Must learn to control mouth...

@dawnald (85135)
Shingle Springs, California
April 26, 2011 1:14pm CST
So last night I got grumpy. I had just gotten on Dearra about leaving her plate in the sink instead of putting it in the dishwasher, and I go back over there, and R has plonked his down in the sink. So I say "g*d damn it", and he looks over and wants to know what's wrong. So I tell him that I'm constantly on the kids not to leave their dishes in the sink, and then he goes and does it, so they think it's OK. Later I play a little piano, and go upstairs to chill with some surveys and a game of Poppit. I get about 2 minutes of chill time, and he comes in all on his high horse, about how I supposedly cussed him out, and how he would have cleaned it up later, and anyway he does so much more around the house, and why don't I sweep and vacuum more, etc. Well this puts my brain in shutdown mode. I feel criticized and attacked, so I kind of get trapped inside my head, and don't know what to say. Something about the whole thing felt wrong though, that's all I can say. He comes back at me all over again, says he wants an apology because I cussed him out. Still feels wrong. Still unable to respond. Can't think. Finally he backs off, and I get a few moments to reflect back on what happened. And I realize, dad gum it, yeah I cussed, but not at him. I wasn't even talking to him when I said it. So I tell him, "I didn't cuss you out." And he says, "yes you did." "Well, no I didn't. I said that when I saw the dish in the sink. I wasn't even talking to you at that point." He acknowledges that I might have a point, and that we're both just too sensitive around each other. And then I tackle the sweeping and vacuuming thing. HE voluntarily took that on years ago because it hurts my back. So I pointed that out, and asked if it had suddenly become a problem, or did he just throw that one out at me because he was upset. Don't think I got a response there... And then I proceeded to list all of the things that I do do around the house. Including laundry, grocery shopping, clothes shopping, school shopping, social stuff, cat boxes, dishes, cooking, paying bills, picking up, getting on the kids for stuff that he doesn't, feeding the animals, etc. etc. Don't think I got a response there either. Anyway, by then it was after 10, and he had shut up and wanted to sleep. I was on the PC chatting, and he wanted me to go downstairs and get on the laptop. So, I, feeling a wee bit b*tchy, said that I had wanted to chill for the last hour, and he had to come upstairs and pick a fight over pretty much nothing. And I ignored him and continued chatting for a while. Eventually I did go downstairs, and stayed up way too late playing Poppit. But I tell you, my evil twin wanted to unplug his alarm clock and his phone, hide his stuff, leave his shoes in front of the door so he'd trip over them, etc. Wow, was I feeling hostile. This weekend, grant me the courage to tell the kids (preferably with him), and start doing things to separate finances, clean out stuff, etc. btw the papers came last week, and we aren't married any more... Meanwhile, must learn to control my mouth around him.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
26 Apr 11
Have you discussed on how to tell the children? actually they probably have a good idea that things are not so good anyway. It is going to be hard and you have my sympathy. I am glad though that you stuck up for yourself and didn't take his crap. I believe that deep down he is scared. He needs to move out and live with his Mom asap whilst negotiations are going on. Dearra can take on the sweeping and vacuuming now that she is bigger. She is old enough to understand that physically you are not able to do it. Now if I had a parrot then he would fly to you with some rum. you can buy your own Pepsi
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Apr 11
Yes, we've discussed how to tell them, we've just avoided doing it. He denies it, but I am sure he is very scared. And yeah, the children can help. He's actually already taught them to use the vacuum, so it's a start. PS I missed my golden opportunity to suggest that he leave last night. But I do have a legal document that says I get to live there, so I have some leverage...
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Apr 11
Why do you think I've been avoiding it so much?
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
26 Apr 11
This is gong to be the hardest part Dawn
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• United States
27 Apr 11
I would have used the papers. I would have said , I am no longer your wife so Don't B!tch at me, and then I would have walked away. I refuse to clean after anyone save myself. So.. the dishes wuld have remained in the sink. so when Ms. D and R wanted a clean dish , I would say , wash your own dishes if you need a clean one!
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• United States
27 Apr 11
Really? See my mom was a fair , nice , loving stay at home mom. I don't remember having many chores. The only one I remember is to clean up my room. I saw how she did everything and said I can't do that! So I don't. one of the main reasons I will never marry is because I don't want to nag to get things done. I either do them myself or I leave it for someone else! I think I would be the worse parent.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
seems fair to me...
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
I hate nagging, but when you have children, if you don't keep on them and back up your threats, they will walk all over you!
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@GardenGerty (157691)
• United States
26 Apr 11
Tense situation all the way around, and people choose to be sensitive. I think he chose first. My SIL and I requested muzzles from my brother this weekend because my sister chooses to be overly sensitive every time she goes down there, and threatens to never come back again. I admit SIL is blunt, but the thing my sister took offense at was nothing. It is just a round and round issue. I need to hush now. Time for my muzzle. SIL says she needs goggles as well as my sister went on about her glaring with beady little eyes. Sister would not get hushed and SIL had just tried to lay down to nap, and been interrupted by the phone twice. I put my sister into the same class as R.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Apr 11
Not sure what the issue is with your sister, but in R's case, it's all about feeling unloved and unappreciated. Which is basically what a divorce is all about. Last night could have been my opportunity to suggest that he move elsewhere. Too bad I didn't think of it...
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@GardenGerty (157691)
• United States
26 Apr 11
Same issue, poor choices all of her life.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Apr 11
reckon so...
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
1 May 11
If it's not ok to cuss someone out at your place...why is it ok for him to come up to where you are chillin' and attack and criticise you??? You are way too controlled. One of you needs to leave and the person who is having primary care of the kids should get the house.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
2 May 11
After responding to this which you wrote about 6 days ago, I was hoping that the next item I saw from you would be that he is gone...I deliberately did not look at newer email alerts just in case. Please don't tell me he is still there???? This is driving a lot of us up the wall Dawny...it must be affecting you too...we know it is and you really need to look after yourself better than this. Seriously!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 May 11
I'm a wus, I hate confrontations, and I am sitting here wondering just why it is that it's so hard to speak up.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 May 11
I guess I am. And that person would be me. Says the little piece of signed, notarized paper...
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@celticeagle (159609)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Apr 11
To be honest I think I would feel cussed out too. I know that isn't what you want to hear but if you see it from his standpoint I would feel cussed out. When he knows you're right he does tend to back away doesn't he? Glad to hear the papers came. I think you have vacation hangover, Still tired from your trip AND, you need that man out of your life! But, You, OBVIOUSLY, have to be the one to push for it! That should be fun.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
Well it's fair, he asks me what my plan is. And I've told him, but no dates, there's the mistake maybe.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
Well I admit I cussed, but that's all you're gonna get. lol Yeah I have to push and I hate pushing,there's part of the problem.
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@celticeagle (159609)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Apr 11
Just being honest, Dearie! I hate it too. Maybe if you get your stuff organized. Just sort of walking over him and maybe even ask him what his plan is, maybe set a date that he's out. No, that would be too easy!
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
26 Apr 11
Is he moving out?
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Apr 11
well (shhh) he doesn't know it yet, but....
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Apr 11
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
26 Apr 11
My lips (and fingers) are well and truly sealed!
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
29 Apr 11
Lol Dawn I am really surprised you did not let the evil twin out I hope that things are getting sorted there It will be hard to tell the Kids but it has to be done at some point
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 May 11
chickened out, but he's been on best behavior for a long time, and wondering whether a roommate situation is an idiot idea or not...
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 Apr 11
ok papers are in time for him to move out I would say. sounds like you do every thing but sweep and vac. well the kids can do that if you cant. and yup I see that he didnt have room to gripe back at you. hmmmmm shut mouth now
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Sure ya can got confidence in ya
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
He does yard work and repair work too, but I imagine with the kids' help I could manage it until the house is sold.
@34momma (13882)
• United States
27 Apr 11
Ok that was a lot to take in all at once. But i for sure here where you are coming from. because there is tention you two are going to feel sensitive around each other, feel picked on. I think you sitting down having that talk is going to really help move things along. So i wish you all the best Dawn!
@34momma (13882)
• United States
27 Apr 11
LOL Ouch... make it s a strong one!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
This weekend maybe (hopefully). Must find helmet...
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• United States
12 Jul 11
that's one of my snapping points too. we don't have a dishwasher,i do them by hand.i actually want them to leave them in the sink (or better yet,wash them themselves)-and they will leave it on the counter,next to the sink.even if the sink is empty. along comes an older cat with no brakes..dishes broken on the floor. i don't even try to control it anymore.i shouldn't have to tell adults 100 times to do something. they're getting cussed out.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Jul 11
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
29 Apr 11
Well, congratulations on the divorce having been taken care of. I really don't think that you need to watch your mouth around him because you would have probably said the same thing that you did if it had been me or any other friend that was in the house when you found the dishes in the sink. Besides that, he really needs to grow up because I really think there are a lot of times that he acts worse than the kids do.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Apr 11
yes, he does sometimes. A friend of mine heard about the time when he told Dearra that the divorce was my fault and asked, "what, is he 12?"
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
1 May 11
It's a little bit funny how a couple can ignore each other during marriage, yet when it's time for the divorce, they become sensitive to each other. And I think it's but natural to come out with an accounting of all the things done in the house by each other. It doesn't sound good, but I think it is needed so as to get to the root of the problem. Or in this case, the failure.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 May 11
It was much more sensitive when we were still trying to make it work. It's almost comfortable most of the time now.
@allknowing (130195)
• India
27 Apr 11
I wish you had started this topic with "btw the papers came last week, and we aren't married any more" as this would create different thoughts as I went through your story!![em]lol[/em. Being so condescending and even getting into a conversation is indeed unique considering you are no more a married couple. What are the conditions that he still lives with you?
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 11
Thanks!
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
the conditions are that neither one of us can afford the house on our own, and until we sell it, we are somewhat stuck with one another...
@allknowing (130195)
• India
28 Apr 11
Now I understand. It is well nigh impossible to ignore each others presence in a situation like this. Please do pick wheat from chaff till such time that you are independent of each other. I truly empathise with you. It is no joke to wade through the rough waters you are in. I have seen your participation here and until you told me I could not detect any of these things. My good wishes are with you.
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@saphrina (31552)
• South Africa
27 Apr 11
Most useful - Teeny weensy hammer
Dawny, we don't have to control anything when ignorant people are around. Now next time, please use this. So much more efficient. Glad to hear this is all done with now.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
hahaha messy and Dearra was in the room, otherwise good idea!
@saphrina (31552)
• South Africa
27 Apr 11
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@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
27 Apr 11
I think to be able to control shooting, one must first be stress free. I realised that often when one is stressed, one tend to make some comment unpleasant to the ears of another. I have been able to keep my mouth under control until today when I keep muttering s*** until my colleague turn and look at me so many times. It is really embarassing. So it is understandable in your situation. I am sure we all understand.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
You are right about that. We say things when stressed that we never would otherwise...
@carolscash (9492)
• United States
27 Apr 11
So how long have you two been living seperate lives and not telling the kids. I believe that my husband and I could do it for ever as he is rarely ever here when I am here. I find that our lives are so different when we were first married. I really don't think about divorcing him, but I can see us living in the same house and not being married. I think that it is time to tell the kids as I am sure that they already know that something is wrong between the two of you. He over reacted to this whole situation and I understand why you feel the way that you do about such a small thing as I fight about stuff all the time like this.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
I filed for divorce last May, so it's been a while. They know we're sleeping separately, and that we were going to counseling, and they sure aren't seeing hugs and kisses, so they know something isn't normal with me and the "roomie"...
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Apr 11
hi Dawn what the heck is he still doing there now you are no longer married? I am not criticizing though as thats not what you need but he is pulling every trick in the book to not leave,does he just intend'to live here as a boarder? I know I know I do not know all the' situation but I hate to see him get into it with you.He needs to let go and start getting the message, this way it seems to me is so hard on your' kids. I know I am not one to give advice as I have npt lived in your shoes at all. I just remember my mom and how she just kept taking it and taking it and my dad,the louse,seemed to know she would no divorce him.So when he did die she blossomed but she could have had more years of happiness had she left him. Yet it must be hard now to break up but remember all the reasons why you have wanted to leave him and now you are free. Anyway know that hatley for one is rooting for you and your children.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
I'm not a pusher, and unless I push, he will stay and stay, I guess. But we'll get there. In my own slow, weird way...
@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
27 Apr 11
So you're officially divorced but haven't told the kids yet? I bet that does make living with each other a bit more difficult. I think I'd feel super awkward.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
Yeah it's weird. Need to get offa my butt finally....
@savypat (20216)
• United States
27 Apr 11
Now that you two are roommates instead of married maybe you need to go to the old standby of posting house rules. I know things will get better when he leaves but until then you might want to really work on a different relationship. Make it very clear that you treat each other more as strangers then past loves. I don't think you would cuss at a roommate would you? What you are asking of each other is at this point very difficult for anyone to do. You also have to remember your children will be watching and you are both setting examples for them. No way around it it's one hard thing to do.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11
Hey, I didn't cuss at him. lol But point taken. I was thinking along same lines as mamalamb, ie same house rules apply as far as cleaning, but maybe that will need to change.
@vandana7 (98999)
• India
27 Apr 11
Dawny All I can say is I wish you peace...and love.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Apr 11