Repeal Health Care.

United States
November 27, 2010 9:22pm CST
Whatever mud you all will sling my way, however unbiblical or socialist or fascist or hitleresque you say healthcare reform is, I really don't care. This post is for the people with a brain, who support healthcare reform the GOP is so desperately trying to repeal. Because they are heartless individuals. So, sure, let's repeal it, starting with their government sponsored healthcare. Sign this petition. http://www.change.org/petitions/view/repeal_health_care_give_up_your_own_first If you feel the need to kneejerk some random ranting comment go ahead - we have long debated this here on mylot, so not interested in getting back into it. But, if I must, I must.
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@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
28 Nov 10
One of the recently-elected Congressmen, who ran a platform of repealing health care reform, is now complaining loudly that his own (free--to him) coverage does not take effect until 30 days after he is sworn in. Complaints about the cost of universal, single payer, coverage are misplaced. Overall, it would be a lot cheaper than what we have now. As for government inefficiency, Medicare has administrative costs of 2%. Private insurers, like HMOs, spend between 20% and 28% on administration.
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• United States
29 Nov 10
Afraid not. You automatically get signed up when you are 65 by the Social Security Office. It is not completely optional. In addition, many companies will automatically enroll their employees who are 65 and older into Medicare.
@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Your numbers are bogus and meaningless. Compare to private insurers with regard to cost per beneficiary? to have a valid comparison, you must use private companies' numbers on those over 65 only. Their costs are MUCH higher than Medicare's. Your numbers for administrative costs are, or appear to be, just made up. They certainly do not come from medicare or from any independent analysis of private insurers. Another clear example of right-wing thinking--which is--if the facts do not agree with my ideology then the facts are wrong.
@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Sorry, thanks for playing. The Medicare administrative costs are reported, by Medicare to be 3%-6% and private insurers between 12-20%. But, the devil is in the details. Due to higher costs per patient associated with Medicare recipients - who are often receiving expensive end-of-life treatments - the numbers are skewed. They also include "help" Medicare gets from other agencies and insurance companies incur certain costs Medicare doesn't face. A more accurate comparison would be cost per patient. Here we find Medicare administration costing an average of $509 per beneficiary and private insurers averaging $453 (based on 2000-2005 figures). And thus another leftist fairly tale is laid to rest.
@urbandekay (18278)
28 Nov 10
Uniuversal health care, free at the point of contact is the mark of a civilised country. Fact 1. Nationalised Health care provides equivelent treatment at a fraction of the cost of US insurance based system. 2. World Health organisation ranks US health care as poor, just above Cuba, if I remember correctly. Sadly, Obama has opted for a half-arsed system, neither fish nor foul giving perhaps, the worst of all possible worlds. He should of enacted a fully nationalised health care system all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
28 Nov 10
No, it is not, check out the published cost of similar operations here in UK and there in US. Also check out the W.H.O. rankings of nations health services. Nothing to do with global wealth redistribution all the best urban
• United States
28 Nov 10
If it where a straight up comparison urbandekay that would be true. However, the U.K. has a price control system. Recently, the U.K. has also implemented deep slashes into their health care system as they attempt to balance their budget. The mark of a civilized country is not free, universal health care. The mark of a civilized country is in the freedom of its people, the freedom to make choices, and the freedom to change things for the better for themselves and their families.
@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
On what do you base the "factual" nature of your comment? Isn't that a direct quote from the oh so reliable Castro himself? WHO is not necessarily to most reliable source either. They are intent on global wealth redistribution and UHC is their weapon of choice.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
28 Nov 10
I don't know about anyone else but I felt a little uncomfortable about how Boehner was staring at me. It is a reasonable request that if the current health care reforms that give everyone access to health insurance was repealed then every member of Congress should have to give up their health insurance.
@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Everyone had access to health insurance, and health care before the bill was passed. I have a problem with government in any area of our lives not expressly permitted by the Constitution. If "Aunt Esther" decides we should all eat only salads and a bill to that affect is passed, would all of you just go along? Insurance shouldn't be the responsibility of anyone but the individual who wishes to purchase it.
• United States
28 Nov 10
John Boehner does have a little bit of an evil look to him. In any photo I have seen of him.
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@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
And Odumbo has big ears. So what?
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
29 Nov 10
While I don't mind some kind of health care reform, it could have been done better.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Healthcare reform is necessary because millions of Americans die needlessly from treatable illnesses for one reason only...they lack medical care. They are not irresponsible, they are not lazy...they are mostly lower middle class hard working people who don't benefit from employer provided health coverage. I don't agree that anyone can lump every Native American Indian tribe into one generalized group as an argument against healthcare reform because each tribe is an independent nation with some better equipped to care for their members than others. I'm not going to research it...I can only go with what I know...about the Seminole Tribe of Florida. The medical care available to them on the reservations here, as well as off the reservations, is state-of-the-art, free and the care they receive is great. As far as veterans go, I do realize that not every V.A. Medical facility is A+ but the 3 that my husband and I have had personal experience with in 2 states have been top notch. I don't know where the idea that you will lose freedom of choice or that HIPPA will be a thing of the past, along with the loss of privacy came from but I disagree with that argument as well. The VA has been using networked medical records for years and there is information that must be provided by the vet before a medical record can be accessed so patient privacy is assured. It's funny how some folks seem to believe that those folders hanging in the doctor's office are more secure from prying eyes than a network with multiple levels of access.
• United States
28 Nov 10
The example of American Indians is an example of what the health care system would be under the government. The reason is simple. It is free health care that the government provides. The health care is underfunded and way understaffed. The exact same thing has happened with the V.A. The only difference is that the public outcry has forced some changes in the system. What choice do you have when all you have is the government option? Absolutely nothing. Single payer implies exactly that, a monopoly. The government will have a Monopoly on Health care. There are very strict laws within the private business industry about creating a Monopoly. It goes against every principle of the free market where competition is necessary. HIPPA will go out the window because now the government will know everything about you and can easily access that information without too much trouble. It wouldn't take much to add access to medical records into the system. Add in the blatant security breaches that have already happened and you have a recipe where everything is known to everybody. All you have to do is look at how safe your social security number actually is and then think that the Medicare/Medicaid requires your social security number. You see how safe your health information will actually be. The difference between gaining information electronically and having a paper file is a paper file in a doctor's office is safer. A sad fact but true. Think about it.
• United States
29 Nov 10
A few problems for the VA is a bit of an understatement. These problems were reported in all 50 states, not just a few. Really, don't fool yourself. The only option will be the government option. It is already happening with those 65 and older. Why indeed would anyone would be interested in my medical records? Could an employer use that type of information to deny hiring someone? But then again, why would anyone be interested in a CEO's medical record, a celebrity's medical record, a politician's medical record, and so on? Why establish HIPPA in the first place? Isn't the government's first response to a problem is to pass a law? Your social security is your password to information and an open passport to a job in this country. Why do you think so many illegal immigrants are paying for one and why identity theft is on the rise? But I really have to ask you this. Why do you think that something that works for you will automatically make it work for someone else?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Nov 10
The example of American Indians is a bad one because the individual tribes are as different as individual countries around the world are. Some have little resources while others, like the Seminoles, have great wealth and many resources. The medical facilities on the reservations here in Florida are not underfunded, understaffed or substandard in any way. As far as the VA goes, a few newsworthy problems (that were quickly corrected) do not equal an entire system that is underfunded, understaffed or inefficient. The VA health care system includes 171 medical centers; more than 350 outpatient, community, and outreach clinics; 126 nursing home care units; and 35 domiciliaries. The efficiency and quality of care are what have impressed me the most during the 8 years I've been going with my husband. I waited longer to be seen by my private physician than he ever has...their goal is less than 15 minutes which they always meet. All of his doctors...and he has several medical conditions so he has 8 or 9 of them...are experienced and knowledgeable. They don't rush him, the computerized system ensures that all of the medication he's prescribed plays well with each other and the pharmacy is fast considering that this is a huge, 9 story facility. IF the VA were in the state you claim it would take more than some public outcry to change so many facilities and those changes would take a great deal of time to implement. I haven't read anywhere that the only option for healthcare coverage will be some "government option" but that will be available to the millions who aren't able to take advantage of the current free market system for one reason or another. Those who are denied coverage at any price under the current system due to pre-existing conditions would rather have the "government option" than no option at all. Your fears about losing HIPPA fail to take many things into consideration. The most obvious would be why anyone would be interested in your medical records...but if someone were, they would have to have access to multiple levels of information across multiple high security networks. Maybe you don't understand this because you're not a network person. The Social Security Administration cannot access my husband's medical records at the VA. In fact, the Pharmacy at the VA can only see his prescriptions, the front desk staff at his doctor's office can only see his already scheduled appointments, we can log in to the system but our access to information is limited and we're the patients, the Dept. of Veteran's Affairs itself cannot access his medical records. The only person with full network access to his medical records is the doctor sitting in front of him. I have yet to hear of one incident of the VA's system being hacked yet I've read numerous reports of celebrity medical information being leaked because human's were able to peek at paper records. Britney Spears, Nadya Suleman AKA Octomom and Farrah Fawcett come to mind. I really don't need to think about it because I know that locking something up electronically is much more secure.
@terryt52 (243)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Yes mediciad is wonderful. ENTITLEMENT!!!!. Obama care is very dangerous and that will include all medicare and medicaid. I could think of alot of ways we could reform health care as I work in the industry in some way. We will not get even close to the care we receive now. Today the government is involved in the way health care is ran even in the private sector. Our taxes will go up. Our medical treatment will go down so we will become a world of entitlements and be bankrupt. We are not heartless it is reality did you educate yourself on Obama Care did you read the 4000 or so pages. We as americans can not support this program. Did you know that there are a few select insurance companies already setting themselves up to be part of the Obama Care. Did you know that doctors will take a 21 percent decrease in what the receive from medicare and medicaid. How many doctors do you think can afford to do this with the medical malpractice insurance. Oh and they will take another decrease in Jan. Good luck finding a doctor once Obama Care is here. Students that were going to school to become a doctor are leaving school because of Obama care they will not be able to pay their student loans. I could go on and on. I did read the 4000 pages. so yeah GO OBAMA