Update on the states and the mandate

I will make you a deal: I will get rid of the mandate for health care, if you get rid of the mandate for car insurance. I have had car insurance for the last 17 years and used it once for $500. I have spent at least $8,000 on car insurance in that time, and had my rates increase because I had an accident that I was NEVER cited for. I can tell you that here in Ohio the AG is NOT suing over this. That would be the republican led congress that would try to FORCE the AG to do this. The AG is a democrat, and supported this bill. If they do win this challenge, I will personally fund a lawsuit against the Patriot Act, which violates the constitution in so many ways that I can't believe that it hasn't been repealed. Can you please explain to me how it is that I can only sue the government if I find out that they taped my phone, when they won't release that information through the freedom of information act? How many amendments to the constitution does that small part violate alone?

This is really funny. Great Debater - I've lost all my money on healthcare but saved a mint on car insurance. I had this truly great insurance agent back when I was averaging 3-4 accidents per year (dont know why but they were all definitely my fault) He told me to try not to file a police report and get to him right away which I did. He then immediatley transferred me to another company before they got wind of anything on my record. I went from Aetna to Allstate to Progressive etc. in a year with no noticeable increase in premiums. But then I paid it all back on the damn health insurance with year after year after year of paying two and three and four times what I used and sometimes just paying and not using at all. I guess it all just evens out in the end.

Car insurance is a state law...not a federal one. There are states that do not have car insurance laws. It is a state right to make those laws...not the feds.Which is why the healthcare mandate is illegal. the state has the power to do the mandate..not the feds. As for the AG in Ohio...Isn't that the state that passed the law requiring the AG to file a lawsuit if the mandate passed? Now I know why they passed that law...to force his hand. It was the state government that passed that law...not the congressmen. What is the make up of your state house of representatives? They would be the ones to push it. As for the patriot act...there are several lawsuits flying about that one. Do a serach engine on Patriot act and lawsuit. I hate the patriot act. It IS unconstitutional. It should have been repealed way before now. It ticks me off that obama promised to repeal it...then signed a one year extention on it.

Actually all they are asking is the judge uphold the constitution.

No matter how I look at this the bottom line is still the same. There is presently a federal mandate and you are going into a federal court and asking them to give the power of that mandate to the states which I do not think they will do. Right now I am working on gut feeling. I need to check some things. 1) Has the Supreme Court (that's where this will likely wind up)since the time of the civil war taken authority from the federal gov and given it to the states? If so how many times and how recent? 2) How did Social Security get passed and is there a precedent there? For now I keep coming back to the fact that they are asking the federal government to let states supercede them on something and I don't think the feds will do that.

Irish...in this case it doesn't matter what party your congresional represenatives are as it really doesn't have anythiing to do with them. This is action by the government of your state. If it is a law suit, it is being brought by your state's Attorny General. If it is a nullification bill, it is being processed by your state legislature. Also, if it is a legislative action, the nullification of the mandate will simply become law. It won't even see a court docket, unless the federal government challenges your state specificly in court when your state starts enforcing the nullification. If it is nullified in your state, the most likely scenario is the residents of your state will not be required to get health coverage. I don't think any of the nullification legislation being worked through in the various states nullify anything but that mandate. It would how ever be a good idea to look in to it and see what your state government is doing, have a look at the bill if there is one. That way you can make up your own mind on it and either call your particular state legislators and ask them to supprt it or not supprt it. they can also answer questions on it as well. Your state legislators are often much easier to sit and tak with than our federal government reps are and much more accesable. there are two from my district I speak with all the time and have personaly known for a number of years. I keep harping on this but it really isn't a statement that is defined on party lines and applies to most issues, but the key to REAL change in this country is through the power of our states.

You said it! Neither is interested in finding "common ground" or even "meet in the middle

You are 100% correct LIL.

I don't see our "house" united. You have two large groups of people who want this country to go in completely different directions. Neither is interested in finding "common ground" or even "meet in the middle". Both want "their way or the highway". Yep...we are in for some serious hurt.

And no, they don't care much. Just enough to get votes next time!

oh they understand...they just don't care.

Which is why we have to stop electing rich sleezy lawyers into congress and start voting in normal everyday people with common sense.

Irish, Governor Rendell is against the lawsuit but the AG, who is a Republican, is running for governor himself so that explains why he's determined to do this. He wants to shore up the Republican base. Annie

Your welcome. I will try to keep everyone posted as much as I can on this one.

I hope the republican wins. Sorry, Annie. The democrats have been turned into something of an abomination. They deserve to lose and lose big. Anyone who is for the mandate should lose.

Good luck with the signature hunt. I hope you guys are successful. I would think it would not be too hard to get all those signatures if people in the area know about it. Heck...they will probly be breaking down the doors to sign it.