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
14 Nov 09
I think you are right. I remember when we had that bad flu in the 1970s, that was the equivalent to the swine flu now or the Spanish flu then. People who got it, got adverte reactions. But I do think that giving the swine flu vaccine to younger people there is a method to their madness, just as giving that vaccination to young girls that will prevent them from getting cervical cancer. There are those in the government who thinks humans are evil and respo0nsible for global warming, esp. those in the Western Industrialized world, so if they give vaccinations to the most fertile, etc. that will cause adverse effects such as miscarriages, spontaneous abortions, sterility in a good number and so that they will be unable to produce more then 2 children, it would suit them fine. Now I am interested in Science Fiction and I have read a lot of books about enemy aliens poisoning water, etc. but I would think something like that is a worse case scenerio and there are people in government and in power who would be the types to do that.
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
17 Nov 09
I checked on all the Obama czars and I believe it. And we used to think that this was either a Communist plot or an alien invasion from outer space. Now these types of people are in power. And I wonder whether people not having as many children are the results of things being put in the food supply. I know a few of my friends and I count my family among them who used to have large families and are now lucky to have one or two children. My husband had at least eight brothers and sisters and only two of them have more then four children. The rest have an average of one or two. So maybe these czars did something and we were unaware of it.
@riyasam (16578)
• India
4 Dec 09
over here in india,we have to pay for the shots irrespective of age.i do not know why elderly people are singled but certain people with debiltating illness like cancer are not given these flu shots.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
6 Dec 09
Here the elderly get the regular flu shots and those who care for the elderly and disabaled and hospital workers get the swine flu shot, but with the risk, it would be rather dangerous.
@Thoroughrob (11750)
• United States
15 Nov 09
It does seem that way, doesn't it. I wonder what they would all think if they could not have on if they were over 65. I am sure all of them that want one, have already had theirs.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
18 Nov 09
Assuming that everyone over 65 has had the flu back in the 1970s is very dangerous. If one was at home most of the time and seldom got out or when going out, made sure that they were careful, they did not get the flu. The ones who would have gotten the flu then would be those who had kids in and out of their house, worked, was around a lot of people, etc. And the ones who were careful or only seen a few would not have gotten the flu shot since they figured now that they are home most of the time, etc. they would not need it. So these are the over 65s who should be getting the swine flu shot and would more then likely get the flu itself, of course in a much milder version. We do get the regular flu shot for the regular flu - but I figure I will not want to get it this time. Sort of like getting a pill for high blood pressure that my husband has to take =- I do not like medicines forever.
@KrauseHome (35517)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I have heard here in the US, that they are focusing mostly on the children and teens up to like 21 or so, and have not really been talking about the importance of having the Elderly get this shot. Since there still tends to be such a shortage of it, I think this is why. As for people with other issues that it could be dangerous to get this Flu, I have heard of them being turned away even around here, unless it is administered to them in their doctors office. I think there is still so many unknowns that so many are just hoping for the Best if it ever hits around them as well.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
18 Nov 09
I remember back in the 1970s there were cases of people getting bad reactions to the flu shot, I never got the shot, and I may have had the flu, but then I had trouble with bronchitis and my husband was afraid that my colds wold turn into pneumonia. But there was no Obama then, and no "old people are a burden" so the only thing one worried about was the bad reaction to the vaccine. However, now is different, we have two bad camps, one that thinks the world has too many in the industrialized world and so anything that can remove as many of us 'parasites' as possible would be helpful, so a flu vaccine that would create bad reactions such as infertility, etc. in young people would be helpful. We also have the 2nd, such as some of the czars of Obama's minions who feel that the elderly are a drain on society and should be eliminated. So instead of thinking that the bad reaction to the flu is because some people cannot be protected unless they get the actual flu, these two other factors make people doubly suspicious.