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myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible3 years ago

As I understand it, David was supposed to have been the greatest of the kings of Israel. Some time ago I was told that no evidence has ever been found that this man ever lived. Surly if David was the great king that the Bible claims, there has to be some proof outside the Bible. Can someone tell me where I can read about him, or get any proof that he lived? If not how can there be proof for Abraham, Moses and those others who lived long before him?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 93/100. RLFinNash (5721)   ranked 664 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

hello

yes there was a King David in the Bible...i found an article about King David...i hope that you enjoy it...

King David - did you know?

God withdraws his favor from King Saul and sends the prophet Samuel to Jesse, "for I have provided for myself a king among his sons." The choice falls upon David, the youngest son, who is guarding his father's sheep: "He was ruddy, and fine in appearance with handsome features. And the LORD said [to Samuel], 'Anoint him; for this is he.'"

Saul and Jonathan are killed in the battle with the Philistines, and David mourns their death.

Then David goes up to Hebron, where he is anointed king over Judah, while in the north Saul's son Ish-bosheth is king over the tribes of Israel.

War ensues between Ish-bosheth and David, and Ish-bosheth is assassinated. The assassins bring the head of Ish-bosheth to David hoping for reward, but David executes them for their crime.

Yet with the death of the son of Saul the elders of Israel come to Hebron, and David is anointed King of Israel and Judah. Upon these events he is 30 years old.

David conquers the Jebusite fortress of Jerusalem and makes it his capital, "and Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, also carpenters and masons who built David a house."

David brings the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem, intending to build a temple. God, speaking to the prophet Nathan, forbids it, saying the temple must wait for a future generation. But God makes a covenant with David, promising that he will establish the house of David eternally: "Your throne shall be established forever."

Then David establishes a mighty empire, conquering Zobah and Aram (modern Syria), Edom and Moab (roughly modern Jordan), the lands of the Philistines, and much more.

this article came from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Hi RLFinNash, Thank you for this.


myLot reputation of 63/100. nickventere (1072)   ranked 1,219 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Though there was a king David, a wikipedia reference cannot be the basis to prove it.
I believe there was King David because of many things.
For instance, there was King Solomon and evidence of King Solomon being there is available inmany parts of the world. You can even find archaelogical traces of King Solomon and his influences to as far as Ethiopia in east Africa and even, amazingly, Zimbabwe in southern Africa.
You can also know that David existed when you look at the national flag of the State of Israel, for it was his design.


myLot reputation of 93/100. RLFinNash (5721)   ranked 664 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

thanks for the information. hagd.

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2. myLot reputation of 56/100. ucanbeasurvivor (353)   ranked 1,251 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

Yes there was a King David a mighty man of God according to my Bible I read . Not by sight we
receive but by faith we accept .


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Hi ucanbeasurvivor, Thank you for commenting.

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3. myLot reputation of 87/100. lotterylover (4682)   ranked 223 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

I would think that the Jewish records would have something about David in them.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Thank you lotterylover.

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4. myLot reputation of 61/100. luzamper (1334)   ranked 161 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

There are proofs that David existed and lived and history shows that he was king about 1010 B.C. Try searching from the internet or ancient history books. The Bible is complete from Adam up to the Lord Jesus who is the 64th generation and He came from David as Maria came from the family of David.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Thank you for contributing luzamper.

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5. myLot reputation of 21/100. Chiang_Mai_boy (1248)   ranked 516 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

Outside of the Bible there is no evidence that supports the idea that King David ever existed. The Bibles record as a history book is rather iffy so with out something to substantiate it I would have to say his existence is doubtful.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Thank you Chiang_Mai_boy, your opinion is appreciated.

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6. myLot reputation of 93/100. carmelanirel (6313)   ranked 188 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

Grr, can't wait until I can copy and paste. I would give you the direct link but maybe if you searched this site you will find it. The site is aish.com and they have an article on their site about unearthing King David's palace..


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

I've checked out the site, thanks carmelanirel.

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7. myLot reputation of 94/100. ljegbers (5761)   ranked 41 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

I was watching the history channel some months back and there was a sequence on King David, yes, King David did live. As far as more reference material on the great king, I am sorry, I know of not.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Hi ljegbers, thanks for commenting.

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8. myLot reputation of 94/100. vmks31 (7459)   ranked 276 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

Yes there was a King David ......
David (c.1005–970 BCE) (Hebrew:??????, Standard Davíd Tiberian Dawíð; Arabic:????? or????, Dawud; Geez: Dawit; "beloved") was the second king of the united Kingdom of Israel. He is depicted as a righteous king—although not without fault—as well as an acclaimed warrior, musician and poet (he is traditionally credited with the authorship of many of the Psalms). His life and reign, as recorded in the Hebrew Bible's books of Samuel (from I Samuel 16 onwards) and Chronicles, have been of central importance to Jewish and Western culture.

If you want more go to this link .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Thank you vmks31.

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9. myLot reputation of 93/100. easyliving (1541)   ranked 1,238 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

[edit] Archaeology
An inscription found at Tel Dan and dated c.850-835 BCE apparently contains the phrase "House of David" in reference to the royal house of Judah; the Mesha Stele from Moab, and from a similar time, may contain the same phrase; and Kenneth Kitchen has proposed that an inscription of c. 945 BCE by the Egyptian pharoah Shoshenq I mentions "the highlands of David," but this has been questioned.[23] "If the reading of?????? (House of David?) on the Tel Dan stele is correct, ... then we have solid evidence that a 9th-century Aramean king considered the founder of the Judean dynasty to be somebody named???" (David).[24]

The Bronze and Iron Age remains of the City of David[25] were investigated extensively in the 1970s and 1980s under the direction of Yigael Shiloh of Hebrew University. Fieldwork there and elsewhere in Jerusalem failed to discover significant evidence of occupation during the 10th century BCE: not only are there no signs of monumental architecture, but even distinctive 10th century pottery shards are absent.[26] Elsewhere in the territory of biblical Judah and Israel, no royal inscriptions exist from the 10th century BCE, nor evidence of a royal bureaucracy (the equivalents of the LMLK seal[27] attached to oil jars associated with the Judean royal bureaucracy of the late 8th century BCE), nor the inscribed potshards which would provide evidence of widespread literacy. Surveys of surface finds aimed at tracing settlement patterns and population changes have shown that between the 16th and 8th centuries BCE, a period which includes the biblical kingdoms of David and Solomon, the entire population of the hill country of Judah was no more than about 5,000 persons, most of them wandering pastoralists, with the entire urbanised area consisting of about twenty small villages.[28]

While the Tel Dan stele is largely accepted as supporting the historical existence of a Judean royal dynasty tracing its descent from an individual named David, the interpretation of the archeological evidence on the extent and nature of Judah and Jerusalem in the 10th century BCE is a matter of fierce debate. On one hand is the view of Israel Finkelstein of Tel Aviv University, who says, in his The Bible Unearthed (2001): "[O]n the basis of archaeological surveys, Judah remained relatively empty of permanent population, quite isolated and very marginal right up to and past the presumed time of David and Solomon, with no major urban centers and with no pronounced hierarchy of hamlets, villages and towns."[29] On the other is William Dever, in his What Did the Biblical Writers Know and When Did They Know It?,[30] holds that while archaeological investigation of Genesis, Moses and the Exodus "has ... been discarded as a fruitless pursuit", the archaeological and anthropological evidence supports the broad biblical account of a Judean state in the 10th century BCE.[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David

Hope this helps


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Thank you easyliving, this is excellent. I am also checking out some other sites. This is exactly the sort of information I've been seeking. Blessings.

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10. myLot reputation of 94/100. yammydudes (595)   ranked 529 out of 2,236 in the bible   3 years ago

Hi! I found this portion of an article very interesting...
The earliest records of the Israelites were written on papyrus, rather than clay tablets that were used by other cultures at that time. Many of those papyri have been destroyed. The ancient Israelites, while they loom large in our eyes, were a small city state for the most part.
There is little proof of the use of slaves in Egypt or of the Exodus, of the conquering of the Canaanites by the Israelites or of King David’s reign. But absence of proof is not proof of absence. It only takes one find to change that picture.
For example, until 1993 there was no proof of the existence of King David or even of Israel as a nation prior to Solomon. Then in 1993 archeologists found proof of King David's existence outside the Bible. At an ancient mound called Tel Dan, in the north of Israel, words carved into a chunk of basalt were translated as "House of David" and "King of Israel" proving that he was more than just a legend.
http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html
One thing more, the fact that Israel's flag consists of "the star of David", meaning that King David was indeed part of their history...


King David

myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

Hi yammydudes, Very interesting. Thank you.


myLot reputation of 90/100. flowerchilde (6801)   ranked 4 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

...just a note... to me the pyramids are proof of slavery in Egypt!:)
- This was a great discussion! Some great info!


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (5570)   ranked 2 out of 2,236 in the bible  3 years ago

I agree flowerchilde, Thanks.


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 262 out of 2,236 in the bible  1 year ago

The pyramids are not proof of slavery as many of the builders were not slaves, but paid laborers, that worked shifts. And the children of isriel were not slaves to the egyptians. The reason why there is no mention in the Egyptian records of hebrew slaves is becouase they were know in Egypt as the "Amo" it is note worthy to say that the term Isrielites used for themselves was "Children of Isriel" or in the dilect 'Amo Isriel'. They were most likely a worior class also known as he-ba-ru, wich was employed by Egypt to hekp defend their border as a buffer zone. In the egyptian record it says that at one time the 'Amo's' became so many that the Egyptian Pharoh of lower Egypt was frightened by the size of the Amo's and the hebrew Pharoh of upper Egypt, He ordered his army in to disarm the Amo, and required them to be day workers, not 'slaves', and ordered the killing of male children under a certin age to controle the population. Also Moses was not raised by an egyptian pharoh, but by the Hebrew pharoh of Upper Egypt.

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