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myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion4 weeks ago

Is there any need for organized religion? That is a question which more and more people appear to be pondering in today's world. A friend told me recently that he felt religion was a business whereby people are promised a reward in an afterlife. Should religion be about an afterlife, or should it be concerned with this life and leave tomorrow to take care of itself? Is the idea of a God who wants to be worshipped nothing more than a human creation? The great teachers of the past and present all seem to be telling us about the importance of living this life in peace, of treating others the way we would want to be treated, of making this world a better place for everyone. On the other hand, it is our nature to hope for something more when this life is over. There are very few who would not want to see again those we have loved and lost from human sight, but does this mean that we need religion? There are many who say that it is because of religion, that we have law and order in our society, that there would be complete anarchy without it. While I believe that the teachings of Jesus Christ and others have had a great affect on our way of life, there have been times when religion has actually hurt us. I am not saying that we should not believe in God or life after death, that has to be a choice for everyone, but shouldn't we be most concerned with how we live today, how we treat our neighbour today, isn't this moment really the only time we have or will ever have? Please let's have a good discussion here without bashing each other for our beliefs.

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 90/100. heartonfire (1956)   ranked 3,008 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

I have been asking some questions myself, and religion seems to be a way of controling people,by fear ... people are afraid of god,and of what will happen to them after they die.. and it starts to bother me, why should i be afraid of god?he is supposed to be good,and forgiving and peace and harmony...and now he is a punisher?a watcher?a what?... i don't know,religion has so much taken control over people's lifes, and i wonder what we really believe in and why do we believe only what was written in a book 2 000 years ago, and why some of them strongly refuse to accept other theories aswell,or tot try and analyse things a bit.
I recently saw a movie,documentary over religion and it brough a bible's explanation that sounds quite logic to me.. i posted a discussion on it but of course,nobody was interested.. any question or doubt that we have about god is badly seen,and it's a sin..lol.. i rather be a sinner and try to understand what this world and universe is all about,rather than a blindly believer,who chooses to live in ignorance..
i will post the link to the movie here,you can watch it online, it has 3 parts,but just the first one is about religion and i am sure you will be interested in it
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi heartonfire, Thank you for responding, and for you comments which I liked a lot. The movie does makes sense, thank you for posting the link. Blessings.

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2. crazeedood916 (25)   ranked 495 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

Power corrupts and this has never been more true than with many of the organised religions, the Roman Catholic church and it's offspring being the worst example of this.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, but ORGANISED religion is dangerous and wrong.

Organised religion means indoctrinating children in to a belief that they have no defence against. They are given no option to make up their own mind and by the time they have the mental faculties to do so, most already have spent a lifetime buying in to the belief system and/or feel pressured to conform (this is especially true in Christian and Muslim) faiths.

Even IF one of these belief systems happens to be true. Indoctrinating children like this is WRONG, both morally and ethically.

Unfortunately though, the alternatives leave us with very little room to move.

Despite ORGANISED religion being bad, there is nothing wrong with believing in anything you want, so long as it's a choice the individual (and the individual alone) has made, free from influence or coercion (which is exactly what it is to be brought up under a religious faith).
But what does that leave us? By the same token we can't BAN religion.

If only religious organisations stopped pretending they had the answers,and being so stubborn. If we had a society that values questions more than answers, and operated on the basis that we may never have the answer and the journey for it is more important anyway, we would have a more peaceful and enlightened society.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi crazeedood, Thank you for responding, and I enjoyed your comments very much. You have obviously given it much thought. Blessings.


myLot reputation of 89/100. uath13 (2402)   ranked 221 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Thanks, your response left me absolutely NOTHING to say lol. Great response, you nailed it!

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. vicneedscoffee (884)   ranked 1,646 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

People have always been superstitious. People didn't understand how the world worked so they needed to believe that someone was in control, thus the Gods were born. Over time this mythology was morphed into present religions. I think a lot of it was a way to keep people on the right path. "If you don't behave today, you will suffer hereafter" type of deal. Some people need an incentive to do the right thing. I also believe it helped the rulers to claim divine rights. After all, who is going to dethrone a king the Gods chose?

Like anything else religion evolves over time. Take the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) for instance: They all splintered from the same group. The basis of all three are the same, but they went their own ways over time. Rather than embrace their common ground, they fight wars with one another. How did this come about? Because man started interpreting each religion to suit his own agenda. As soon as people seek spiritual guidance they give other power to decide what is right and what is wrong. Power corrupts.

I believe most organized religions are pure business nowadays, myself. Nothing more than snake oil salesmen selling salvation. True spirituality comes from within and is not something you get in a two hour Sunday session. A good person will do the right thing without the threat of eternal damnation. They will also do it everyday not just on Sunday.

Having said that, I also feel religion is necessary. Faith breeds hope. Some people do need an incentive to stay on the straight and narrow. Others need faith to make it through the challenges life throws at us. I just wish people would realize spirituality comes from within, not from a corporation. The world would be a better place.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi vicneedscoffee, Thank you for responding and your well thought out comments. I agree that many of us need faith to face the challenges of life, and most of us need hope. Blessings.

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4. myLot reputation of 66/100. II2aTee (517)   ranked 265 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

This is a very good question and I'm not so sure there is a deffinative answer. I personaly shy away from modern day organized religion because I see it causeing more pain than not. The most recent example is the war in the Middle East. Although political at first glance, anyone with insight can easily see religious differences are at its core. Many Muslims view the war as a war on Islam, which is part of the reason resistance is so fierce.

Personaly, I have never seen a need to declare a religion for myself. Many religious people will say that religion is needed as a moral compass for humaity to follw, however, those same religions often claim ownership over morality. I do not need a religion to know that killing someone is wrong. I dont need a book to tell me that stealing is bad. Anyone with reverance for human life, and a respect for diversity only need search thier feelings to be able to tell right from wrong.

I also think in most relgions, although founded on the betterment of human kind, have warped into institutions where people put all thier faith into having eternal salvation. They focas on getting into heaven more than living good, peacfull lives.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi Tee, Thank you for responding and for your usual common sense approach to the subject. It is a difficult question and I suppose comes down to the fast that we are all different. Blessings.

 
5. myLot reputation of 95/100. Mirita (1045)   ranked 1,213 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

Well, to me Christianity is the most beautiful religion there is if we really apply all the principles and teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. Most people wish to believe that there is something beyond our physical world,and religion gives hope and brings unity among people. On the other hand, some people misunderstand the real meaning of Christianity and behave in an irrational way,and instead of unity they create anger and separation. Going to church doesn't make you better since everything depends on who we are as individuals. Sister Theresa was extraordinary because of who she was as a person and she demonstrated how a real christian should behave.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi Mirita, Thank you for responding. Your comments are appreciated. Blessings.

 
6. myLot reputation of 85/100. Elixiress (2443)   ranked 1,614 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

I personally do not see the point in religion, it just separates people into groups and we have enough groups as it is. And like all groups there are rivalries and these can result in fighting and war, which is not pleasant for anyone. I see religion as a safety blanket, because if someone fears death they turn to religion and believe in this great place called heaven. If someone is not sure what to do in a situation then they turn to God as they do not feel safe enough making a decision themselves.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi Elixiress, Thank you for your comments. I agree with you that organized religion separates people and leads to rivalries and war, and this is the problem. People will always have the choice to believe or disbelieve when it comes to life after death and no one should have an issue with that, as long as no one feels that they have to change another. I would like to see religions unite and work to rid this world of the problems that confront us, and leave the future to take care of itself. Blessings.

 
7. myLot reputation of 94/100. danishcanadian (13735)   ranked 1,653 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

Sadly I think that one of the main reasons why religion seems to be "organized" is because so called religious authorities wish to exert control over people. I once had some Mormons try to convert me, and I once had a Presbyterian minister tell me that my Mormon husband (not one of the ones who tried to covert me, and he never will either!) belonged to a religion that was heretical. As far as I am concerned religious authories can climb the highest tree in the world ad stay up there.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi danishcanadian, Very good response. Thank you.

 
8. change1life (48)   ranked 2,272 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

I believe that religion is the reason so many people do not turn to Jesus for salvation and why so many people refuse to go to church. I believe everyone wants to know a God that loves you in spite of everything. I believe that there is ONE God and He isn't sitting up in heaven waiting to beat us over the head when we mess up. My definition of religion is totally different than my definition of christianity. Religion is alot of traditions and rules that man has come up with for the church. Things like you can't be a member of this church unless you dress a certain way, or don't smoke or drink, etc... you get what I'm saying. Being a christian is about doing the right thing. Treating all people with kindness, helping those who cannot help them selves, showing people, through example, that you can get out of your messes. Jesus came for the poor, and that doesn't just mean financially. He came for the poor in spirit, to show them that they can have a good life here and now, they don't have to wait until they get to heaven. I have learned from my own personal experience that when I do what the bible says and let God handle the hard stuff I can walk in peace knowing that everything is going to be alright. God wants to love and bless us while we are here not just when we get to heaven. I go to a non demoninational church where we are taught the truth of the Word of God. We do not have committees and groups that make up a bunch of rules and tell us how we are expected to live if we go to that church. Our pastor tells the congregation to come as you are, God cleans the fish after He catches them. We as christians are not perfect, but we are forgiven and when you call yourself a christian you have the job of being Jesus to those who don't know Him. You can't act like the rest of the world and expect people to want what you have, you have to live by example. People will see the fruit coming forth and want to know how they can have the good life here on earth, and by the good life I don't mean a whole bunch of money and stuff. What I mean is things like peace, joy, the comfort of knowing that no matter what the circumstances look like, everything will work out. I believe if more people would walk in love, realizing that as human beings we all have faults, then we could all get along much better and overlook the small stuff more easily. People are people and we have to be around them every day. I hope I didn't babble to much, I just know that letting God into my life has changed it and religion doesn't have a whole lot to do with it. God bless!


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi change1life, Thank you for a really great response. Your church sounds like a place I might like to visit.You pushed a lot of the right buttons for me. Blessings.


change1life (48)   ranked 2,272 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

I am glad I could help. I just want people to know that church can be fun. I am happier now than I have ever been and I am not afraid to share that with others. You can visit the church website at www.lcci.us and watch the service via the internet. Check it out, it is church unusual and we have a great time. We have an AWESOME praise and worship team. Let me know what you think. It changed my life. God bless!

 
9. pujiku (11)   ranked 4,155 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

religion is something like food, water, and air. you cann't life without them. Religion is believing for god and our self. we need something to control our brain and heart.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi pujiku, Thank you for for comment. Blessings.

 
10. myLot reputation of 86/100. justinus (215)   ranked 2,129 out of 7,011 in religion   4 weeks ago

Hello, AGREED! Christ didn't make religion but taught a good HABITUAL for peoples, pls review John Lenon's lyric in IMAGINE:" ...if there was no country/and no religion too/etc...." I quoted at my early post here at my Lot and got much opponents .... I think John's is really, really pure and christian ... ceer!!!


myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3026)   ranked 8 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

Hi justinus, Thank you for commenting and you're right Christ didn't start a religion. Jesus Christ was not a Christian! Blessings.


myLot reputation of 86/100. justinus (215)   ranked 2,129 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

You are very well come. I saw religions much be exploited as politics mixed to business etc... although they don't realize or don't aware of it ... see you!


myLot reputation of 66/100. Harley009 (367)   ranked 717 out of 7,011 in religion  4 weeks ago

USA is not a nation, they made some boarders to Canada and Mexico to identify the limits and set some rules for the well fare of people, and some leaders to manage it:D

 
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