What if Jesus really does come back?  

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I wish I could say I have paganism in my roots, but all I have is suspicions. When my Great Aunt died my father and I were cleaning out her attic and found some very... interesting antiques. I will maintain to this day she was a closet witch. She had an outlawed copy of Albertus Magnus: Egyption Secretes of Light and Dark Arts.. or something like that. I still have the book and keep it for nostalgic reasons.

My fathers side is Native American, and all growing up I had no idea how accepting of homosexuality the Native Americans were. In fact, they used to believe that homosexuals were blessed... calling them "double spirited". Most of the wisemen or medicine women were chosen because of this quality.

So I was shocked when my Grandmother smiled and hugged me when I told her about my boyfriend. I was not expecting it... but she told me what it means in our heritage and that was when I started to not be ashamed of myself anymore and started to take pride.

Ahh well, I have gone off topic. Wait no I havent... I would want to be with all those Native AMerican heathens than the bible thumpers any day of the week.

Your most welcome Pose, and yes... I know many Christians, and even a FEW Catholics (haha) who are just wonderfull and accepting and open minded... Thats why I put the disclaimer. They are unfortunatly in the minority, though, it seems. Or at least they are the least vocal.

If you really want a chuckle this whole question formed when I read a bumper sticker the other day that said "Jesus is coming! Quick - everybody look busy!"

Then it just snowballed from there.....

..yes it's too bad that so many christians have attitudes which have caused a whole new bias or prejudism (not you! since you put in your disclaimer, and also the above poster) - Christianity is the life of Jesus and the words he spoke. Of course christianity has been around for 2000 years, has been passed through many human hands, and is made up of humans, therefore (it's my strong belief) that it has lost some of its "good news" - AND - has picked up some baggage along the way.
-- If I may, please consider this, and I'll try to be brief - The reason life is as it is, is because thinking ability was endowed (to angel and man) which of course sooner or later includes choice. So that all would take this unavoidable journey and lesson all together, once for all time and eternity, the deity waited a very long (long!) time for the bound-to-occur first rebel thought, to not only occur, but to ripen into outright rebellion, trickery and sedition before he created human beings.. hence the trickery in 'tiny' Eden.. which caused the first parents/humans to choose something other than the deity (who is both Life (itself), and Perfection/Excellence). But as soon as one chooses anything other than what Perfection/Life chooses, they begin the journey away from Perfection/Life. Once one becomes imperfect they cannot reverse their journey and become Perfect, for they are now imperfect. And thus Life's opposite, death, 'came to be'. [Also, as soon as the deity endowed thinking ability a whole new world, or tree, of possibilities 'came to be', thus there was that odd tree out in the garden of Eden, as of course the deity being Perfect, can only be true/honest.]
-- This is why one of the things the bible says is that the Son's coming and overcoming death (for all of us! His checking this journey away from Life) was built right into everything and was decided upon before thinking/'free-will' was even ever endowed. See it's all done. Death has been overcome. Period. (For all of us imperfect humans and angels. 1 Tim 4:10 and Colossians 1:19,20)
-- The point I'm making is, having read the back of the book, the phrase christians put a lot of stock on "those not believing will go to the second death" is only spoken, and heard by the people, only AFTER, they have [1] experienced having been "resurrected" and [2] after a very (very) long day of the examination of all things, and all human history, as to just what happened and just what went wrong.. By my studied calculation, this day of "judgement" will last 500 years..
-- If only those "not believing" will go to the second death, who, after experiencing being resurrected, and witnessing and living through 500 years of the examination of all things, who by then will not "believe"?
-- oh, and "hell" is a grievous mistranslation from the original language, and it should read simply, "the grave"!!
-- A misunderstanding of these things is what makes many christians very persistant, etc as they are taught unless someone/you/whomever does not believe before they die, they will perish, or worse!
-- IF there is a God/deity, he can only be Perfect/Excellent.. else he too would fall apart/die and cease to be.. Seeing as God is Perfect, the 'end' result (of all this and human history, etc) can ONLY BE the best-possible-'end' result! Nothing else is possible. (His 'losing' anyone, is not Perfect, therefor it is not possible.)

P.S. To explain, I say the day of judgment lasts 500 years because the ancient hebrew SPRING holy days perfectly prophesied the first coming of Jesus, therefore (surely) the ancient FALL holy days of Israel perfectly prophecy his second coming and LONG second advent of 1000 years. In the fall holydays, you have trumpets, then 10 days later the day of atonement and 5 days later the celebration of tabernacles.. Now trumpets prophesies his coming (and the "first resurrection") "on the 'LAST' day" (and not before) and is followed by the 1000 year "kingdom" of Jesus where paradise and all things are "made new", then after the 1000 years is the resurrection of "ALL" nonbelievers - so if here the 10-days prophesies the 1000years, then the 5-days between the "day of atonement" and "tabernacles" refers to 500years between the "day of judgment"/examination/(surprise! "atonement") and the coming of God to the earth to "tabernacle"/live with man upon the earth in a now UNbreakable paradise, will be 500years (prophesied by the 5days between holy day 2 and 3, as 10days between holydays 1 and 2 prophesies the 1000years between the "last trump"-et and the "day of atonement/judgement"
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I agree. As human beings, we all have an instant and constant connection with the divine power of the universe simply by virtue of being living organisms.

Thats the core of the problem I have with the church. They place all these blocks between us and the divine power, claiming they are the only means by wich to reach it, when all we have to do is look inside and outside of ourselves - and lo and behold... there it is.

Its all about power, control, and domination... and I hope one day Jesus really does come back and rid this planet of it.

And I am sorry about not answering your question... I did a quick google search for Lee Harris and Stoney Waters... are they musical? I couldnt do too much digging as it was late and my brain was shutting off... maybe I'll go check again while I have a free moment...

Thanks again, friend.

Tee

Well spoke 2aTee!

But if you're waiting for someone to take all the stupid people away you'll be waiting for a mighty long time because this is a polar universe... everything has it's opposite, which is necessary for balance.

The trick is to be able to focus your attention on what you would prefer in your life, rather than on things you don't want. It's the proverbial garden analogy; you water the seeds you want to grow and you don't water the ones you don't want growing. In my garden I rarely even pull any weeds out. I lay down a thick layer of mulch, which provides nutrients for the plant and helps keep the soil moist and rich, while at the same it time doesn't allow the weeds to break through.

Sorry to go on so much about gardening if you're not a gardener, but hey, this is the Garden of Eden we are all living in, and there is something of everything in it (and always will be), you choose what grows in your own corner of the garden with your thoughts, attention and focus.

Ok. Fine. I'll shut up now.

Here's a few links for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ECTUDkprMk
YouTube - Lee Harris channelling Zachary - The Magician Inside You

http://www.youtube.com/wa...
YouTube - Lee Harris - Conscious Creation Seminar, Taos, NM 2007

http://www.youtube.com/wa...
YouTube - Story Waters - Conscious Creation Seminar, Taos, NM 2007

Spring,

I am very excited for you! It will deffinatly be a win/win situation for everyone. I know you woulnd't agree, but with our own personal history we know you have your beliefs, and I have mine... at least we can have peace between us for now.

And peace is exactly what I wish for you :)

Blessed be,
Tee

IF Jesus comes "like a thief in the night" around my place, He's gonna get shot! I live on a Farm in Canada and have a rifle in the closet by the bed.

He wouldn't get shot! No doubt about that!

God bless:)

For once, I would have to agree with Springlady...

But dont worry Bare, your levity is not (and never is) wasted on me.

Plus, I would certainly hope your bullet would not assail him... who then will come and take all his followers away?

Don't sell me short on my shooting. I shot a 300 lb black bear 40 feet from my front door in Aug of 06. I'm a damned good shot even in the Dark! Anything that comes sneaking around my place will get it right between the eyes and I'm Not Just Kidding!

You may have, but there will be no shooting when Christ returns! It will be awesome!

God bless:)

I think we can pretty well assume that spring-lady has scared Jesus off for good.

No, I can't do that! Praise God!

He will come again and I so look forward to that Day!

God bless!:)

No, Spring couldn't scare Jesus off. i imagine he would have a lot to say to her.

Do you plan on Jesus coming back while your still here and breathing? How will all this work? What if he comes back and your gone, then what. Does this mean you will have to come back also, what if you can't make connections and you miss his return, will all be lost. Since you seem to know you don't deserve Heaven where will you go. If you should meet Jesus faced to face and he doesn't recognize you and tells you to push off, where will you turn. How will you get back to where you came from or will you just go somewhere else. These are things you need to work out. Perhaps you should apply for a round trip ticket. If all your plans go awry I will let you come stay with me, all I will be able to guarantee is that you won't have to worry about getting cold.

I don't know when Jesus will come back. No one knows except the Father. He will come at just the perfect time.

If I am still living on this earth when He comes, I will go to Him. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior and have repented of my sins. I am His child and nothing and no one can ever change that.

I'm sure Jesus will have a lot to say to me too, Cyntrow! I eagerly await the Day I see Him face to face! How glorious that Day will be!

God bless you!!:)

I truely hope you are right, friend, and thank you for your kind words. It's so easy to get confussed and conflicted in this world. I respect the fact that religious people can cling to thier ideals as a way of being guided through the storm.

I plan on coming to the same end as they, albeit by a different path. My own.

Thank you so much,
Tee

Watch it Tee, she slipped in good and moral life. This can be dangerous territory, I have a feeling that her idea of a good life and your idea of s good life would have a good chance of conflicting. If he is really all seeing, I am doomed, what about you?

Remember that he is forgiving as well as all seeing.
I believe in Jesus, but I tend to believe it's more of a fable - based in reality and grown through the centuries. Personally I don't think the God that I believe in is any different than the God of the Christians, or the Buddists, or any other. We all believe in a higher being - why cant it be the same one with different names? And as far as churches and organized religion goes - as one point Jesus says somehing along the lines of - You will not find me in any church.
I believe it is enough that I believe in Jesus - and I try to live a good life. I don't place my salvation in Jesus - I take that resposibility on myself. And I cannot reconcile a God that would sacrifice his son for the sins of all mankind with a God that would damn a person for not following a religion that was created hundreds or thousands of years after the death of Jesus.

Schilds, I soooo agree. I do consider myself a christian woman. I follow jesus' teachings. But I will not believe that an athiest who does great works for human kind will go to hell and a Christian who does nothing will go to heaven just because of his beliefs. If I believed that i would hurt in my heart.

What an inspiring and touching message... you no doubt have the true message of Jesus Christ in your heart.

My hat goes off to you, friend, and I certainly hope you are right.

Best regards,
Tee

Those who judge you aren't living a very devout life either. Judgement is reserved for God alone. Your relationship with your God (whatever you should call him) is what is most important.

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Thank you for your message, and I want you to know I hold your dedication to your beliefs in the highest respect.

I wish more people shared your opinion of homosexuality. If that were the case, millions of kids, myself included, would not have gorwn up full of shame and self loathing. I made it out alive... a friend of mine was not so lucky. I fight with him in my heart.

I honestly dont know how homoesxuality could be wrong. I was born with this quality inside me... like I was born with red hair and brown eyes. Whether it was God, Jesus, or whatever... its a part of who I am, and it took a long time for me to accept it. But when I finally did, I finally knew peace.

Thanks again for your sentiments, and I wish you nothing but the best.

Tee

I'd like to put you and Springlady alone in a room together for one hour... just to see what happens....

Nothing will happen as you desire even if you put us in a room for one month.God Almighty will save us because we both believe in Him and we also love Jesus(pbuh)....a chaste son of a chaste lady !!