Transparency And Justice Scalia's Closed to the Media ...

@gladys46 (1205)
United States
January 25, 2011 9:47am CST
When we talk about the ability of the Americn public to have full trust in the highest court of our land ... would you say that Justice Scalia's closed-door session before the Federalist Society (invited by Tea Partiers) maintains that high trust? Can the American public say that the actions of Justice Scalia can be seen as politically impartial?
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@trruk1 (1031)
• United States
25 Jan 11
Certainly he can still be unbiased, as much as he ever was. This is the same guy who went hunting with Di** (MyLot will not allow me to write his name!) Cheney (fortunately he did not get shot in the face) and then voted on a case involving Cheney. The fact is, he already despises most Americans and a speech before a bunch of Tea Party members is not going to change that in any way.
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
25 Jan 11
Yes, I just commented on that "duckgate" thingy! I won't say that Justice Scalia "despises most Americans" ... what I will say is that I'm loosing my trust and confidence in our own highest court's ability to render fair, non-partial and Constitutional based decisions! Is he one of our "activist justices" ... I say yes!!
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
25 Jan 11
"The fact is, he already despises most Americans" Do you have any proof of this "fact"? What would make you think (since it's obviously your opinion and not a fact) that he despises most Americans?
@trruk1 (1031)
• United States
25 Jan 11
I have been watching this guy since he was first appointed. He has clearly expressed his disdain for anyone who was not born wealthy. The sick, the disabled, those who are accused of crimes they did not commit, those whose convictions were obtained through the use of illegal actions by police and prosecutors---it is a long list. He consistently favors corporations over individuals when the two clash. His record is at least consistent. He believes in the Constitution as far as it can be interpreted to allow corporations to do pretty much anything they want, but he does not think much of constitutional protections for citizens.
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@artistry (4154)
• United States
25 Jan 11
...Heyyyy, The fact that everybody does it, does not justify it. Supreme Court Justices evaluate cases and make decisions. If a Tea Party issue comes up before the court, will Judge Scalia recluse himself? More than likely not, because he may just feel that he can make an impartial judgement, maybe he can. But the perception becomes tainted, will he be impartial if there is a case before him? Better to not particpate, find a District Judge, a Fellow seeped in the Constitution. It just looks bad, no matter if it is alright otherwise. Or as everyone is looking for transparency these days, why not ONE reporter? Please.... it all smells to high heaven. Cheers.
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
25 Jan 11
Hi artistry .. indeed, they make decisions that are and could be life changing for Americans at large! What of Justice Scalia who went "duck hunting" with VP Cheney ... what was that outting called "duckgate"?? After this TRIP, Justice Scalia went on to rule on a case before the Court that involved Cheney .. refusing to recuse himself ... talk about possible corruptions!!! The "appearance" of total impropriety reeked!! But, but President Obama gets accused of failing to bring transparency ... I still say compared to what??
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• United States
25 Jan 11
That I know of it was a workshop open to all congress no matter which side they are on. More of an educational thing. If you are going to an elected official...you gotta know the laws and constitution. After all they did swear to uphold it when they were sworn in. No bills are being discussed. No policy is being decided. Personally I would LOVE for it be on C-PAN. I would love to watch it and learn more. Also the "tea party" did not invite him...members of congress did. All the freshmen congress poeple also go through parlimentary classes. Those are closed door meetings. No policy is being discussed...just explaining to the new guys how things work as far the processes in congress. Kind of an orietation type thing. I would love for those to be televised too. I would love to know about that. You are right...it should be televised...but more the educational factor the public could get from it than anything else.
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
25 Jan 11
Hi lilwonders ... thank you for your comment. My question goes specifically to whether or not the American people can maintain full trust in our highest court for impartial decisions. It does not matter to me whether dems or repubs attended ... IMO, that a very, politically volatile group is reported to have chaired this session is of more import to me. Question ... void of any media, how would anybody know exactly what was said or discussed??? Reminds me of VP Cheney's closed-door meetings with who knows who in the nation's energy policy making!!
• United States
25 Jan 11
Well then call congress...tell them televise these seminars and also while you are at it ask them to televise the freshman oreintation tooo....I would love to see both. "IMO, that a very, politically volatile group is reported to have chaired this session is of more import to me." Um.....I don't know how you got that opinion of them. I have not seen any fights or violance at any of the protests. No arrests. Also the "tea party" people did not invite him. The tea pary caucus invited him. Very different. The tea party is made of private citizens. The tea party caucus is made up of members of congress that want belong to that caucus. There a lot of caucuses you know. So average citizens did not invite him. And the only the people there are congressmen and women...I don't see any of them as being violant. You really are making a mountain out of a mole hill you know.
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
25 Jan 11
lilwonders ... time will not permit me to list all the missives, signed on to petitions, phone calls to have just that "transparency in government" Are we talking about the same "Tea Party" that Rep. Bachmann says she represents in congress, that same "Tea Party" that she inspires to be "armed and dangerous" as they address political issues ... that "Tea Party" that appears at political events armed? The one that states loudly that our President is an imposter, not an American, etc. etc. That one?? If so, I'd say that's a pretty volatile group!! If you allow me to make my mountain out of whatever I choose ... I promise you I'll certainly allow you to do the same!! ;)
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
26 Jan 11
It's really ironic that Justice Scalia along with Thomas and Alito elected to skip the SOTU address because it's "political theater" wen they sure don't seem to mind getting involved in politics other times. It was supposedly perfectly acceptable for Scalia to go duck hunting with the D1ck Cheney right before having to rule on a case involving the V.P. Then there were the closed door fund raisers reportedly attended by one or more of these right-leaning judges shortly before the Citizens United ruling and their close dealings with the Koch brothers. I personally don't see how anyone could consider accepting an invitation from Rep. Michele Bachmann as being politically impartial. Also, if this was supposed to be an educational experience, Scalia better start over with Bachmann since she's under the impression the Founding Fathers got rid of slavery long before the Civil War! Annie
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
26 Jan 11
Wow, Annie ... you just make it so plain and clear!! What a perfect selection those "Tea Party Express" folks made of Rep. Bachmann ... as their spokesperson!! She is totally embarrassing ... imagine, she has no idea what this nation's history is ... none! The Founding Fathers got rid of WHAT??? Geesh, if she ever read the slightest bit of history she'd actually know that our President George Washington brought from VA, to Philadelphia, PA, his slaves!! Many of those, once in Phila. fled for their lives and freedoms! And, let's not mention Thomas Jefferson, surely Sally Hemmings knew how very much he "owned" her!! My, my ... slaves helped build the White House, for free!!! Maybe she just doesn't care, has no real interest in her own country's history ... you know, like Ms. Palin!! Maybe she has no idea that the Civil War was fought or that that horrible war is what ended slavery! "They" just want their country back ... way, way back perhaps before slaves were actually freed!
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
26 Jan 11
Thanks for the BR. It's increasingly clear there are some, mainly on the right, who are trying desperately to rewrite our history. I love my country as much as anyone but I don't believe in covering up the mistakes and the flaws of our founders. These men weren't Gods and I shudder to think what our lives would be like today if we still had to live by every single word that was in the Constitution to begin with. Annie
@laglen (19782)
• United States
25 Jan 11
I posted this same topic almost an hour ago http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2479320.aspx You forgot to mention that there were Democrats present as well as others, and that this is nothing new. Scalia is NOT the first Justice to speak at an event like this. I cited an article in mine which states - The bipartisan Congressional Caucus on the Judicial Branch led by Reps. Judy Biggert, R-Ill., and Adam Schiff, D-Calif., have had nine Supreme Court justices speak to them since 2003. Invitees include conservatives such as Chief Justice John Roberts and Scalia, along with more liberal members such as Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Stephen Breyer. Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/24/supreme-court-justice-schools-tea-party?test=latestnews#ixzz1C3xoa1eO So does your question go to these justices as well?
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
26 Jan 11
The key word there is "bipartisan". Despite the fact there were three Democrats at this class or whatever you call it, it was hardly what could be considered "bipartisan" since it was the Tea Party Caucus headed by possibly the most partisan member of the House, Michele Bachmann. Annie
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@laglen (19782)
• United States
27 Jan 11
It was the Tea Party Caucus' event. They invited Justice Scalia. They opened it for others. How else should they have handled that?
@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
25 Jan 11
It is really good that they have these classes on the Justice system works with Congress. All current upcoming issues were avoided. They have had these particular classes before. From what I read, they had a discussion on the Federalist papers. http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/