Herman Cain's 999 Plan and what it means to you.

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
October 19, 2011 3:21pm CST
Here's a great calculator that shows how most of us will be paying LESS in taxes under his plan. Don't just rely on what those running against him (or those supporting another candidate) say about the plan. Punch in some numbers, see what the plan will do for (or to) you. Make up you mind based on real facts, not political posturing. http://www.999calculator.net/#.Tp5BF7sTQms.facebook
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• United States
21 Oct 11
The top 1% who, through loopholes, only have to pay 19% in taxes, would love to get it down to 9%. This causes an alarming problem for the impoverished and the middle class, who will have to pay more. OMG. Bachmann was right. There is something devilish about this after all.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Oct 11
Ladybug, did you bother punching in numbers to see what the actual tax would be? Or did you just shrug it off without bothering?
• United States
21 Oct 11
Any FAIR tax plan will have the poor and middle class (who pay zero or get back more than they put in) pay more. That's just a basic fact. But apparently, the definition of FAIR seems to escape most people. Which might be a bit understandable since President Obama obviously does not know what the word means and frequently uses it out of context. I suppose this another word that is getting twisted politically.
• United States
21 Oct 11
What is unfair is someone taking a second trip before everyone had a turn. If you open up your eyes, you will realize that is what the uber wealthy are doing.
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• United States
20 Oct 11
The problem with this logic is that he expects corporations to lower their cost. There is a REAL LIFE example of what would happen if taxes were lowered. Airlines had a tax renewal block by republicans, thus lowering the overall ticket price. However, the airlines just raised their rates to make up for the difference, and just made more money. Another example of this is gas prices, even though the price of oil goes down, the price of gas doesn't go down as low, and always goes up higher than they go down. We consider $3.00 a gallon of gas as cheap, but we should be paying $2.25 to $2.50 a gallon based on the price of oil. But, the market will bare $3.30 a gallon today, and that is what is charged. Do you really think that lowering taxes on this will make corporations lower the actually cost of products? You must have greater faith in corporations than you do in the power of greed in corporate America.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Oct 11
Where are you buying your tickets? Except for when I've had to make flights within a couple of weeks of booking, It's been years since I've paid more than $200-300 for a ticket. If you're flying to high volume destinations you can get tickets for next to nothing. That is because competition between airlines has never been more fierce.
• United States
22 Oct 11
Ted, I hate to tell you this but it is a FACT that they raised their ticket prices when the tax was removed. It isn't hard to prove it because you can see when the tax was lifted, and they just raised the price. This is the problem with Herman Cain's plan, it will only raise taxes on the lower income people, and lower tax on the rich while allowing them to make more money on their investments when corporate profits go up. Trickle down economics says that when corporate America makes money the rest of the economy grows, but since the recession started, corporate America has made record profits, and has record amounts of money on hand, yet the economy hasn't gotten better. Herman Cain's plan would make this even worse.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Oct 11
Blah blah blah.. when reality doesn't match your rhetoric, it's time to recheck your "facts". I'm sure many prices did go up after the tax was removed, but only selective rates, so you can't make a blanket statement about it. Also, it could have been that rates in general did go up temporarily, but have since come down... which means your information may have been correct at one time, but no longer works. I'll agree that Cain's plan isn't perfect, and he even considers the 999 thing just a temporary bridge to "phase 2" which is the Fair Tax. I don't know why he thinks a bridge is needed though, the "Fair Tax" seems to be a good plan on it's own. As far as who should be paying taxes and who shouldn't, pretty much every able bodies person who has an income should be paying taxes. This idea that "fair" means some people pay and some don't just shows how meaningless the word "fair" has become.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
11 Nov 11
I'm sorry I somehow managed to be so late in responding to this discussion, which means most of what can be said already has been! However, I'm still going to put my two cents in... For starters, even if it were true that "most of us will be paying LESS in taxes", which I don't think is accurate since it's dependent upon businesses passing their tax savings onto the consumer, that isn't the only thing that matters to our economy and to the nation in general. I've never seen such "class warfare" used against the working poor before! Heck, the right's biggest hero, Ronald Reagan, was a huge proponent of the Earned Income Credit which is what everyone is really complaining about when they speak or write about lower income earners who actually get back more than they have withheld in Federal Income Taxes. This is usually a temporary situation since the vast majority of those who qualify for the EIC are parents of dependent children. However, it does NOT reward people for having more children since it only gives credit for TWO. (Alright, now I know I'll get the argument that some couples decide to have another baby when one of their kids reaches 18...lol!) This credit goes a long way in keeping WORKING families out of poverty and allowing them to contribute to the economy! It ONLY benefits those who are working since those whose only incomes come from other sources such as welfare, Social Security Disability or SSI are not eligible for the EIC. I know most of those who have already weighed in on this topic will disagree with me but I don't feel that it's more "fair" for me to pay a few bucks less in taxes while many parents of young children have their disposable income drastically cut! Some of you seem to forget businesses NEED lower and middle income earners to be able to buy their goods and services. There aren't enough rich people to go around to consume everything our economy produces! Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Nov 11
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but it isn't so much the fact of the EIC that bothers me, its' the people who get it who complain that others aren't paying anything in taxes. Talk about ungrateful! They get a net gain from taxes which is the antithesis of paying a "fair share".
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Nov 11
Of course you don't, because you are very generous with other people's money. Whatever rate you demand, that is what you should be paying... and you should be willing to do it voluntarily... if you're not a hypocrite or liar.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Nov 11
They still pay other taxes and they still have the right to voice their opinions. I have no problem with them complaining about the wealthiest 1% being protected from having to pay an extra $7 per $1000 they earn OVER a million dollars! Annie
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
24 Oct 11
According to this our sales tax would go down by about 2% which would certainly be nice. Thank you for sharing the link and the information.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Nov 11
Yup, the fact that the percentage may be higher doesn't necessarily mean that prices will be higher.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Nov 11
Actually your sales tax would go UP by 9%! Annie
• United States
20 Oct 11
The non-partisan Tax Policy Institute begs to differ: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/Cain-9-9-9-plan.cfm
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Oct 11
Like most explanations of the 999 plan, Tax Policy Center takes each of the 9s as if they would exist in a vacuum. As if eliminating the taxes paid by each level of distribution wouldn't reduce the price to the retail consumer. Not taking things like that into consideration makes the whole thing look worse than it would be. It's like when the CBO releases a bunch of numbers, but all they had to go on was what Congress was willing to release to them. Then, after the CBO releases those numbers, adding more to the bill, then sending it straight to the White House for signing... but then the proponents continue to use the numbers reported by the CBO, fully knowing that a lot was left out. I'm not saying listen to Cain without question, but I don't see any reason to listen to others without question either.. especially if we already know they aren't including all the facts.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Oct 11
Well, if every producer, distributor and retailer of any given product or service is willing to keep the profits to themselves, then you're right. However, as soon as one takes advantage of the opportunity to undercut the competition, the others will either have to follow suit, or find some marketing strategy to maintain the higher price. What the market will bear is a two edge sword. It finds the highest price the most people in the particular market is willing to pay, but the lowest price the producers, distributors and retailers are willing to accept. Remember, price is not tied to cost of producing and supplying. If the highest the consumers are willing to pay falls below the cost of supplying it, then the producer either has to find a way to lower their cost, find a way to market it at a higher price, or go out of business.
• United States
20 Oct 11
Ted, why would you lower the price of a product when the consumer is used to paying that price, and they are happy with that price? This is known as "what the market will bare", and is what much of the retail world uses this in pricing. Right now Americans are paying $3.30 a gallon for gas when it should be $2.25 to $2.50 a gallon. But, we are still buying gas, so why lower the price?
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@sam3m1 (190)
• United States
19 Oct 11
ted, you're depending on corporations to pass along their savings to their customers? given their past history, let me know how that works out for you.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Oct 11
I'm simply showing the reality of what the 999 plan is about. Run your own numbers, and see what it can do for (or to) you. There is so much crap out there from people who have no idea what the plan is really about. As for whether or not they will pass the savings on... if one does, the rest will have to in order to stay competitive. No business can stay afloat very long charging 22% more than their competition for the same goods or services.
@burrito88 (2774)
• United States
21 Oct 11
Take your last tax return and see what you paid in taxes and see what percentage of your total income it was to see how it compares to 9%. Right now you have the benefit of the standard deductions and exemptions that would go away under Cain's plan. Then try to estimate what a 9% sales tax will do to you income.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Oct 11
Yes, thank you, that's exactly how this information is helpful.