The economy of disease and toilets in Africa

United States
July 2, 2012 3:25pm CST
I use to believe all the crap from World Vision and others about disease and starvation in Africa and the third world until I went myself. The problem is not available food there is plenty of food all around, it is the ability to freeze the food and keep it , it is the availability of available clean shoes and clean clothes and not all of this is the organizations fault who say they are trying to help some are legit. But for the most part cleanliness is a tool of power in Africa and the struggling third world economies and most of their governments are ok with it. In devoliping African countries like Ghana more of and effort is made to provide services such as health care and clean restrooms because it is understood that it will help all. Share your opinion. please Am I right
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
4 Jul 12
I also wondered too why the only people who needed help were all dark skinned and most of them from Africa because that is the photos one saw from the charity organizations. It got so bad, that people started to feel sorry and give money to those countries and yet neglected their own backyard because they did not consider them dark enough for help. Also there is a lot of corruption in those countries and the attitude of the people. I often wondered if it is genetic or whether it is 'we do not need to do anything because someone else will do it for us.: I do think they need clean water, refrigeration, etc. but they should also try to help themselves instead of relying on the help from other nations. Because a time might come - look at the United States and their debt as well as in Europe - when they will have to rely on their own and their governments will have to provide clean water, clothes, etc. instead of having a fancy tv in every room of their palaces.
• United States
5 Jul 12
I have a better appreciation for the structure of help and government here now.
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• United States
5 Jul 12
From what I saw it had to be a concerted effort to keep some in poverty while others got out. When you control open access to things like toilets and a decent ride across town and make it a pyschological mission to achieve those things it certainly has and effect and that is what is happening but its part off their fault to. because if your trying to sell me a product you would spend a little more quality on the presentation and this where those countries like the one I was in falls short and western countries are better at the show and tell game.
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@smacksman (6074)
9 Jul 12
A little research is revealing ... 'Nigeria, Africa’s most populous country, is also the continent’s largest oil producer. In 2005, the country produced 2.6 million barrels of oil per day, 2.3 million of which was exported, making it [b]the sixth largest net exporter in the world[/b] (Energy Information Association [EIA], 2005b; 2006).' The money is there. How it is spent and who gets it is the problem. Many countries in Africa have now been independent about as long as they were, in practice, colonised. 'On January 1, 1901, Nigeria became a British protectorate, part of the British Empire' 'The Federation of Nigeria was granted full independence on the 1st October 1960' So Nigeria was a colony for 59 years and has been independent for 52 years. Blaming the colonial powers for all their evils is wearing thin.
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@Shellyann36 (8919)
• United States
6 Jul 12
I have often wondered about this. I know there are always several organizations asking for money to donate to needy children in third world countries. In the past I have belonged to a few churches that would donate to these causes, often sending missionaries to these countries as well as donations. I would think that in an area where several people lived that it would be hard to keep the drinking water clean and of course without clean water things go down hill from there. Please share more of your experience with us. Was there clean drinking water?
• United States
6 Jul 12
Actually the water where I was cleaner there than many places over here because it comes straight down from the Meru Mountains and is fresh. The village where I stayed filled up on their water everyday and used it for multiple purposes.
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• United States
6 Jul 12
Ahh I see that is good then.
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@petersum (4526)
• United States
2 Jul 12
It is always better to see for yourself. I learned long ago not to believe charities and aid agencies. Any natural emergengy and what do they send? Rice and milk powder! And who eats rice and milk powder? No one! How do you cook rice and milk powder? With no drinkable clean water, no electricity, gas, or wood. When there is a flood, what do they do with the rice and milk powder? Drop it in the sea, of course! When there is an emergency in the USA, do they send rice and milk powder?
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• United States
5 Jul 12
You right petersum the best thing I feel now is to take a small circle like in family that needs help and start there then let your light build
• United States
26 Jul 12
People need to stop being gullible and auto believing what they hear. This can lead to lots of misunderstanding and squandering of wealth. We need to give the poor what they really need.
• United States
4 Jul 12
My friend went to africa with a law suit he had received. He has been married with kids for a few ears now. he lives very well in the country as well. he said those news people are liers and most people there live way better than we do.
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• United States
5 Jul 12
I would say there is a lot of lying and explotation people are trying but that is true in America also its just that we think the people over there are set up to be helpless that is not true also. It comes down to who controls the ways of communication and the avenues of information same here . This is the key.
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• United Arab Emirates
14 Jul 12
Giftsandbagscom, your friend isn't lying and likewise the media too, all I feel is that your friend was an ignorant was saying such, he stayed stuck to a point and handled whatever he went there for. Would like to ask you a question, how shallow do you think is the african man brain? Sourceseeker, am glad you understand it is everywhere and definitely a lot of people in higher positions are the liers and also do all the exploits because of their greed and insecurity. There are places made for the high class people, they are called GRA in Nigeria, it means Government Restricted Area, the lands there are worth over millions and erecting a structure might well cost into Billions of Naira (Nigerian currency) and that is where they stay, it all around the country and sometimes new ones come up but not named GRA but are privately owned and sold to high class people, people who work in government firms and dictate their own income through mischievous ways. There are also other places where the average income people stay public housing and sometimes their own built homes in such environment due to years to saving and living measly, they are the projects here unlike those in the America but. Unlike America it doesn't stop there, there are people who stay in shacks, where it is just a couple of bricks or woods put together not as big as the high class peoples bedroom, this are the slums. So GiftsandBagscom, I am most certain that your friend stayed in the first class place, places for the rich and powerful people stay, where their insecurities is always secured, because no foreigner dare stay in the Slums and Projects of Nigeria, they risk being kidnapped, that is what they are told but they forget an African man brain is twice as big as that of a chimpanzee, so foreigners are canvassed not to stay elsewhere just so they would know the truth or see what is out there. So I guess your friend stayed in Park Drive, Beverly Hills, Los Angeles, that is where could compare to those GRA I mentioned, so not to worry, your friend just wanted to stay safe and he/she did stay safe.
• United States
26 Jul 12
There are always two sides of a country. The rich wonderful area. And the slums, where its disgusting and pitiful.
@SJ112760 (132)
• United States
10 Jul 12
Sourceseeker I've often wondered about this. I see people asking for money to help people out. ButI never give money because I'm not sure if it's a scam it's ashame how some people take advantage of these poor people for personal gain.why can't someone stop Them from telling lies to get money.It is sad and it need to stop
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• United States
10 Jul 12
Yes but there are some people that are legit but what should be looked at is are the organizations trying to make a difference in a small circle are saying they are trying to change the world and asking for large sums. Mostly large sums end up for someones house and they do end up in the hands of the people who need it. But if you go there you will see it is not that far off from growth as the media portrays.
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@shaqziad (655)
• Malaysia
10 Jul 12
Yup, i totally agree. My country is deemed as Third World country, and i'm shocked when i went study oversea and people asked, am i studying there because there's no university back in my country. that is not the reason, there's lots of university. it is just me and my personal choice. people also have bad view of some poor country because of media and press.
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• United States
10 Jul 12
Media and press paint a picture of the world they wish to portray and its in their interest to portray the country where they are apart as superior however in some instances they are correct. The economy organization of the marketing of clweanliness as it goes into making money can not be discounted. with more of an effort in marketing and preparing and filtering African and third world economies can have many of the same results.
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@06MLam (622)
9 Jul 12
I do agree that having good hygiene can help to stop disease from spreading and developing high technology can also help a lot to have secure food and water. However, it will take quite a lot of effort and money to do these starting from zero.
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• United States
9 Jul 12
They are starting far from zero they have alot to work with if me and a group of two friends wanted to start a group to help we could we would use our money to have a good electrical system and land from there we could build anything. Must build a good plumbing system this effects the pyschology to not be able to use the restroom with dignity this were alot of the problems lie. The dignity of how you use the restroom.
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@Hatley (164757)
• Garden Grove, California
8 Jul 12
hi sourceseeker since you saw first hand you have a reallygood idea of how better to help the Africans. I imagine there is not much in the way of refrigerators for the people.that could be something for World Vision and others to work on.Health care and clean restrooms and some education all seem like good ideas to help them much better.I feel you are q uite right.
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• United States
9 Jul 12
Like I said previously , The best approach is to find a small circle to help and build from there dont give to mass organizations the problems are too big for an organization to handle but many working on a small circle have a chance.Refrigaraors and generators can help water filter systems all these technologies could be put to great use.
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@elmiko (6640)
• United States
7 Jul 12
africas a whole continent. of course its not all going to be poor.
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• United States
7 Jul 12
Also what is happening is alot of forces from the east are trying to take over as always maybe Most of Africa may be able to maintain their integrity and not get rolled over. I believe the USA and other western countries should help before the islamist take over.
@freymind (1352)
• Philippines
5 Jul 12
Media blurs everything and not everything that charities or agencies that says they help the poor or needy is really true. To see is to believe as what they say.
• United States
5 Jul 12
Very true even though I was only there for ten days I saw alot but I could still see more.
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@shaggin (36294)
• United States
10 Jul 12
Well that is really something good to hear that they do in fact have plenty of food but it makes it sad that they have no way to store it. I guess if they have enough food though it wouldnt matter anyway they could just throw out leftovers and just eat fresh fruits and vegetables etc. If they dont have healthy clean water though that is a huge problem :(
• United States
10 Jul 12
They have plenty of water they are surrounded by water they need a way to filter the water for the different uses we take for granted here in the states. The government could grant a contract to a major company that could provide a filter system however there must be politics involved.
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@shaggin (36294)
• United States
11 Jul 12
All that is so sad. They probably get very sick because they have to drink unclean water. I hope that something will be done for them there so they can have clean water to drink. Cant they boil the water over a fire to clean the impurities out of it? I drink purified water from bottles because I dont like the rust in my well water.
• United States
12 Jul 12
Initially the water is pretty clean. When it comes out the mountains it is very clean. As clean as nature can be. I think more so the pyschology of not having a toileting /plumbing system to filter waste through and things specifically for keep different things clean and getting water mixed up into different uses causes a problem.
@siekcai (50)
• Indonesia
18 Jul 12
There is still a hope to change Africa. the first thing the government should reform their country from dictator government to democratic government. The second thing try to control birth rate. Third thing trying to improve the education of african people.
• United States
19 Jul 12
All these things may be helpful but there are no guarantees in this new world. America and our democracy had a great luck of time and place. African countries are right in the middle of cherished resources where countries will battle for control. There is gold and oil and countries and organizations are battling for religous control. All of these factors come into play. But your right if the countries started with democracy that would the people hope and then provide services such as water filtering and elctrical grids this may help health care to improve and then of course education can help with all these things. However it would still be an uphill climb because of the forces against them.
• United Arab Emirates
14 Jul 12
Yes it si true Africa is not supposed to be where they are right now, which leaves these question on my mind, Where were they when the whole world was moving forward? Some of these countries don't suffer from such problems because of their amass of crude oil which have helped improved the economy of the country which then bring out some opposure and expectations which are slowly being worked towards, this are the case of Ghana, Nigeria, Egypt, Tunisia and South Africa but unlike EthopIa, which is located in the sub-saharan deserts, there is hardly water and food to go around and the country isn't blessed with any natural resources because of the amount of sandy surroundings. There plants hardly grown and with little to go around how do they get enough if not charitiy organisations. With the sun scorching, how does one get a balance meal that works with your body and allows for growth. This are the cases of some eastern and central african countries too but still their presidently have Mansions in the city, private jet and other luxuries, while the common citizen he governs over don't have enough to eat. Africa's problem is the greed and poor management because the powerful ones cares less about the ordinary mans welfare but of himself.
• United States
19 Jul 12
I agree shynepapin thats is a large part of the problem but also the problems are the forces arrayed against the progress of the countries. The Arab spring is moving into Africa as in Mali and the old traditions are being devalued. As I stated further down yes a democracy and better health care and education will help but it is not a guarantee because of the forces arrayed against them. But Africa can rise. I believe more African Americans like the Zulu nation ran by African Bambatta must get involved. Americans are looked up to across the continent and they can use this prestidge to bring about a technological and spiritual rise that could help bring Africa into a new paradigm and fight off the Arab spring and others who are trying to take over.
@thaMARKER (3094)
• Philippines
12 Jul 12
i havent been there but i saw a documentary show about africa and i cant imagine living like that. i felt like i want to adopt everybody from there especially the children who can no longer walk due to starvation. kids wearing nothing and looks like they havent bathed for years. i hope their president or whoever that can help them build something like a toilet or a mini school or some volunteer to teach the kids.
• United States
12 Jul 12
Dont believe the hype its not that bad. The media would have you believe that. The documentary maybe for people trying to exploit the situation. Anyone with enough resources and determination can paint a picture of what they want you to see the people showing images from Africa are no different.
@bjc66bjc (6745)
• United States
11 Jul 12
Hi Sourceseekers, I visited Moccorro,Casablance a few years ago and I didn't see any of those people they show on the TV,,,not a one..Now I did see children in the street with their hands out be they we clothed as well...Upon visiting some homes there, they were absolutely wonderful...I just did not like the toilets, hated them...thats why I was happy to return to the hotels. All in all the poverty was not obvious...we drove many areas including througg the mountains to the other side....we put 1600 miles on a rental in 7 days...defiantely a memorable trip...
• United States
12 Jul 12
There is exploitation aand priveledge wherever you go. Yes the images on TV for the most part are made up. They are doing it with a business idea not a helping idea thats the way it is. There were very rich people in Tanzania who for the most part take advantage of the situation but there are also those that are legitamate who love the outdoors of the Kilimanjaro and the serengeti and just want to help show people and build a life doing and being where they love and there is nothing wrong with that.
@maximax8 (27334)
• United Kingdom
11 Jul 12
I have visited Tunisia, Kenya, the Seychelles and South Africa. In my home country vacations are easily available to countries like the Gambia and Egypt. Some countries are off the beaten tourist track like Burundi and the Central African Republic. Yes, food is available African countries but in the poor places it is challenging to keep it fresh. In my home country most people have a fridge and a freezer. The people that live in the poor places in Africa live in simple housing without modern conveniences like we have in our homes. Many people can't afford to buy new clothes. Very poor people can get clothes charity parcels from overseas if they are lucky. I am pleased to hear that Ghana is providing better health care and cleaner restrooms. Tourists can bring money to some African countries.
• United States
12 Jul 12
maximax8 you seem to have a good read of the situation and little by little in small circles things can improve.
@cutepenguin (6457)
• Canada
23 Jul 12
This makes a lot of sense to me, actually, because storing food is probably more important than sending more food - there are farms and farmers there, and they have been farming for a long time, so they probably know best how to use their land. But storage - that requires resources that take a long time to develop.
@ersmommy1 (12600)
• United States
17 Jul 12
I have always wondered about this. I suppose it is one of those things you have to see for yourself. People say there are a lot of scams too.You are right, clean water and providing all of these services would be greatly helpful.